Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Blake Griffin Slam Dunks: NBA Jam Style

Washington Nationals: The "Sign Yu Darvish" Movement. "Sign ダルビッシュ有!"

• If Yu Darvish is leaving Japan this year, after his seventh season pitching for the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters, the 25-year-old right-hander couldn't have picked a better time to cross over to the majors. Though there was some speculation (from NPB Tracker's sources) that Darvish "is still undecided" about making the jump to Major League Baseball there was an article earlier this weekend in the Mainichi Shimbun 毎日新聞, or The Mainichi Daily News which wikipedia tells me, "... is one of the major newspapers in Japan," which quotes Nippon Ham Fighters' owner Hiroji Okoso discussing his, "readiness to respect Yu Darvish's decision if the ace wants to pitch in the major leagues in the near future."

The owner notes that it isn't something he can discuss while the season's still going, but the reporter notes that, "An increasing number of major league scouts are in Japan to follow the 25-year-old right-hander this year." The NBP Tracker writer's sources suggested that it might be the team rather than Darvish that want, "... to post their ace, wanting to cash in on an obvious payday, while Darvish himself is still undecided."

Star-divide

The 6'5'', 175 lb right-hander set a career high in wins when he earned his 17th win of 2011 with an eight-inning, 12 K outing last week. Darvish is now (17-5) in 27 starts, with nine complete games, five shutouts, and a career high 261 K's (10.53 K/9) in a career-high 223 IP in which he's walked just 35 (1.41 BB/9). Darvish leads the Japanese Pacific League in IP, K's (by 31 K's), has the second-lowest ERA and the second-most wins.

MLBTraderumors.com listed seven teams who are said to have interest in pursuing Darvish should he become available for teams to bid on through the "posting" process which has teams submit bids for the rights to negotiate contracts with Japanese Professional Baseball players who aren't yet free agents. USA Today writer Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) reported on Twitter that, "Rival teams are predicting that the #Rangers will be the winners in the Darvish derby, with every scout predicting stardom." 

MLB.com writer Gregor Chisolm spoke to Toronto Blue Jays' GM Alex Anthopolous about a scouting trip to Japan for an article entitled, "Anthopoulos scouts Darvish in Japan", in which the Jays' general manager spoke openly about the reason he traveled to Japan on a fact-finding mission, "'But there's no question, he's the reason that I went. I can sit here and [joke], say I went there to experience the culture, or build relationships. But if he hadn't pitched I wouldn't have gone, at least not in 2011.'"

Anthopolous also provides interesting thoughts the GM's side, in trying to explain how a team goes about deciding to get into the sure-to-be-expensive posting process: 

"'You just have to come up with a value, like we do with everything,' Anthopoulos said of the posting process. 'You take the emotion out of it, you come up with what you're willing to spend on a player.

"'That's how you come up with your math. How much would you pay in salary? How much would you pay in a post? You combine that, but that's the commitment the club is going to make.'"

As Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore reported last winter the, "Nationals scouts have seen Darvish pitch in person at least nine times, including several games in Japan." This past July, MLB.com's Bill Ladson wrote about the Nats' continued interest in Darvish. ESPN.com's Buster Olney, a few weeks back in an article entitled, "Last-minute deals have postseason impact", quoted a "high-ranked official" who said he or she was sure that Yu Darvish would join an MLB team next year. "'He's coming [to the U.S.],'" Mr. Olney quoted the official stating, "'And he's going to be expensive.'" 

Last season NPB Tracker's Patrick Newman wrote about reports from Japanese papers which said the Arizona Diamondbacks were willing to spend as much $80 million on Darvish, with $25M of that just going to the "posting" fee. Why all the interest in Darvish? A "former MLB hitter" quoted in an article by Asahi.com's Rob Smaal entitled, "NPB/ Get ready for an MLB arms race", attempted to explain the interest: 

"He's got a fastball, cutter, changeup and curve, and they're all good," says one former MLB hitter who has faced Darvish in interleague play here. "He throws hard, 95 (mph, 153 kph). He's a legitimate MLB pitcher and he'd be the No. 1 starter on a lot of teams."

Will D.C. GM Mike Rizzo shock the baseball world again and outbid the big spenders around the league? If they are interested, you likely won't hear much about if from Rizzo's "leak-proof" front office as Washington Post writer Thomas Boswell reiterated this weekend, writing, in an article entitled, "What the Washington Nationals can learn from the Philadelphia Phillies’ mistakes", that it's been the case, "Ever since he got the GM job,":

"Rizzo’s trademark has been the shock announcement. Nobody knew he was in the hunt for Aroldis Chapman (near miss) or [Jayson] Werth until those deals were done."

