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The Washington Nationals' Great Bryce Harper Debate: Double Or Triple-A Or Opening Day?

WASHINGTON - AUGUST 26:  Bryce Harper of the Washington Nationals takes batting practice at Nationals Park on August 26 2010 in Washington DC.  (Photo by Greg Fiume/Getty Images)

D.C. GM Mike Rizzo was asked on the night of the 2010 Draft, June 8, 2010 and has been asked many times since. When will Bryce Harper make his MLB debut? The first decision the Washington Nationals made, which they announced on the night of the Draft, was to move the then-17-going-on-18-year-old out from behind the plate to the outfield because, as the Nats' general manager explained, "We think his bat is well ahead of his defense as a catcher, and with the rigors of the game of catching, the squatting, the beating that they take behind the plate, we just think that it will accelerate his development in the minor leagues and also extend his career as a major leaguer." The Nationals weren't going to rush Harper up, however, or "retard" his development if he showed signs of being ready to advance through the system.

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"We're certainly not going to rush him," Rizzo told reporters on the night of the 2010 Draft, "We're going to develop him the right way, by our timeline, by our development curve and we're not going to move him until we feel that he's mastered where he's been and when he's done so we'll move him accordingly." Harper started the 2011 season in Class-A Hagerstown after a quick-but-impressive Spring Training in which he hit in 7 of 18 at bats over 13 games and wondered aloud why he couldn't compete for a spot on the Nats' Opening Day roster. When Harper made the jump from Low-A Hagerstown to Double-A Harrisburg, he did so with a .318/.423/.554 slash, 17 doubles and 14 HR's in 72 games and 305 plate appearances.

D.C. GM Mike Rizzo appeared on 106.7 the Fan in D.C.'s "The Mike Rizzo Show" in the first week of July to talk to MASN and 106.7 the Fan's Byron Kerr about Harper's move to Double-A, explaining to the host that, "We had a plan all along to cultivate [Bryce Harper] in a specific manner. We feel that he's had plenty of time at the Class-A level, dominated it pretty well, honed his skills."

"We felt that the logical step was to get him to Double-A ," Rizzo continued, "prepare him for the Arizona Fall League after the season is over, [and] so we decided to give him approximately two months in Double-A after playing about two and a half months in A-ball." Harper played just 37 games and made 147 plate appearances with the Harrisburg Senators before a hamstring injury ended his first pro season prematurely. Harper had a .256/.329/.395 line with seven doubles and three home runs at Double-A, once again starting slowly as he has at each level of the Nats' system but recovering with a .292/.375/.521 line in 56 August plate appearances before he went down.

Showing no signs of the injury, but some rust early in Arizona Fall League, Harper recovered from yet another slow start to finish his stint in the so-called "finishing school for the game's top prospects" with a .333/.400/.634 slash, six doubles, two triples, six HR's, 26 RBI's, 11 walks and 22 K's in 25 games and 93 at bats for the AFL's Scottsdale Scorpions. MLB.com's Jonathan Mayo named the now-19-year-old Harper the top prospect in the league at the end of the season. D.C. GM Mike Rizzo told MLB Network Radio hosts Jim Bowden and Casey Stern after watching Harper in the AFL, that Harper had, "... really come a long way in the outfield, left field and right field, he plays both. He's improving dramatically. I saw him backing up bases instinctually and not having to really think about it, so he's come a long way in that." Harper was also named the no.1 prospect in the Nats' organization by Baseball America.

Meanwhile, back in the nation's capital, or at least on the airwaves in Washington, Nats' Skipper Davey Johnson had been stirring things up. In an interview on 106.7 the FAN's Mike Wise Show with Mike Wise (@mikewiseguy) and Holden Kushner (@HoldenRadio), Johnson, asked what the future holds for Harper and where he'll start the 2012 season, said, "I know where he wants to be. I can tell you that right now. He wanted to be in Washington last year."

"I know he's going to cap off a great Fall League," Johnson said, "And I know he's going to come to Spring Training and he's going to want to show us he's the best outfielder we've got." Asked if Harper had a legit shot to make the club, Johnson told the hosts, "I'm going to go north with the best group of guys I can lay my hands on. I'm going to keep an open mind. The fact is I've said that one other time to a general manager, I already said that to Rizzo, about a guy named Dwight Gooden, I said, 'Just keep an open mind going into Spring.'"

