Wire Taps: Washington Nationals Rumor Roundup. GM Meetings Edition.
• Monday 12:00 pm EST: FOXSports.com's Jon Morosi had the Washington Nationals on a list of six teams along with the Yankees, Angels, Blue Jays, Marlins and Rangers that his sources tell him, "... have already expressed interest in [C.J.] Wilson," this morning in an article entitled, "Execs forecasting five-year deal for C.J. Wilson -- maybe six." The FOXSports.com reporter also mentioned that he was hearing that the soon-to-turn-31-year-old left-hander was expecting to find a five or six-year deal on the FA market this winter after two straight trips to the World Series with the Texas Rangers who drafted Wilson in the 5th Round of the 2001 Draft.
• 2:00 pm EST: ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick (@JCrasnick) wrote much the same on the Twitter this afternoon, first noting that, "C.J. Wilson & Roy Oswalt have the same agent, Bob Garber," and then writing that the, "#Nationals & #Rangers among the clubs likely to talk to him about both." According to the SI.com writer, "Several teams already showing willingness to go to 5 years on Wilson. In the end, a guaranteed 6th year could be a tiebreaker." MLB.com's Bill Ladson's sources are telling him, "Washington's top priority is to sign free-agent right-hander Roy Oswalt," as he wrote this afternoon in an article entitled, "Rizzo expected to be busy at GM Meetings", in which he quotes Jayson Werth endorsing the idea of signing the 34-year-old right-hander who spent the last season in the Phillies' rotation, struggling with back issues on the way to posting a 3.69 ERA, 3.44 FIP, 6.02 K/9 and 2.14 BB/9 in 23 starts and 139.0 IP.
FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal reported last week sources were tellling him that, "The Nationals plan a major push for free-agent right-hander Roy Oswalt, viewing him as the perfect veteran complement," to the young pitchers already in the rotation. The bow-tied FOXSports.com reporter also reported, in an article before the Phillies' deal with Ryan Madson fell apart entitled, "Phillies again talking to Papelbon", that if the deal with Philadelphia and Madson broke down, the Nats, "... could jump more seriously into the bidding." Both FOXSports.com's Mr. Rosenthal and SI.com's Jon Heyman cited sources who told them that Jayson Werth had talked to Madson about joining him in the nation's capital.
Werth told Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore in a Nationals Journal post last week entitled, "Jayson Werth had ‘a conversation’ with Phillies closer Ryan Madson about the Nationals", that he had talked to his former teammate, but, "... dismissed the notion that he was actively 'recruiting" Madson to join the Nationals,'" telling the WaPost reporter that they'd simply talked about the direction Washington's headed. Madson reportedly had agree to a 4-year/$44M dollar deal with Philadelphia before he didn't. Why the Nats would spend that sort of money on back-of-the-bullpen arm with Tyler Clippard and Drew Storen under contract is unclear? Unless, as the WaPost writer suggests, the Nationals were to deal one of their relievers.
• 3:00 pm EST: One 2011 Nat who doesn't seem likely to come back is catcher Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez. SI.com's Jon Heyman wrote on the Twitter this afternoon (@SI_JonHeyman): "my neighbor pudge rodriguez, 40 in 2 weeks, will play in '12. possible teams: minn, stl, phil, tor, balt, lad & marlins." The last comment from the Nats, who signed the future Hall of Fame catcher to a two-year/$6M dollar deal in December of 2009, came from D.C. GM Mike Rizzo, who told reporters in a recent press conference that the team hadn't spoken to Rodriguez or his fellow veteran free agent Livan Hernandez, "... since early in the offseason. They wanted to step away from it for a period of time. I think when we figure out what we're doing as far as an organization. When we get a manager, when our coaching staff is on board, we'll discuss it with them and see which direction we want to go, not only with those two, but with the rest of the ballclub and how to construct the roster."
• Tuesday 1:00 am EST: Both FOXSports,com's Jon Morosi on Twitter and Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore in the Nationals Journal reported early Tuesday morning that Washington Nationals' GM Mike Rizzo met with Bob Garber, the agent for both right-hander Roy Oswalt and C.J. Wilson.
