Will The Washington Nationals Win The Yu Darvish Bidding? Deadline To Submit Bids At 5:00 PM EST.
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 3:23 PM EST
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Print• FBb Tasseography: The Washington Nationals started the winter, as D.C. GM Mike Rizzo explained it, in search of a veteran addition to their starting rotation who could mentor and serve as an example for young starters like Stephen Strasburg and Jordan Zimmermann. The Nats' general manager described their ideal target to the D.C. press corps as a, "good leader type of guy that's thrown a lot of innings, that has shown that he can win in the big leagues and [can] really lead our staff, not just by having the best stuff on the staff but by showing how to be a professional and how to be a winner and how to pitch 200 innings in a season many, many times in your career." The nation's capital's baseball writers and the Nationals themselves identified 32-year-old left-hander Mark Buehrle early as the Nats' top target. The Nationals traveled to Buehrle's home in St. Louis to make their pitch, but during the Winter Meetings, the 11-year veteran signed with the Miami Marlins for an extra year and more money than Washington was willing to offer.
Roy Oswalt seemed a likely backup option, but earlier this week MLB.com's Bill Ladson wrote that the 34-year-old right-hander is still looking for a multi-year deal and, "The Nationals only want to give Oswalt a one-year deal loaded with incentives because he had problems with his back last year, and made only 23 starts." As the Winter Meetings ended last week, the Nats' general manager said that having missed out on Buehrle, he and his front office would reassess their needs and proceed from there. In a Q&A with fans published at the Nationals' official "Curly-W" blog this morning, Rizzo was again asked what the team's top priority was this winter and the description of the pitcher Washington's GM said he was after had changed some:
"We certainly would like to upgrade our rotation with an arm that could fit in with Strasburg and Jordan Zimmermann and give us a real potent top three guys in the rotation – to go along with Chien-Ming Wang, Ross Detwiler, John Lannan, Brad Peacock and Tommy Milone. We like to have great depth and versatility there. So that’s our number one priority."
Top of the rotation arm? A 3 to Strasburg and Zimmermann's 1 and 2? Rizzo doesn't say anything about whether he'd find that pitcher through a trade, free agency or possibily the posting system. The A's Gio Gonzalez would surely fit that description, though the cost in prospects for the lefty could be prohibitive. The Nats have expressed interest in Matt Garza before. Yu Darvish? Could Rizzo be talking about the 25-year-old Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters' right-hander?
In the article by MLB.com's Bill Ladson quoted above entitled, "Nationals still showing interest in Darvish", the Nats beat writer quoted a source who said, "The Nationals continue to express interest in Yu Darvish," but the source wasn't sure the Nationals would submit a bid. Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore, in an article entitled, "Japan star pitcher Yu Darvish: the Washington Nationals weigh the financial risk", quoted, "a scout who has watched Darvish for years, including twice this season," who predicted success for Darvish in MLB. Are they confident enough in the right-hander's ability to make the transition to MLB and pitch alongside Strasburg and Zimmermann to go all in on the posting fee and outbid the rest of the league?
At the end of the Winter Meetings, D.C. GM was asked if getting involved in the posting process was the Nats' Plan B after missing out on Buehrle, but Rizzo declined to comment, telling reporters including Washington Times' writer Amanda Comak as quoted in an article entitled, "Japanese standout pitcher Yu Darvish may be an expensive alternative for Nationals", that, "'Strategically, it doesn’t benefit us to announce if we’re going to bid or not. We’ve scouted him. We like him. We recognize his ability levels.'"
New Red Sox' GM Ben Cherington, in explaining that Boston probably wouldn't get involved in the bidding, told reporters in a Winter Meetings Q&A that his scouts thought the right-hander was a top of the rotation-type arm, "Certainly if a team is going to be posting and trying to sign [Darvish]," the Sox' GM told reporters, "it's going to be part of the front end of the rotation and we feel pretty good about that part of our team." The Sox are still mentioned as a potential destination. So are the New York Yankees, Toronto Blue Jays, Texas Rangers and Seattle Mariners, in spite of comments to the contrary on the part of several of those team's front offices. LA Dodgers' bench coach Trey Hillman, who managed Darvish in Japan, told USA Today baseball writer Paul White that the right-hander would be a no. 1 starter wherever he lands:
"'He's a No. 1,' Hillman says. 'The only reason he wouldn't be called a No. 1 on a lot of (major league) teams is they wouldn't want to hurt their current No. 1s' feelings.'"