Rizzo also signed Yunesky Maya, a highly-regarded international free agent who is currently serving as a cautionary tale about how stats outside major league baseball translate to the MLB game. It's a thin free agent pitching market this winter, with C.J. Wilson standing out above the rest as the most-discussed option for teams willing to pay for an "elite-level" arm. Could Yu Darvish fit the need the Nationals have for a front-end starter to pitch alongside Stephen Strasburg and Jordan Zimmermann, or is it too big a risk?

• Not Convinced? Have another look at Yu Darvish: 

 • via coke750101 on the YouTube.

Comment 38 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

If Yu is as good as he sounds,

I really hope we sign him. I am willing to try.

by Danyon Rome on Oct 9, 2011 6:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yu is overrated

Yu Darvish is at best a minor league contract reclaimation project.

Talk to scouts before you regurgitate NPB propaganda.

His fastball is 91-93. It’s straight with no life.

Even your own video shows that. The gun never exceeds 150km (93 mph) and is usually well below that.

His slider has an average break but he can never control it. He’s as likely to yank it outside as he is to yank it in the dirt (and he can’t throw it for strikes). No MLB player will offer to it if the pitcher can’t control it.

His curveball is a tumbler and has almost no break. Yes, he can throw it for strikes but it’ll be crushed in the MLB.

And worst of all: Yu Darvish is a racist.

Worse than that: Yu Darvish is a racist PRIMADONA

Save $100 million and spend it on a proven FA or develop out of the farm with a kid who doesn’t have a racial superiority complex.

by Rickart on Oct 12, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Not Convinced? Have another look at Yu Darvish"

I watched the video.

Many scouts have watched his games in person with their instrumentation.

Nobody’s going to ask you to do any serious scouting like collegiate player development, personal negotiations or digital analyses.

But at least have the decency to stop PRETENDING that putting up this video proves your point…

…especially when it proves the EXACT OPPOSITE.

by Rickart on Oct 12, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, you're so sure of yourself my opinion's changed...

And I have read other scouts opinions, most of which disagree with your assessment. But that’s the great thing about the internet, the ability to claim whatever you want, shout it like you’re an expert and say "Case closed." thanks for your input.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Oct 12, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You tell 'em Patrick

I’m in your corner with this one. and I disagree with his assessment as well.

by natexpo on Oct 13, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be interested in seeing you provide some evidence

of Darvish being a racist. He’s of mixed parentage (Iranian father, Japanese mother) and has received racist mail, taunts, etc., but, in an admittedly quick search, I haven’t found anything saying he is in turn a racist.

Wait! He's half-Iranian?!?!

He's a terrorist posing as a pitcher in order to sneak into the US and throw a

shuuto into the Capitol!!! ALERT DHS!)

(P.S. Thanks again, guys, for pointing out the sarcasm font)

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Oct 12, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seem to remember reading speculation

that the Lerners wanted to build a winner before Ted Lerner passed on. Which leads me to believe that they might throw a ton of money to sign Darvish or CJ. I’m just not sure that it will happen… There is that scary idea that you blow over 100M for a 5th starter. He looks amazing, but not that many players from the Japanese players come over and be stars.

by Hotpockets on Oct 9, 2011 7:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Spending 100m on someone who has no major league track record is nuts.

Let’s start a sign Wilson thread.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents. As are we all."
---Malachi Constant

by The Herndon Kid on Oct 9, 2011 9:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agree

Too much risk.

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Oct 9, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look up Dice-K's highlight reel in Japan on youtube

It’s like the exact same thing. Plus Yu has been abused just as much if not more than Matsuzaka and he’s still 25. I’d proceed with caution here.

Whats the frequency, Kenneth?

by ZimforPrez on Oct 9, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dice K isn't as good... I hope the formatting isn't screwed up...

1999 18 Seibu Lions 16 5 0 2.60 25 180.0 151
2000 19 Seibu Lions 14 7 0 3.97 27 167.6 144
2001 20 Seibu Lions 15 15 0 3.60 33 240.3 214
2002 21 Seibu Lions 6 2 0 3.68 14 73.3 78
2003 22 Seibu Lions 16 7 0 2.83 29 194.0 215
2004 23 Seibu Lions 10 6 0 2.90 23 146.0 127
2005 24 Seibu Lions 14 13 0 2.30 28 215.0 226
2006 25 Seibu Lions 17 5 0 2.13 25 186.1 200

by Hotpockets on Oct 9, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Darvish

Year Age Team W L SV ERA G IP SO
2005 18 Ham Fighters 5 5 0 3.53 14 94.1 52
2006 19 Ham Fighters 12 5 0 2.89 25 149.2 115
2007 20 Ham Fighters 15 5 0 1.82 26 207.2 210
2008 21 Ham Fighters 16 4 0 1.88 25 200.2 208
2009 22 Ham Fighters 15 5 0 1.73 23 182.0 167
2010 23 Ham Fighters 12 8 0 1.78 26 202.0 222

by Hotpockets on Oct 9, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

boo formatting

Basically the point is is that if you compare ages Darvish looks better… that of course is ERA and I couldn’t find a ton of the stats because then the chart doesn’t fit in the box… Darvish seems to be better if you compare ages BUT who knows…

by Hotpockets on Oct 9, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that $100 million for Wilson would be wise either.