The Nationals' 68-year-old Skipper reiterated his feelings yesterday in Washington Post writer Thomas Boswell's article entitled, "At baseball winter meetings, Nationals’ Mike Rizzo is usually predictably unpredictable." The Nats have made no secret of their desire to add two things this winter, a reliable starter and an outfielder (preferably a high-OBP, leadoff-type), with B.J. Upton's name once again coming up and Cuban-born international free agent Yoenis Cespedes reportedly another target.

Davey Johnson, according to the WaPost's Mr. Boswell, believes the Nationals, "'... can contend for the playoffs next year right where we are, with a couple of tweaks. We’re one player, maybe two players, away from being a strong team,' Johnson said." And Johnson thinks Washington might already have the answer on the Nats' 40-Man roster. "[Johnson] made it clear one of those players might be Bryce Harper, 19," Mr. Boswell wrote, quoting Johnson saying, "'You can’t hide talent. Bryce is like Dwight Gooden [in the Mets’ rotation at age 19]. If he’s ready, he’s ready.'" If Bryce Harper shows he's ready in Spring Training, can Davey Johnson convince Mike Rizzo to let him have what he wants? Johnson dismissed the idea that concerns about Harper's contract would affect the decision in the Washington Post article.

If the Nationals believe they can contend, would they be better off having Harper there from the start, allowing him to get the slow start he's had at each level out of the way early in the season rather than bringing him up to a competitive team and hoping he fits in and produces right away? Would you rather have a hot-hitting Harper join the team after a few months at Double or Triple-A? Bringing Harper up would require some changes in the outfield. Assuming Adam LaRoche (or some other big 1B say from Milwaukee) is at first, with Michael Morse in left and Jayson Werth in the outfield, would the Nats be comfortable shifting Werth to center so Harper can play left or right?

Asked what he thought of Werth in center in a press conference last month, the Nats' GM said "I thought he played very well defensively in center field. I think he's a very good defensive center fielder." In a perfect world, however, the Nats would find a center fielder and keep Werth in right, but, as the Nats' GM explained, "... the reason that we put [Werth] in center was to give us more options, because now knowing that Jayson can more than handle the center field position it obviously opens up a bigger pool of players that can play a corner position and Jayson go to the middle. But in a perfect world I'd like Jayson to be our right fielder."

Of course, this isn't necessarily a Rizzo vs Johnson situation. The two have admittedly agreed on just about everything since they began working together a few years back with the composition of the Nats' bench and their use of the bullpen two notable exceptions. But as the Washington Post's Mr. Boswell noted in a recent chat with readers, Johnson does have a way of getting what he wants.

Asked by a reader if there was any way Harper's in Wrigley Field on Opening Day, the WaPost writer once again brought up Johnson's history with Doc Gooden in NY, and recalled how Johnson, "... basically called up [Steve] Lombardozzi, [Chris] Marrero, [Brad] Peacock and [Tom] Milone __ALL of them__ before the front office was willing to talk about it. Davey talked about how great it would be 'when they come up.'" When it's time to make a decision, Mr. Boswell wrote, "He's going to say, 'This is what I need. This is who I want on my team.' And he'll say it in public first." All Johnson has said publically so far is that he wants everyone to keep an open mind. How motivated do you think Bryce Harper is going to be heading into Spring Training?

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by dc Roach on Dec 1, 2011 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

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Matt LeCroy, the catcher whose right arm once made Frank Robinson cry, will manage Class AA Harrisburg this year, per @hbgsensradio.

by dc Roach on Dec 1, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

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by dc Roach on Dec 1, 2011 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

I've expressed my doubt -- loudly -- about DJ's in-game management skills,

but I’m clearly in his corner on baseball philosophy the majority of the time. Including this time.

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Dec 1, 2011 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

Bring up the kid

Harper should be brought up now. If he’s known for slow starts, let’s get it out of the way this season. Realistically the Nats are a more likely contender with one more season on the aging core of the Phillies’ lineup, and when Strasburg can throw a full season. Get Harper’s rookie season under his belt this year. With the new Super 2 rules, he’ll be in the minors forever before he doesn’t qualify. Bite the bullet and bring him up to start the season.

And the team also needs a center fielder. Mike Morse is awful in the outfield. He should stay at first and a CF acquired by trade or free agency. An outfield of Harper, Coco Crisp and Werth is far superior to one of Morse, Werth and Harper. We’d like the outfield to catch at least some fly balls this year.

Screw Adam LaRoche. He can platoon with Morse.

by short on Dec 1, 2011 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

Crisp is not a worthwile acquistion.