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Interesting that no one has us talking to Buerle.
I think Oswalt on a one year works, but otherwise doesn’t make sense given his recent injury history.
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by The Herndon Kid on Nov 15, 2011 7:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree that taking on Oswalt doesn't make sense past one year.
But this really stumps me:
Both FOXSports.com’s Mr. Rosenthal and SI.com’s Jon Heyman cited sources who told them that Jayson Werth had talked to Madson about joining him in the nation’s capital.
Why in the world would we want Madson when we’ve got one of the finest young closers in the league in Drew Storen??
I actually think Oswalt makes more sense
Sure Oswalt has some injury history, but I think he gives you a higher cieling for 23 or so starts than Buerhle does. The Nats do have arms to pitch the starts to replace him in Milone, Detwiler, and Peacock. He also provides an “ace” attitude from his experience at Houston.
I am torn, I want a quality starter, but I also want some room for some of these young pitchers to continue to get starts.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
I also like Oswalt better… maybe just because I’ve seen more of him. I wasn’t all that impressed with Wilson in the little bit I saw him in the playoffs. Granted Oswalt is on the back end of his career but that should translate to a shorter and cheaper contract. Wilson for 5 or 6 years when the Nats have all the youngsters on the way? I don’t think so. If memory serves me, Owsalt’s back problems have always seemed to be the nagging type, as opposed to season ending variety and he claims to have now learned how to prepare himself physically to reduced the chances of a re-occurrence. (Of course when you are a free agent what else are you going to say.) Anyway, I’ve always loved watching the guy work and would like to see him doing so for a couple of years with the Nats, especially knowing that we have Milone and Peacock to stash in AAA.
I can’t imagine that anyone could get him for less than 2 years, but maybe, like Wang, they could do so by paying him more for that one year.
Mase, ye've seen more of Oswalt for a simple reason: he old
…and wore out. I too have greatly admired his work over the years (grudgingly so, for the most part) and he can still be a tough customer, on occasion – but not for much longer. For people wanting this kind of money, it’s a game for young’uns. Thumbs down on Oswalt.
"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'" - Earl Weaver
Well alot can go wrong with closers
Especially young ones. And especially young ones who overthrow. And Madson hasn’t been a closer his whole career so he could easily slide into any other spot in the bullpen. Obviously it’s not a necessity but if Rizzo wants one of the best/deepest bullpens in the league this makes sense
Whats the frequency, Kenneth?
A lot can go wrong with closers, and usually does
Never fall in love with a relief-pitcher; best thing to do with a good one is trade him, because he won’t be good for long. Yes, that’s a generality – one that’s generally true.
"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'" - Earl Weaver
I love the idea of Oswalt, and depending on contract size I wouldn’t mind giving him Wang money for two years, personally.
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 15, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Oswalt is going to cost more than $8MM over 2 years
but I would be happy with that deal as well.
See, I want to say that, but I know a lot of players want the security of the second year more than the money of the first. I don’t think many teams want to give that second year.
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 15, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I agree that he might take a discount for 2nd year
it is not going to be so much that he makes less over 2 years than he would in one. I don’t think it would be crazy for him to get a $8MM one year contract. I mean there was some discussion if the Phillies would pick up $16MM. I don’t think you get to $4MM.
I think Buerhle might be a better fit for direction of the Nationals pitching, and is less like to tax the bullpen. I also think that Buerhle would have some good advice for Lannan and Milone.
Ah, hadn’t seen all of that discussion. Thanks!
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 15, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
GM Werth?
I don’t like Werth recruiting his buddies without regard to the team’s needs. Pitching options exist well beyond Madson and Oswalt.
They do...
but Madson is the best reliever available. I am okay with him recruiting Madson to some degree. he has a low walk rate and is really something special.
On the other hand, I think the Nats, if they are going to deepen their bullpen, should go after Joe Nathan. Just my two cents.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
He follows their style
hard thrower who is looking to rebound from previous injury. could be a great trade opportunity mid-season. or another ace in the bullpen.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
Would Madson be willing to pitch the 7th?