Honestly, while I don’t dislike either player, I’m more than willing to fight against my Redskin nature and just go with what we already have. I am more than fine with our current rotation, and Peacock and Milone have yet to even crack the real rotation. When that happens, it will make us even more young and talented(not to mention cheap). Save the money, or, at least, spend it on a more dynamic and proven player. I’m not saying that there is one in this FA(Pujols and Fielder are out of the realm of possibility for us), but the time will come for when we need to use it.
We should start an extend Zimmerman thread!

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Oct 9, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

One advantage for Yu...

We wouldn’t lose our 1st rd pick

by feichan on Oct 9, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

They finished 15th right? So isn't the pick protected anyway?

Think 1-15 is protected, 16 and up unprotected.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Oct 9, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

No we are 16th

Cleveland is 15th at 80-82, we technically have a better win percentage at 80-81… So no protected pick for us this year.

by feichan on Oct 9, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, couldn't resolve that last night as I said, thought they finished outside...

…Top 15, but all the standing showed them ahead of Cleveland and my sleep-addled brain couldn’t figure out why in 3 seconds so I moved on.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Oct 9, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, not questioning you in particular, just meant to look this up when writing article...

But at 4:00 am-ish I crashed and forgot to add that note in at the end of the story.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Oct 9, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I didnt take it that way

Sorry if I sounded defensive, the Internets are terrible for conveying tone, I was just trying to be helpful…

by feichan on Oct 9, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is Fielder out of the realm of possibility?

They can easily afford him…?

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Oct 9, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few reasons.

1.) He will have many suitors. Many of whom would love to throw huge numbers at him. He will be paid much more than he is worth, and Rizzo might want to commit that money to other areas, such as extending current players and trading-signing an Ace. Not to mention that there will be an Ace out on the market next year that Rizzo offered great prospects to the Royals to get.

2.)The type of player he is. He is a power bat, who will have to be signed well into the years in which he will decline at a much faster rate than an athletic player. He plays poor defense, and his D will only get worse. It’s not like we can DH him.

3.) He plays a position that our breakout player plays. Mose is not a good left fielder; he must be put at first base to get the most value out of him and to keep room available in the out field for Harper(not as big of a reason right now, though).

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Oct 9, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well normally, I think this would be out of our reach

But if you look around the league today, there aren’t really as many teams that could use Fielder as you would think. There are a few teams in the AL that seem like a nice fit for him, like Tampa and Toronto. But both Friedman and AA have come out and said that they’re not going to pursue him. The only fit in the AL thats left is the Rangers and obviously they can do just fine without Fielder.

In the NL, the few teams that are a fit are all financially strapped. Yeah the Cubs really want him but with all those big contracts already on their roster, are they really going to go after him that hard? Same situation but even worse in LA. It’s just no one is looking to throw huge numbers at him so I feel like he’s going to end up signing late in the offseason, and for alot less than he originally planned. Unless one GM goes out on a limb and we all know Rizzo is capable of doing that. So I would say our odds of signing him are at par with every other team in the league. Because everyone has there reasons NOT to sign him

Whats the frequency, Kenneth?

by ZimforPrez on Oct 9, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say

the Nationals are singularly suited to sign Fielder, which is why I keep mentioning his name. The reasons for this are just as you put it, and the Nats’ greatest need (whether they choose to admit it or not) is their generally poor offense.

If, by chance, Fielder is signed for six years, I’d put money on him having a batter 2017 than Werth. He’s much younger, after all, and he’s not JUST a power hitter. He’s got a good eye and his SO numbers are not terrible.

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Oct 9, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think 6 years gets him

I bet at least 8.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Oct 10, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he will have many more suitors than that.