He’s good enough to command a multi-year deal, despite the fact that his skill set is typically not one that ages well, ie speedy centerfielder. And a career OBP of .330 doesn’t inspire confidence as a lead-off hitter. Also, his arm is only going to look worse as his range and speed decline.

by chubias on Dec 1, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually speed ages really well

Fast players often have long careers. Kenny Lofton, Bret Butler. It’s the tubbies that burn out young. I wouldn’t pay Crisp much, but the value to the pitching staff of a guy who can go get the ball in center shouldn’t be discounted. Maybe they’ll look at Cespedas. I was just using the cheapest FA centerfielder I could think of as an example of a cheap solution better than playing Morse in the OF.

by short on Dec 1, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Forget Crisp

#signcuddyer

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 1, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Harper's bat will determine where he starts 2012

If he goes all ‘beast mode’ in Viera, he’ll be with the Nationals on OD. Should he struggle, he’ll probably head back to HAG until md-season.

"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3

by BinM on Dec 1, 2011 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

Boy I hope they don't put that much weight on Spring Training numbers

Spring training stats are not meaningful enough to base this kind of a decision on. If they don’t think he’s ready for the majors, then there shouldn’t be anything he can do in Spring to get the call. And if they think he is, the only reason a bad spring should prevent his call up is if they think he’s injured or his numbers are so abjectly awful it becomes clear he’s pressing.

It sounds like Johnson think’s he’s ready, which is the best sign in Harper’s favor, to me.

by short on Dec 1, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not so much his numbers in the games alone

It’s how he plays and practices. Has his judgment/accuracy on throws improved? Is he tracking baseballs well in the OF? Is he struggling with the strike zone, making good contact, etc?

It’s not the pure numbers, because they may well be misleading. It’s the totality of the circumstances.

by d_c_guy on Dec 1, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That makes a lot of sense

It’s really how he does from an all-around scout’s-view perspective that will push him onto the roster.

by short on Dec 1, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Harper should NOT start with the Nationals

from everything I have read from the scouts his fielding is pretty terrible, has baserunning is not good, and most scouts say his bat isnt quite ready for the MLB. Do not rush Harper to the majors, call him up midseason like they did Strasburg. I personaly dont see the rush, as how many games has he played above A ball?

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 1, 2011 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

Scouts can be such haters

One thing to note: any team that would hold a player like Harper down in the minors because of his baserunning does not deserve a player like Harper.

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Dec 1, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Its more the fielding I worry about

Do you really want Morse and Harper in the same OF?

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 1, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

As long as Morse and Harper play in the same lineup.

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Dec 1, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I would say that Harper starting with the team would mean that the team will not both sign Ankiel and keep Bernadina

They will want a RH bat to be able to sit Harper against tough LHP as a way of giving him a break. I’d like to see them re-sign Hairston if they’re serious about giving Harper a chance to start the season in DC.

by d_c_guy on Dec 1, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Aren't we done with Bernadina yet?

Guy hasn’t performed in any of his million call-ups. He’s past the age where one can reasonably expect anything better from him (that is, he’s not going to be the next Michael Morse). Uneven defense, not much of a bat. Time to let him go.

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!

by ricksnats on Dec 2, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

He's a reasonable fourth outfielder.

Nothing spectacular, but can play all the positions and occasionally spell a player. He shouldn’t get more than 250 ABs in a season though.

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Dec 2, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

to me a fourth outfielder is there primarily for defense

Ankiel’s D is better than Bernadina’s, by far IMO.

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by ricksnats on Dec 2, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Bernadina has too much offensive potential

like you suggest.. offense from the bench is overrated

by dc Roach on Dec 2, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

The difference is that Harper has the Shark's wheels and Ankiel's arm,

his physical gifts can make up for a lot of what he still needs to learn.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Dec 1, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

His fielding in the AFL was ... shall we say ... inconsistant

So the concerns are not just baserunning. IMHO, though, the door is open but he’s going to have to travel a bit (i.e., show that he is continuing to improve the areas of his game that are weak) to get through the door. There is a not insignificant chance that he comes north with the team in April.

by d_c_guy on Dec 1, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven't heard that he was terrible though

And there’s another left fielder out there whose fielding could be considered “inconsistent”. He’s named Ryan Braun.

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Dec 1, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

6 outfield errors in a pretty small AFL sample.

Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.

by souldrummer on Dec 2, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Still don't care.

8 in 109 games in his first year as an outfielder does not faze me at all.