The 8th and 9th inning are taken.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
I liked it when Johnson would bring in Clip for a big out in the 6th or 7th… It would be nice if he had the luxury of doing that more by having more depth in the pen for the 8th. Maybe they already have that in H-Rod and/R-Mat. Madson would be nice, but it seems to me that he would be way to expensive
That would be a very expensive security net..
by RossingtonCollins on Nov 15, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly, the Nats have 2 of the top relievers in the National league, and both are cheap. Adding a third guy who is massively overpaid would create problems.
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Speaking of the Nats bullpen, I love this line from the fangraphs article on Kimbrel.
The only four-seamers that were harder to hit this year belonged to Vinnie Pestano (.402), Kenley Jansen (.380), and Tyler Clippard (.361).
Aim for the head baby Jesus
I love it, if it generates discounted contracts and it definitely shows that Werth likes it here. Also, he doesn’t make the final decision, but yeah, I will never have a problem with a star player platforming for his city.
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 15, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're mad at Werth???
Werth has no power to sign players. So he can talk all he wants about the club’s direction, and it doesn’t mean that they are any closer to signing him.
I don’t particularly want Oswalt or Madson given their likely costs, but I certainly am not going to get upset with Werth for putting a good word in for his team. What possible harm is there in that? That perhaps the Nationals might escape the list of teams that have to grossly overpay to land free agents? I find no cause to be upset at Werth at all. He’s not making contract offers or speaking poorly about the team.
Finally, I don’t think Storen should be considered untradeable. I think he should be considered to very expensive and unlikely to be traded, but I would have been happy to trade him for a healthy Denard Span. And though I think Madson is too expensive, there a number of viable closer free agents. There aren’t really viable free agent options for CF.
Yeah, I love Storen, but (Knock on wood) one season and done seasons closers are more common than Mariano Rivera. I have no problem stocking the arsenal with arms, just in case.
I would love to see a comparison between Storen and Cordero, BJ Ryan, Gagne, Urbina, Capps, and that really tall guy the Nats used to have with the giant I tattoo on his neck whos name I’m forgetting who is a Blue Jay now.
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 15, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Jon Rauch
Is the tall guy with the tattoos :-)
Huh
This was meant as a Reply. I need more coffee.
by Expos 4ever on Nov 15, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
That’s him, thanks!
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by Whiter Mage on Nov 15, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Rizzo on ESPN980 at 1:30...
And there’s this non-update from FOXSports.com’s Jon Morosi: “Source: Yu Darvish situation remains unchanged. It’s likely but not certain that he will be posted. #Yankees #RedSox”
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Nov 15, 2011 1:24 PM EST reply actions
#Nationals!!
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I heard he was on 106.7 yesterday
Is there a link to that interview?
Quotes in the story on Espinosa/Ramos yesterday...
Audio HERE about halfway down the page. Listen quickly, they don’t seem to archive and these move down the list fast.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Nov 15, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
only three more games left in the Arizona Fall League...
today’s game has Norris batting cleanup, and Harper batting 5th…
http://www.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2010/index.jsp?gid=2011_11_15_scowin_srrwin_1
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
close out with a 3-game hitting streak!!!
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Nov 15, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I like Madson, but not for the money
Storen is almost as good, but much, much cheaper. As our bullpen is currently constituded, we have Storen, Clip, Burnett, HRod and a lefty long guy (Gorzo or Detwiler). Depending on how Davey wants it set up, there are two spots left. Has anyone heard any updates on Kimball? Not sure Balester has a spot locked up – too erratic. I thought Coffey did well and would be ok bringing him back. Stammen is also an option as a long man. Serverino probably gets a spot (forgot about him) due to his velocity and (left) handedness. I have to assume we’ll have 7 spots and not 6 but again, I’m not sure about Davey’s history.
