Washington Nationals' Outfield Chatter - No Grady Sizemore, No Denard Span, B.J. Upton?
Cleveland Indians' center fielder Grady Sizemore's name was mentioned as a potential solution for the Washington Nationals when everyone wondered where they'd finally find the top of the order outfielder they've said they want to add this winter. Sizemore's name, if reports this weekend are true, can be crossed off the list as he and his agent are reportedly pulling back from the market and negotiating with the team he's played for his entire eight-year major league career. Reestablishing himself on a one-year deal with the Indians seems to be the plan for Sizemore. How much sense the injured outfielder made for the Nats is debatable? Injuries have limited the 29-year-old one-time Montreal Expos' prospect to 210 games total in the last three seasons. Washington needs an everyday center fielder who can lead off and get on base. There aren't too many of them out there of course.
Asked in a press conference with reporters last month about the time Jayson Werth spent in center field late last season, and what he'd thought about last winter's big acquisition's performance there, D.C. GM Mike Rizzo said he liked what he saw but would prefer Werth remain in right. "I thought he played very well defensively in center field," Rizzo said, "I think he's a very good defensive center fielder. In a perfect world I'd like to find a leadoff-type of on base percentage guy that could hit at the top of the lineup that could play center field and Jayson play right field. But the reason that we put him in center was to give us more options, because now knowing that Jayson can more than handle the center field position it obviously opens up a bigger pool of players that can play a corner position and Jayson go to the middle. But in a perfect world I'd like Jayson to be our right fielder."
Both Nats' skipper Davey Johnson in an interview on 106.7 the FAN in D.C.'s Mike Wise Show with Holden Kushner and the Nats' general manager in a more recent interview on MLB Network Radio, admitted that finding the center fielder/leadoff man they want on the free agent market is going to be difficult. "I don't foresee us doing that in the free agent market," Johnson said. The Nationals' general manager said that though the Nationals know what they want and, "... do have to solve the center field situation," he thought, "... that would probably come from a trade from our depth, our minor league depth or major-league-ready players."
"We see that there are some good values out there and there's some extremely talented players in the free agent market," Rizzo explained, "We just have to decide if they're a good fit for us? If the timeline works? If the age of the player works? What do we have in the minor leagues that could fulfill that position in a year or so? Those are all decisions that each individual club has to make."
Has Roger Bernadina been given his last chance to make it as the Nats' center fielder? How long until Bryce Harper's ready? Eury Perez was just added to the 40-Man Roster, but hasn't played above high-A ball yet. 2010 Nats' Minor League Player of the Year, power-hitting 1B/OF Tyler Moore's 24, spent the year at Double-A and has been playing in the outfield some as Director of Player Development Doug Harris told MASN's Byron Kerr in October. Corey Brown? The Nationals were asking all the same questions when they discussed deals at last July's deadline.
The much-rumored deal with Minnesota which was said to have focused on injured (concussion) outfielder Denard Span coming to Washington with Nats' relievers and infield prospects going to Minnesota is reportedly no longer a possibility. After the trade deadline passed without a deal that many predicted would happen, ESPN.com's Jayson Stark spoke to an "executive of one club" who explained that the Twins, "... thought they had a chance to win, and bullpen was the one thing they thought they really needed,'" but, "'... once that deal fell through, they'll be dealing with a different set of circumstances [next offseason]. That same sense of urgency won't be there in the winter.'"
Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore confirmed as much when he spoke to Twins' GM Terry Ryan at the recently-concluded GM Meetings, writing in a Nationals Journal post entitled, "Nationals GM Mike Rizzo lays groundwork in trade for a center fielder, says his players are drawing interest", that Mr. Ryan, "... indicated he is not willing to trade Span or Ben Revere, another speedy outfielder." SI.com's Jon Heyman (@SI_JonHeyman) mentioned the WaPost's Mr. Kilgore's report on the Twitter this afternoon when he wrote, "Twins gm terry ryan told adam kilgore of wash post span and revere aren't going anywhere. Bj upton remains #nats CF possibility."