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Dec 2, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Think it is premature to call Harper ready

He ended his AA season strong, but that is an incredibly small sample size.

by chubias on Dec 1, 2011 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

He was already ready

IMO

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Dec 1, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Forget how he ended the AA season.

Look at how he played in the AFL against other top prospects.

by RandyJuan on Dec 1, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Souldrummer responds-- From the other thread

“He hit .256/.329/395 at Harrisburg in 147 plate apperances. Yes, he had a great fall league, but I think that AFL is a hitter’s league with the best pitchers on pitch counts and innings limits to get everybody work. If he mashes in AA, for a couple of months promote him straight to the bigs.”

The AFL is not a good measure of success.

by chubias on Dec 1, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, that clearly means he's ready for the MLB

Because everyone knows that if you have shown that you can mash in limited innings then there is no problem with your swing. Remember how Espinosa crushed early in the season, and then found out that he had a giant hole in his swing? That was awesome, right?

Yes, I agree that Harper will destroy all someday. But for now, let’s give him some time to work out a few of the little things in the minors. Another 6 weeks isn’t going to kill him or the team. Let’s just get a good look before we bring him up prematurely.

by chubias on Dec 1, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

And it won't kill him or the team to have him up on opening day

On the other hand, it will provide much of that needed flexibility to the team. And probably a bunch of homers, too.

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Dec 1, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

No, this is a fair point

We are arguing over gut reactions without any statistical support. Your hunch is probably as good as mine.

by chubias on Dec 1, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course, as we all know...

I want Rizzo to do it, so naturally he won’t.

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Dec 1, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

SD forgets about the automatic dismissal of all Harper's stats in his first two weeks at any level

He was mashing at AA before he got hurt.

And, the AFL may be a “hitter’s league”, but Harper still finished 7th out of 65 in OPS. Furthermore, pitchers may be on pitch limits but that doesn’t mean that hitters get to feast on scrubs. Every team sends prospects to the AFL, not roster-filler.

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Dec 1, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Given DJ's comments, and even some of Rizzo's, I think the door is open for Harper

But it’s not right in front of him – he’s going to have to show improvement in his fielding, throwing and baserunning to make the squad. Right now I’d say there’s at least a one in three chance he makes it, but less than 50/50.

It’s fun to think about though :-)

by d_c_guy on Dec 1, 2011 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I get the idea that management would prefer if he spent another half season to a year in the minors, but they would make it work if he made it an issue.

by dc Roach on Dec 1, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

NNLUP...

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by Patrick Reddington on Dec 1, 2011 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

I will mention that Gooden was ready talent wise but not mentally

and the pressure drove him to drugs. Harper is probably ready talent wise, but his behavior implies he is not mentally ready. I would give him a year or two more in the minors to grow up. AAA with a few Spring call ups. Then let him stay full time in 2014 if keeps destroying everyone.
If he comes up at 19 then he is a free agent at 24. He will peak at 26-28 and we want those years on the Nationals and not for $25 million a year if we can help it.

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Dec 2, 2011 2:39 AM EST reply actions  

One thing I can state almost categorically

Harper will not end up like Gooden. He’s just not that sort of person.

As a STH with (if I may say) very expensive seats, I will be highly irritated if the Nats keep him in the minors for a couple of years simply to save themselves money.

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Dec 2, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Patrick

makes a very compelling argument for why Harper very well could be on the Opening Day roster – because Johnson’s fingerprints are all over the move (and, at worst, offers a scape goat for Rizzo because Johnson’s tenure as manager, unfortunately, won’t be forever).

I still think their first signing this offseason will tell you what they’re thinking. Go big with SP (Yu or Wilson) and they won’t spend on the lineup thus Harper will be up. Go big in the field (Prince) and they won’t rush Harper up. In my book, I think the best decision is down the middle – sign Buerhle (i.e. Pudge for the pitching staff), trade for Upton with the postion surplus at SS, C, 1B (i.e. LaRoche), keep Morse at 1B and let Harper win LF outright in the ST.

"If you want money, go to the bank. If you want bread, go to the bakery. If you want goals, go to the net." - Brooks Laich

by bigity b on Dec 2, 2011 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

If he's on the opening day roster, Harper will play one year less before becoming a free agent.

One year of Harper is worth starting him in the minors. Scott Boras will never let him have free ageny years bought out.

Bring him up in May? Sure. Bring him up on opening day? Don’t waste the talent.

by philosofool on Dec 3, 2011 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

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