FOXSports.com's Jon Morosi put the Nationals on a list of five teams with interest in Darvish in an article yesterday entitled, "Darvish is next big MLB mystery." Yahoo!Sports.com's Jeff Passan wrote this morning, in an article entitled, "Darvish bidding process is cloak-and-dagger affair", that Toronto and Texas were the frontrunners for Darvish according to baseball officials he spoke to, though he said, "... one believes [the Nats] will place the high bid." Will Mike Rizzo and the Nationals go for Yu Darvish? One way or another the guessing game ends soon...
• The deadline to submit bids is now two hours away...Who will win the bidding? Will the Washington Nationals take an expensive chance on Yu Darvish?
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So if the bids are due at 5pm?
When is the announcement made who won? I want to prepare myself adequately
I'm in the third category
Place a bid to win the right to negotiate with Yu Darvish, but with a goal to submit a bid that won’t hamstring the team if it wins. Sort of a “Sign Yu Darvish for a sane outlay of resources” category. #justbeingdifficult
It may be a couple of days before the winning bid is disclosed, so don’t get your hopes up for a 5:05pm announcement. The Yankees recently won the bidding for IF Hiroyuki Nakajima, and it wasn’t announced until a couple of days after the bidding process closed.
Stay tuned???
Gahh!!! I gotta have my TWITTER feed!!!
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
[tweet] [tweet]
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yu know who we want!
Yu got an arm and we want it.
Yu who, Yu who, excuse me sir please come here.
Yu really got me…
Yu ain’t seen nothing yet
Yu are my sunshine
Yu can make it if Yu try
Yu make my dreams come true
Yu send me
Yu shock me all night long
Just a few from my mp3 player
I think Yu Darvish broke the Twitter...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 5:01 PM EST reply actions
Yu cost too much
Yu ain’t taking that from me
Yu need me, I don’t need Yu
Yu? Can’t do that (grammar slightly adjusted)
Yu just haven’t earned it yet, baby
Yu never give me your money
Yu won’t see me
Yu are what Yu is (??)
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
Yu can't touch this...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Would I lie to Yu?
Would I lie to Yu, honey?
Would I bid something that wasn’t true
I’m asking Yu, baby, would I li-i-e to Yu?
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
Tonight or tomorrow morning according to tweets by Amanda Comak and Kilgore...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
per Kilgore and Nick Cafardo...
The Red Sox did not submit a bid…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 5:23 PM EST reply actions
via Darvish's agent Don Nomura on the Twitter:
Bidding time came and gone. MLB send high bid to jpn 4 biz day to respond to bid then winner announced. Long wait.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
will you be redbulling through the night til there's an announcement?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man
I have no other plans...
#pleasedon’ttakefourdays
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All I've heard is the vague "tonight"....
MLB Network Radio says they expect answer “soon”
mixed messages to say the least.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather have Rizzo sign Darvish, Aoki and Soler
TOR starter, one CF guy that won’t mortgage half street to roll the dice on, and one CF prospect to start at the bottom of the ladder and begin to climb along with Eury Perez, Destin Hood, Kevin Keyes and the rest.
Toronto starter? Oh, Top of the Rotation...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't been able to get on for 20 min.
Tweetdeck is working.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Darvish and Cepedes were recamended for the Yanks by Bleacher Roports http://bleacherreport.com/articles/978690-ny-yankees-free-agent-rumors-10-reasons-they-must-sign-cespedes-and-darvish but im on board with the Japaneses connection duo of Darvish and Aoki DO IT RIZZO please !!!
Bleacher Reports is a joke
I really don’t take anything they say seriously.
I used to write hockey articles for Bleacher Report
My first articles were fine and generated hits.