Upton's name has been tied to the Nationals for two years now. ESPN.com's Buster Olney, in discussing possible destinations for Sizemore late in October suggested that Rays are, "... expected to at least listen to offers for B.J. Upton -- and probably trade him," this offseason while some have suggested he's a non-tender candidate who could then be signed as a free agent (and others have laughed off the idea of the Rays' non-tendering Upton.) Cuban free agent outfield Yoennis Cespedes is reportedly on the Nats' (and every team's) radar, but accompanying reports this weekend that he'll establish residency in the Dominican Republic so he'll be available as an international free agent soon were reports that the outfielder wants a BIG deal from the MLB team that signs him.
MLB.com's Joe Frisaro, who covers the Miami Marlins, reported this weekend that the Fish had seen Cespedes work out in the Dominican Republic this week and Mr. Frisaro wrote that sources told him the outfielder, "... could be seeking more than double [Aroldis] Chapman’s [$30.25M] salary over eight years," though, "technically, no negotiations can take place until after he is declared a free agent." 8-years/$60M? Really? The Nats' search continues...
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almost convinced that the Nats are going to go with Werth in CF and Harper in RF.
Just feel that they are moving in that direction and away from the trades.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
by Mezza on Nov 19, 2011 5:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Other Cf who are no longer available
Melky Cabrera was traded to SF, so Lorenzo Cain will be the Royals CF. Neither will be available for the Nats. Matt Kemp will not a free agent in 2013.
Thank goodness on Cabrera
Never really thought Kemp would be an option.
Rob
-- In baseball we trust.
It was a dream.
It would’ve been a “greatest possible scenario” dream, and enough to keep faith alive. Too bad.
Skins rule
Cespedes won't be worth anywhere near that much money.
He most likely won’t be offered that money either. I would love for the Marlins to offer him that much money, since it would just further hurt them, but I doubt it will happen.
Skins rule
Seemed absurd to me as well...
Have since seen $35-$50M estimates, which still seem like a lot. Is interesting that they’re saying he’s presenting himself as a veteran outfielder rather than an unproven international commodity.
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by Patrick Reddington on Nov 19, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Especially from that league
Most reports have said that the Cuban league is like the equivalent to high-A/AA here. Intriguing tools but that’s just an insane amount. I’d be a little more interested in Soler actually. They’re both obviously extremely raw but Soler, being 19 as opposed to 26, may be a little easier to groom than Cespedes. Plus I’ve read that his power potential could be greater than Cespedes’ as well, and even if we don’t need him down the road he’d be a great trade commodity.
Whats the frequency, Kenneth?
Baseball songs
Glad to see that we aren’t going to be signing sizemore… too injury prone. Upton could be nice though. Here’s a good look at some sports songs: http://www.loveboatsports.com/2011/11/songs-for-days.html
Upotn only solves one problem- CF/ Another CF thought
BJ Upton isn’t really the leadoff type. I’m not saying he couldn’t do it. He draws plenty of walks, but it seems like a waste of power. He would keep Werth out of center which I think should be a priority given how long we need him to be healthy and productive.
I think that we should pursue Che-Hsuan Lin. He’s a CF prospect for the Red Sox. Every report I have read says his defense is top notch, and his plate discipline is great. The reason the Sox might trade Lin, is that he has little to no power in his swing, and therefore is like a defensive 4th OF. Check out his fangraphs page. The Red Sox have some needs in the bullpen and the back of the rotation, particularly for lefties. So, I could get behind Gorz for Lin and something. Heck, if they were really driving a hard bargain we could throw in Slaten. Additionally, they have a talented OF, and another back-ups in AAA, Daniel Nava (who did well for them in 2010). Furthermore, the Red Sox could likely get another corner OF reasonably cheap.
Another minor point is that Lin would also continue to boost the Nationals stature in Taiwan, is home country where he was a 100-meter sprint and high-jump national champion. Given the reception that Morse and Wang received in Taiwan, it couldn’t hurt for the Nationals to have another Taiwanese player.
Throwing in Slaten is just too muc...ah, go ahead.
Someone emailed me making the same point about Upton only solving one problem since he’s not really a leadoff hitter, which is something that should have been noted, I agree.