The ‘90 Reds had three closers and ended a lot of games after 6 innings. Adding another closer (hopefully one more cost effective than Madson) might be a smart move. Bell might be available for a 2 year deal. Then you could mix and match the final three innings with Clippard, Storen and Bell. I wouldn’t mind bringing Rauch back either. He’d be more of a setup man than closer, which might be better for Storen’s confidence. Even if we move Storen for a CF, I’d still rather have Bell than Madson – less money and years, most likely.
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Yeah, the bullpen is pretty full right now
Assuming we run a six-man pen, we would have Storen, Clippard, Stammen, Rodriguez, Gorzelanny, Burnnett. Other considerations with MLB service time Severino, Cole Kimball, and Ryan Matthues. In the minors we have Zech Zinicola, Josh Wilkie, Rafael Martin, and Pat Lehman. Livan Hernandez has offered to comeback as a long reliever.
As you have mentioned there are a number of excellent relief pitchers on the FA market right now, but most are more of the closer mold, than long-relief/spot start type. So we might be angling to move a packet of relief pitchers for something useful and then sign Madson or Bell or someone else.
Some team might look at Gorzelanny or Detwieler as a potential starter. The Pirates, Angels, and Rockies have crowded outfields and need pitching. I don’t know that they could put together deal but maybe.
hmmm........regarding Yu Darvish #18....."(Sox gave DiceK...) uniform number 18, a traditional number for an ace in Japan."
Danny Espinosa… #18 ….
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
In other news... Bill James loves Tom Milone!
Projection: 10 G, 10 GS, 52.0 IP, 8.31 K/9, 1.21 BB/9, 0.69 HR/9, 2.70 FIP
JZ made 26 starts last year, so we can expect Strasburg to make about that many, give or take a start. That would leave 8 or so starts for someone else to take, so Milone could slip into his slot if necessary. While Milone gets a lot of comparisons to Lannan, they aren’t warranted based on minors numbers – Milone is a lot better. Milone has much better K & BB/9 numbers and is FIP is almost a full run better (ERAs are better too). His K/9 in the majors was Lannanesque last season, but at least he kept his walks down. He’s an interesting case and let’s hope James is right about him.
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by rfk428 on Nov 15, 2011 2:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Up from 5.2 during his short time in the Bigs?
Yeah, I’d call that a stretch.
Rob
-- In baseball we trust.
I'm not really sure that you can call anything on 26IP, but I agree that it seems high
based on his 9.4 K/9 in AAA and 8.83 K/9 in AA. I would expect to see more of a drop, but we’ll see. I certainly won’t complain if he hits those projections. Also, 52 IP on 10 starts seems odd to me.
The best guess I have
is that he didn’t spend much, if any, time looking at Milone before putting those numbers down. It’s pretty hard to take that projection seriously with the K/9 that high.
It's the Bill James projections
on the Fangraphs page.
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
Except his control is much, much better
which is kinda the whole point of a finesse pitcher.
Lannan puts up BB/9 of about 3.5, Milone puts up about 1.5. (I’m only counting minors numbers here since Milone has so little MLB time.
Milone=Buehrle
if you want someone to compare to Lannan in the org, your looking for Danny Rosenbaum
MOAR SEVERINO!
I was comparing minors numbers for both...
as a way to extrapolate what Milone is capable of. I agree that his stuff “looks” like Lannan, but he has displayed better control, ie walk numbers, per level than Lannan. In fact, his minors numbers are across the board better than Lannan’s, which is probably why James’s projections are so positive.
The main thing holding Lannan back is lack of command. That doesn’t seem to be Milone’s issue. Milone also looks capable of getting more strikeouts, but of course, only time will tell.
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Glad to see others joining me on the tom milone bandwagon
His minor league numbers for three years in a row are pretty remarkable. I’m not a lannan hater, but milone’s career milb k/bb ratio is 5.5/1, which is three times better than lannan was as a minor leaguer. So yeah, he doesn’t throw 90s, but a lefty starter with consistent pinpoint control can be a consistent winner in the big leagues, even with an 86-87 mph fastball – see Mark Buehrle.

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