I applied recently to write again for them, they asked for a page on what I’d write about, and they turned me down. With that filthy speculation stuff. I don’t buy them for a minute.
"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."
via MLBTR on Twitter...
Twins did not bid. 27 more teams to rule out…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 5:39 PM EST reply actions
27 teams other than Nats...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
And according to MASN...
O’s did not bid either.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
@JeffPassan: "Darvish broke Twitter."
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 5:41 PM EST reply actions
I hear rumblings the Nationals might make an offer to Jayson Werth.
Anyone hear anything about this?
Yeah, they're offering him the privilege of playing CF
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
If the Nats have the high bid
Then they won’t sign Fielder.
And I’ll know winter has truly come.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
by RobBobS on Dec 14, 2011 5:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Could add Darvish and Fielder and still probably not break $100M payroll...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think they will add Prince, but I imagine if they were willing to make that kind of commitment...
One year and $8/$9 million probly wouldn’t stop them.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
AAA
He becomes part of SD’s “organizational depth” group. :-)
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
Speaking of organizational depth
Did you guys see the thing on Nats Enquirer about the farmhand who proposed to his girlfriend the Titans’ cheerleader? Don’t know Ben Graham’s bonus, but I don’t think it covers an engagement ring.
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
who needs money
when you’re marrying a cheerleader?
yeah, but that darn posting fee..
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
Rob, the posting fee would be a one-time, sunk cost
It would probably stop the Lerners’ from futzing around with the RedLoft seating for a couple of years.
"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3
Yu and Us......
I think Darvish can be had for less than the Nats threw at Werth, and I think he’s worth more than Werth. The Nats have a greater need than other teams to build some excitement in the fan base, and Darvish could be that guy. With Strasburg and Darvish, the Nats would sell a heckuva lot more tickets than they have before. The Werth bid was only justifiable as a loss leader — an investment that brings in others who will pay off for the team. Darvish could be in that latter category. The fee will be high, but for the Nats, it would still be profitable to win this bidding..
I think that's some of the reason many are so positive about him.
At this point, I’m all for it!
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
I'm expecting a 5 bWAR from Werth this year
and I expect less than half that from Darvish.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
when do we quit on the puns
don’t yu dare answer with a pun
MLB Network Radio introduced their Darvish bit...
With the B-I-Z, Biz Markie’s “YU GOT WHAT I NEED!!”
And Bowden said he predicts Texas, doesn’t see Nats spending big $ on posting fee…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
And Bowden saw the Jayson Werth thing from miles away
I trust Bowden not at all.
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
forgot the obligatory fwiw with all Bowden comments...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yu say he’s just a friend….
Aim for the head baby Jesus
by Doncosmic on Dec 14, 2011 7:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Darvish, Darvish give me the news!
I gotta
Bad Case of Loving Yu!
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
4 more days?
Say it ain’t so. Why Yu Wanna Treat me so bad?
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
Surely, you jest?
And don’t call me Yu. I’ve got a name.
who you calling a Yu you?
(obscure MASH reference)
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
@KenDavidoff:
“#Fighters don’t have to decide on Darvish bid before Tuesday 5 p.m. ET, but we’ll likely learn winner sooner than Tuesday.”
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 6:08 PM EST reply actions
Chicago Tribune's Phil Rogers's source says...
Cubs did submit a bid for Darvish.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 6:16 PM EST reply actions
Is everyone assuming the Nats placed a bid?
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
Assume yes, actual word they had/would, no.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
If we can't get Darvish or Aoki, I understand that RoboBix is available
Apparently he got DFA’d today by the Astros.
That didn't last long
guess they weren’t impressed with his work in the off-season weight room and batting cage …
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
Heh, stupid Mets...
@David_Brody: “I’m hearing that @newyorkMets have asked MLB to borrow another 100mil &are front runners for Yu Darvish”
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 6:52 PM EST reply actions
Bud ought to personally veto a Mets posting
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
Is that a joke? That’s not really how the process is supposed to work.. .
by 8vechkin on Dec 14, 2011 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely a joke yes.
I should have used sarcastic font
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
MLB's Alden Gonzalez's sources...
Say the Angels did not bid.