Was it you that was talking about Che-Hsuan Lin during the Taiwan All-Star Series? I remember noticing him in the outfield for the Chinese Taipei team. He did actually look pretty good fwiw.
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by Patrick Reddington on Nov 20, 2011 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
Please explain how Che-Hsuan Lin is an upgrade over Roger Bernadina, Corey Brown, or Eric Komatsu. I do not know the first thing about Lin, other than what you posted from FanGraphs, but I was not particularly thrilled.
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http://www.soxprospects.com/players/lin-che.htm
Here’s a detailed scouting report. He’s apparently a sure thing for OBP (something we don’t have) and solid D (something we stress). But the bat is an unknown.
Whats the frequency, Kenneth?
A longer justification for acquiring Lin
As has been frequently noted, there aren’t any 5.0 WAR CFs on the free agent market. There are a few questionable international free agents Cespedes and Norichika Aoki. And a few potential trade targets such as BJ Upton. But none of them are ideal solutions, so I think that we should keep looking for a more under-the-radar player. I found Lin when looking at potential rule 5 pick-ups. (The Sox decided to spend the 40-man slot to protect him).
As to why he is an upgrade over Bernadina, I would say because he is a consistently talented player. I know several people were hopeful for Bernadina, but he hasn’t produced. This year Bernadina’s batting was so-so ( .243/.301/.362 MLB) and (.250/.339/.415 AAA). His defense is always poor; he posted a negative UZR every year, except 2009 when he played 7.2 innings in CF. Additionally, he’s 27 and has 200+ MLB games. I don’t think there is anything left to find here.
Eric Komatsu has a similar batting profile, but generally not seen as a strong defender. . Furthermore, he’s 23 in AA, so while not crazy, he is somewhat behind the curve.
I don’t know what to say about Corey Brown. He’s a hacker with a huge K rate, but draws enough walks, and is generally regarded as an athletic defender, but he’s had 2 knee surgeries so I am not sure what that will do to his long-term viability.
Finally, I would say that Lin is not a perfection solution, but he is good option given his strong sense of the strike zone. Assuming that Davey & Co. believe that they could get him enough power to reliably hit singles with enough regularity to still draw walks, then I think Lin would fill all our needs, and we could overlook his lack of power. If Lin brings Brett Gardner level defense, then I willing to give up some hitting power.
As for Lin’s cost, obviously all trades are dependent on getting the right value in return. I don’t know how much the Red Sox value him, just that we have what they need and they have what we could need.
Lin could be interesting
but you’d have to wonder if his bat would play at the MLB level. He’s been just a tick above a slap-hitter for his minor league career. Looks to have plus speed, and an accurate arm as well.
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could lombo move to cf?
Not that we know if can hit or get on base, but he could at AAA… then so could Bernadina…
Is he fast enough?
I’m just throwing ideas out there…
The team would be better off with Desmond out there
but that ship is never going to sail.
"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3
Crisp?
Crisp looks like the best option to me. Bid on the Cuban guy, If that doesn’t work, get Crisp, then spend/trade on a pitcher.
Crisp?
32 years old, never had any power, defensively so-so, bad clubhouse reputation. What’s the upside?
I’d rather have Ankiel — and I don’t want Ankiel.
Rob
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A lot of the names that get thrown around, those who are available, I do not think are any better than Bernadina. I hate it when we sign players for the sake of signing more mediocre players. I’m hoping Harper proves in ST that he is ready….and make this all a mute point.
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With Ankiel on roster as a capable back-up, I felt like Sizemore was worth a roll of the dice
…but ain’t nobody axed me, and now it doesn’t appear that either one of them will play here next season.
"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'" - Earl Weaver
Although not a huge fan of ankiel, looked sort-of capable at the end of the season, so keep him...
and…take a look at Corey Brown, Eury Perez or even bring Brian Goodwin into training camp. See what the young guys have before throwing money or a long term deal out there. Do not want to see any huge contracts or longer then 2 years + a 3rd year option for a cf. Hoping Goodwin pans out in the future…

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