He is Prince Fielder, and his name is as big as it will ever be. That said, we can still benefit more by not signing him in the long term than we can by throwing $140-160 million on him.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Oct 10, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

My point is, thats what every team is saying

Nobody wants to be THAT team that is forced to go out to 6 or 7 years. It’s because the teams that usually can afford to make mistakes on the open market all have no need for Fielder. So that leaves a bunch of financially strapped and small market teams playing chicken to see who’s gonna want the 280 pounder when he’s 34 years old. I shouldn’t have said he won’t get the contract he wants, because odds are someone will go out there. But still, its pretty likely that everyone offers something within the 3-5 year range and he settles for that

Whats the frequency, Kenneth?

by ZimforPrez on Oct 10, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Posting and Hisashi Iwakuma

Hisashi Iwakuma posted last year. The Athletics won the right to negotiate with him for a reported $19.1MM posting fee. Iwakuma and the Athletics could not come to terms on a contract in the thirty day negotiating period They got there posting fee back. So a $25 million posting fee for Darvish is possible. However, it is still possible that a deal can’t be done and he stays in Japan.

Thirty year old, Hisashi Iwakuma will be an international free agent this year and is interested in playing in MLB. I have not see much which teams will be interested him.

by HG_VA on Oct 9, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Wasn't the posting fee for dice K like 50M?

I assume Darvish is going to be 75M or something absurd…

too many teams are interested…

Everyone needs top of the rotation pitching… It is a heck of a risk, but if it works out you are golden…

by Hotpockets on Oct 9, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

$51m

Plus another $50m in salary.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents. As are we all."
---Malachi Constant

by The Herndon Kid on Oct 9, 2011 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I really don't like this posting system at all

But it might be because I don’t fully understand it. But say there’s a team like the Rays who don’t even want Yu, and they know the Yankees and Blue Jays are in on him. So they could just offer some absurd amount in the posting fee and then once they win, not even negotiate with him and let him go back to Japan while getting all their money back. Is this possible? Or is there some sort of rule preventing this?

Whats the frequency, Kenneth?

by ZimforPrez on Oct 9, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Rule

As far as I know there is no rule to stop a team from offering a high fee and a low salary.
They can negotiate with the player for a period up to 30 days. Hisashi Iwakuma’s agent claimed they offer him less than he would make in Japan. According to wikipedia, Hisashi Iwakuma seems to be the exception. Most get contracts (some are only minor league contracts) or no bids. Only thirteen players have used the system.

by HG_VA on Oct 9, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ham What?

Ham Fighters? Unique name. Wonder what their mascot looks like.

by TeaJay DC on Oct 9, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Nippon Ham - Fighters...just for the record.

Though I definitely like Ham Fighters better.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Oct 9, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would pay money to watch that fight.

"If you ain't got the pants, you ain't got a chance." --PerryMason (on the sartorial component of being a Real Ballplayer)

by Doghouse on Oct 9, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

In case anyone is wondering where I stand...

Yu DARVISH, YU Darvish, YU DARVISH…YES!

"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011

by MissB on Oct 10, 2011 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

supply and demand

As always when elite players are in short supply the inevitable happens. An relatively unknown international player gets over hyped and their value is artificially inflated by teams and owners that “must have” a front of the rotation starter and are white with the fear of not getting what they need. Never mind the shrewd Japanese owner rubbing his hands together with an evil grin on the other side of the equation. A silent auction for an unproven Japanese player who historically have not been able to translate their skills at an MLB level is a huge gamble. In saying that Darvish could be a #3 or #4 starter and should be valued accordingly. To pay $100 million is ludicrous but when you don’t know what the others are bidding that will inevitably raise everyones bids. I hope Toronto is in on this player but at a reasonable price !

by Budyzer13 on Oct 15, 2011 10:50 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation's blog about the Washington Nationals. Federalbaseball.com Trying To Make Every Fan A Nationals' Fan.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Cat_coons_small
***Pick6!!!>>>'''PLAY NOW'''<<<Pick6!!!***
Bugs-bunny-baseball_small
New GuessEm Rankings (5/24)

Recent FanPosts

45859-188-008f_small
Why don't more players -- and teams -- do vision training?
Marion2_small
Odd Baseball Question
Joker460_1__small
Philly-Tears Milkshake Brings This Boy Back to The Yahd!
Small
No excuses... too many men left on base
Small
Speed Camera on I-395 in DC coming from VA
Small
Harper HR Poll
Photo-1_small
A few takes, and some queries, from a neophyte
Small
The Gathering Storm

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

GAMETHREAD SPONSOR

Masn_medium

Yahoo_full_count

Ministry of Peace

Rizzo__kasten_and_chigliak_small Patrick Reddington

Ministry of Truth: Records Department (Editor)

Ws1_small Winston Smith

Ministry of Plenty

Teddy_clip_small Doghouse

Shadedlogo_small Dave at District Sports Page

Youppi_040618_mon_a_small bluelineswinger

Small d_c_guy

Adam_o_small jeff550

Imag0320_small SaratogaCountySports