@Alden_Gonzalez: “Shocking development: The #Angels did not make a bid for Yu Darvish. #NotShocking”
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 6:58 PM EST reply actions
Arte wants, Arte gets...
I just hope they don’t bring the dumb monkey back when they make the postseason…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Cross Rays off the list according to...
@SPTimesRays: “#Rays, as expected, did not bid on Darvish, whose parents supposedly met in St. Pete.”
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 7:09 PM EST reply actions
Buster says Yanks did...
@Buster_ESPN: “Sources: the Yankees did post an offer on Yu Darvish.”
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 7:10 PM EST reply actions
But they said they wouldn't, not fair!!!
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
doesnt mean they'll win...
but it might end up that way…depends if Rizzo went all in $60m+
Ian Desmond is my hero!
May he become Kei Irabu Darvish if they win.
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
Clearly, the Yankees are not afraid of the luxury tax penalties in the new CBA.
No team deserves to be THAT rich. Grrrrr.
"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3
Remember, posting fees do not count against payroll for luxury tax purposes
That’s one reason that the Red Sox avoid the tax; that and hiding A-Gon’s contract until after the tax was calculated.
by d_c_guy on Dec 14, 2011 8:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Two teams I feared the most... to get Yu
1 Jays
2 Yanks
Rumored in: Yanks, Jays, Cubs.
Rumored out: Red Sox, Orioles, Rays, Angels, Cards, Twins.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 7:19 PM EST reply actions
Nationals sign Waldis Joaquin?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 7:19 PM EST reply actions
24-year-old Giants' right-hander...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Hard throwing is what I read
does he join Christian Garcia and Hector Nelo as hard throwing Rizzo project relivers
MOAR SEVERINO!
AAA depth acc. to Kilgore...
The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Morse
by Nationalpastime9 on Dec 14, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
what's wrong with his 2011 year?
I dont think he’s going to be lights out but hardly stunk it up.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Im a bit more optimistic. He’s 24 and got potential. He’s played very few games at the ML level – so I think he’s a chance he’ll factor in the future – but probably not straight away.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Either way, SYR / HAR need depth as well.
Somebody needs to be there when guys like Milone & Peacock get called up.
"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3
Control issues though?
Seems like a lot of BB
Darvish Jokes:
@JasonRyanDDS: Think I just accidentally bid on Yu Darvish at ebay.jp
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 7:23 PM EST reply actions
According to Kilgore, the posting fee all has to be paid in one lump sum...
I just imagine whoever posts for Darvish showing up in Sapporo with a briefcase filled with neatly stacked hundred dollar bills…
The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Morse
by Nationalpastime9 on Dec 14, 2011 7:25 PM EST reply actions
Uh-ohs...
CBSSports.com’s Danny Knobler@DKnobler : “Still don’t know what the number of winning bid for Darvish was, but sources say the Fighters were very excited by how high it was.”
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 7:31 PM EST reply actions
Darvish warned Yu:
DO NOT BID TOO HIGH!!
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
but still sno-cones for everyone, right???
[jumps up and down…]
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well, at least we should know sooner rather than later.
Yanks or Rangers is what I say at this point.
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
Lysdexia, what's lysdexia?
The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Morse
by Nationalpastime9 on Dec 14, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Uh-ohs, indeed...
That sounds like $50M++. Probably out of Rizzo’s range for the Nationals. Guessing Mariners – Yankees – Jays – Cubs.
"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3
MLB Network Radio host just called them the "Ham Fighters"...
#ugh
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 7:37 PM EST reply actions
so hard not to....
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
come and knock on our door...
….we’ll be waiting for yu
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
Ladson says...
Nats also signed infielder Jarret Hoffpauir.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 7:51 PM EST reply actions
looks like a ST invite before becoming organizational depth
He’ll learn to Cheer, Cheer, Cheer for the Chiefs.
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
My kingdom for a link to that song
I heard Charlie and Dave play it when Syracuse was first announced as our affiliate and have been unable to find it anywhere since.
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
Heyman
“word is #yankees entered only a modest bid for Darvish. Not likely to get. indications winning bid is sky high”
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Stupid "modest" yankees...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think the report is a bit of 'guano' to be honest...
(trying to slip that in somewhere)
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Always add your own disclaimers to all reports...
Or someone else will.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Thank god for Kei Igawa!
If Kei had worked out, they would spend to the moon again.
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
Sky high
It better dang well not be the Nats.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
by RobBobS on Dec 14, 2011 8:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Stay strong!
Maybe Boras will come back with his tail between his legs.
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
RIZZO!!!
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Don Nomura tweeted one back at me I still haven't figured out...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Most of those at that link I simply don't get.
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
Best emoticon out there
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____━━____━━╰O-O——O-O
MOAR SEVERINO!
Should be fixed
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MOAR SEVERINO!
is that a Jedi Kitten?
Jedi Kittens Strike Back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z3r9X8OahA
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was Nyan Cat...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I watch too much #AOTS...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
GOOD GOD NO
That timer is counting the time it is eventually going to take off the tail end of your life…times ten.
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Dec 14, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Falling asleep?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
@donnomura: @federalbaseball ヾ(＠⌒ー⌒＠)ノ
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 8:19 PM EST reply actions
Twitter rumors saying posting fee is "astronomical"...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 8:29 PM EST reply actions
It would seem at this point fans are starting to hope that it isn’t their team. With that much money on the table.
Then again, with more money in the posting fee, will he end up signing at all??
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Dec 14, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Rizzo outbids all competitors and refuses to apologize again...
And I hope it works out better than the last time he did that…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
NY Post confirms Yankees made bid:
Yankees put in bid for Japanese ace Yu Darvish
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 8:33 PM EST reply actions
Would the Jays spend $60+ mil for Darvish?
I think Anthopoulos is too smart for that…
The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Morse
by Nationalpastime9 on Dec 14, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
They'd have to spend twice that
It ain’t enough to just win the bidding. I know everyone knows that, but it bears repeating.
Clark Spencer (Marlins beat writer) says Marlins did not bid...
Rumored in: Yanks, Jays, Cubs.
Rumored out: Red Sox, Orioles, Rays, Angels, Cards, Twins, Marlins.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 8:40 PM EST reply actions
Whole lotta Rangers chatter on Twitter (some saying they didn't bid) but it's all from local radio guys...
Haven’t seen anything close to a beat writer or online/blogger source that’s said either way if Texas is in…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
I tend to agree with souldrummer's comment below...
Teams that are really in probably aren’t saying anything.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
It's gonna be somebody not mentioned
somebody who doesn’t leak their info. I’m betting Rangers at this point.
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
My prediction
It will be a National League team…unless it’s an American League team
The Nationals
So at this stage there is no indication that the Nationals even submitted a bid?
by d_c_guy on Dec 14, 2011 8:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm guessing rizzo bid one dollar more than what's reasonable
Price is Right style
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man
+1.01
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
everyone can guess!
theDAshow:
SI.com ranks the suitors for Yu Darvish in order: 1) TOR 2) TEX 3) WAS 4) NYY 5) BOS 6) SEA 7) LAA. is.gd/ZuIkrk
From Jon Heyman at CBS:
@JonHeymanCBS: "rumor is, at least 1 darvish bid was “sky” high. may have been “north’’ of $50M. again, unconfirmed.”
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 9:01 PM EST reply actions
Lerners can write it off to "marketing" expenses...
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
if Yu leaves the Fighters, they'll have to start Yumi....
Yumi Sugimoto throwing out the first pitch at a Nippon Ham Fighters game!!!!
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Where's Ami?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
warming up in the bullpen?.....
“…race queen of the year Nanao threw the ceremonial first pitch in a game between Orix Buffaloes and the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters. …”
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
I saw Puffy AmiYumi at the 9:30 club a few years ago.
Interesting crowd. It was a 5:30 show, so lots of 8-year-olds and their dads along with the aging hipsters.
I actually watched their cartoon too...
:(
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
totally flew over my head........but youtube and wiki have educated me...
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking we need a RH #3 between Lannan and .........somebody...
we do!!!
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
I can see this going in a variety of directions
Virtually none of which are appropriate for FB!
I was expecting worse..........jittery over the Yu news and all that...
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
OK, she's not dressed for the AAGPL
But her baseball form is a lot better than one might expect.
does not throw like a girl...
with fuzzy pink ears…
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
that's all I got....
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
pondering..
belz45:
If Yu Darvish attracts the asian market, does that mean Prince Fielder attracts the overweight market? #thingstoponder
D.C. has a rather low rate of obesity compared to most states.. #thingstoponder
if theyre trying to draw more from point south of nova...
kind of a toss up btw fielder and uber-hunter laroche
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man
Apparently the Ham Fighters are "very excited" at how high the bid was
http://twitter.com/#!/DKnobler/status/147110378961256448
In that case why don’t they just accept so we all don’t have to wait around!
Procedures
Ham to NPB commisoner’s office to MLB commisoner’s office. Also, time differences.
Heyman saying bid was sky high
Heyman said “If i had to guess on one team I would go with Toronto”
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
“better build, better delivery, more normal” than DiceK
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
sounds like a tv set
Ian Desmond is my hero!
by Mezza on Dec 14, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've got Yu under my skin...
STILL counting on Rizzo to
GO GOOFY FOR YU!
pleasepleaseplease…puh-lease.
"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011
by MissB on Dec 14, 2011 9:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
"sky high" and Rizzo don't seem to go together....
as well as GO GOOFY, RIZZO!!!
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Rizzo went totallly GOOFY for Werth.
I expect him to GO GOOFIER for Darvish…or I will be super unhappy (like Rizzo cares about that.)
"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011
by MissB on Dec 15, 2011 12:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
More non-updates:
@JeffPassan: “One GM whose team bid on Darvish believes Toronto’s the favorite. Another thinks it’s Cubs. One more says Mariners. The point: No one knows.”
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 9:33 PM EST reply actions
No News
An anonymous source speakingh on the condition of anonymity refused comment about Darvis.
I heard...
A person "with knowledge" said something similar...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
[clap, clap, clapclapclap]
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
will he tailor his uniform
and thus become the new Captain Tightpants?
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
Nah, just ate something...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure they're going to announce this [yawns]...
Any...minute...now...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
How long are people willing to wait around here?
Me, maybe another hour. Maybe longer if I can’t get to sleep soon enough.
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Dec 14, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
We may have to stay until 12/20...
I’ve stocked up on supplies…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
You and caffeine have a tough job...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Now 12:10 pm in Japan...
Don’t know if they got the bids promptly at 7:00am, but either way, five hours after deadline, no word out of Japan…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 10:12 PM EST reply actions
hmmmm.............was "sky high" code for Toronto?
BlueJays twitter is twittering….
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently one radio announcer up there claimed to have "knowledge" from "sources"...
But nothing confirmed from what I’m reading…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Reportedly, sources say the source had some knowledge of events...
But the sources about the sources spoke on the condition of anonymity.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
I heard
Sources close to the knowledgable source said that his source wasn’t able to comment on those sources. Unless under the condition of anoymity….
Ian Desmond is my hero!
But it was thoroughly sourced...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
seems to be Twitter Hysteria Night in Canada
spreads like wildfire…
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, Updates!
@susanslusser: “I am told the #Athletics did not bid on Yu Darvish. He’ll still help them – teams that lose bid are expected to go hard after Gio Gonzalez.”
Updated Rumor List:
Rumored in: Yanks, Jays, Cubs.
Rumored out: Red Sox, Orioles, Rays, Angels, Cards, Twins, Marlins. A’s.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 10:45 PM EST reply actions
Mike "Run Silent" Rizzo's at it again...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
We can neither confirm nor deny this.
(According to sources which may or may not have knowledge of a situation.)
{One ping]
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
CRAZY IVAN
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Dec 14, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he was a retired Star Fleet engineer.....
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Scotty would make a great bench coach....
aye, skipper…
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
He's kinda dead
not that that’s a disqualification …
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
Or hasn't been born, depending on how you look at it
Either way, logistical difficulties
The Highlander was a documentary...
And the events happened in real time!
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Dec 14, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
TREBEK!!!
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
The search continues...
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Dec 14, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Rules of dumb process...
One of many reasons Darvish not happy. Basically, Hokkaido Nippon Ham is getting paid for losing a player before he would normally become a free agent. Players don’t like because they think high posting fee costs them $ that would otherwise go to them, but goes to team instead.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
actually- its very soccer/football
The European/international transfer market works basically the same way. I suspect that’s where it’s come from. Only Nth America is really different. Soccerwise that is.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Hmm. Did not know that.
So it’s like the metric system?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Probably
How you guys can work out 3/4 of a rod of an league is beyond me…
Essentially its about compensation for a team who has trained and developed a player. Not so free market – but the Europeans are not fans of the free market (as we have seen!)
Ian Desmond is my hero!
You really have that wrong
It’s quite the opposite. European teams used to have a reserve clause like American sports did. So, when a contract ended, the team could still demand a transfer fee. Then, the European version of Curt Flood — Jean-Marc Bosman — wen to the European Court of Justice, claiming this was a violation of his rights as a European citizen — an illegal restriction on the free movement of workers within the European Union, as guaranteed by the EC treaty. The ECJ agreed.
Now, when a contract is up in Europe, the player is free to move — without any transfer fee needing to be paid to his former employer. In Europe, transfer fees only apply to players still under contract. The erason tehy’re still collected is that teams do try to get something of value by selling the contract before it expires and they lose all claim to the player.
There’s none of this nonsense that there is here about years of service and draft picks as compensation for lost free agents. It’s a far freer market for soccer players abroad then it is for professional athletes in every single team sport in this country, where we revere monopolies and corporate greed instead of the free market
Its not the opposite
See the link below.
What i was referrfing to was players under contract. I wasnt referrring to Bosman moves. Which to be honest was only recently brought in 1995. I guess we could argue whether Darvish is a free agent – im not sure as he seems to get sent back to his team if they dont agree? But in any event there seems to be a confusion over my remarks which we more about the idea of players under contract.
Also – see Solidarity contribution.
With the new CBA – the market for baseball players in free agency is about as free as footballers on free.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Darvish is not a fee agent
He would be free to sign with any team in Japan after one more year — and in two years, he would be free to move to the US without any posting fee.
So this isn’t like a Bosman situation — it’s a player who is still under contract, and his team is trying to negotiate a fee — which is like it is in footie, except that it’s a blind bid, the player has no choice to invite other bids instead and the “transfer” fee is paid upfront, irrespective of whether the player agrees to the move..
In that everyone does it one way but U.S...
Anyone? International humor?
[crickets, crickets]
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
You can pry my ruler denominated in inches from my cold dead fingers, Commie!
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Dec 14, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'll raise two gills of mead to that!
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, the systems are different
Players are intimately involved in transfer negotiations in the soccer world, and ultimately they decide whether to accept an offer from another team. It’s never a blind bidding process. The players don’t negotiate the transfer fee, but they do get a cut — usually 10% — and the contract has to be approved at the same time, assuming there’s a new deal. Sometimes, the player just wants out.from his current team, and sometimes it’s a loan deal that’s worked out (sometimes with an option to buy at the end of the season). And, yes, the team that owns the contract does get to decide if the other team is offering enough to transfer the contract.
I was making a lame joke about the Foo Fighters.
No that's not quite right
Especially in the European system. The club decides to accept the fee. The negotiations then occur with the player. I agree its not a ‘blind’ process but essentially its club deciding the fate of the player. Although I agree that its a brave club to keep players against their will – but it does happen and in some cases (see Collymore, Stan) with disasterous results.
Players agents are involved in some aspects of selling their clients – but a club can refuse to transfer a player. Pure and simple.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
I never said different
I wrote that “the team that owns the contract does get to decide if the other team is offering enough to transfer the contract..”
What I was saying was that players are involved in the negotiations. They don’t get selected by teams so much as it is a mutual decision. Now, it never happens that a contract is transferred to another team without the player’s agreement. The teams may agree on a transfer fee, but the transfer doesn’t happen without the player’s approval — so, the negotiations are virtually simultaneous. While the player may negotiate the terms of a deal after a transfer fee is accepted by the club, he will be involved in the original decision since he can decline to even talk to the other team if he doesn’t want to go there — and no fee is paid unless the player agrees to go.
This is different than the posting process where the other team decides to select Darvish, pays the Japanese team a transfer fee and then tries to convince him to come to that team.
Here u go
All you wanted (and did not want) to know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_(association_football)
Ian Desmond is my hero!
should i be shouted down for not hating on the posting process?
its not like we’re going to trade lannan and lombo to a japanese team as compensation for a player that they have that is not a free agent. money is about the only thing american teams can pay and posting fees will only go so high as their willing to pay.
of course the players hate it. im sure american players hate all sorts of things about our system and how it favors the teams, etc etc. draft caps in the new cba are likely not going over very well in college dugouts around the country.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man
I dont think you should
It means less for the player and the team shares in some of the value. Under the current model for US baseball – the teams only real revenue leverage is through marketing/attendance. It hurts small market teams hard. But thats kinda the free market at work. In some instances – under this system the team is rewarded for the players it develops – which helps small market teams compete by selling their stars and developing new stars. Ill leave you to work out whether one is better than the other. But if you were the GM of the Royals – I know which one id prefer.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
You keep saying it means less for the players
That depends on your perspective. Since he’s currently under contract, this process offers him a chance for a huge payday now that he wouldn’t get for another two years under the Japanese system.
He’s not a free agent. US teams could do something like what Darvish’s team is doing now in selling his services — it’s just that US teams typically trade a player for consideration like other players or draft picks. Rarely do you see an outright sale…though that does happen, especially in salary dump situations. The biggest difference is a cultural one, since US teams could sell contracts and don’t.
In this case, Darvish isn’t just being sold against his will. He gets to negotiate an entirely new deal, and has almost all the leverage. The only leverage the posting team has is that Darvish wants to come over now — not next year and not in two years. — and the team has exclusive negotiating rights. So, he might not be able to negotiate as big as a deal as he could if he were truly a free agent, but he’ll do pretty well for a guy who is still under contract for another year.
Your arguement is fishy.
First, while you are correct that Darvish is getting paid more, earlier in his career, it is unlikely that he will recover the amount of money that his team acquired given the huge posting fee.
Second, Darvish has almost no leverage in contract negotiations, because if the deal falls thorough, the team has lost only time spent bargaining. Darvish has lost the chance to play MLB another season and a pay raise. Factor that each year delaying the big pay-day, is one that Darvish could suffer career-ending injury, there are several reasons to ensure he signs. Obviously, he isn’t going to sign an insulting contract, but probably would sign one that was not ideal.
Thanks for the correction
I had forgotten that the fee is not paid if no deal is reached So, the MLB team has more leverage than I thought. Even still, this was the point I was making — that it depends on your perspective.
It’s likely he’ll make less than he might have over his career than if he waited until his contract ended (and he’d have to wait out still another year — possibly signing a one-year deal in Japan.) — but that’s his choice. He’d be opting to take what he’s being offered now, instead of waiting to do this again in a year or waiting two years until he’s free to sign in the USA with any team. He’s taking the chance that he will make more by striking now, while the iron is hot, and also possibly having the chance to negotiate a subsequent deal in the US at a younger age than if he waited the two years before signing that first USA deal.
He might make more money in the long run, this way, depending on how he does. Also, given what happens to pitchers’ arms, it seems like a pretty smart choice to go for a deal now.
I believe that Mezza was saying that
it means less for the player than if he was generally granted free agency or could flee Japan and become a free agent like a Cuban defector. This is objectively true, however, as you correctly note, the MLB doesn’t allow free agency until after seven years of service time (though with significant pressure for long-term deals on top players through the arb proccess).
I would have a great deal less of a problem with the posting process if it weren’t a blind bid. That portion of the equation seems entirely unnecessary, and greedy on the part of the JPL.
Also you keep refering to some mythical "free market"
What’s “free” about a system that requires players to remain with their team even after their contract is up? That forces them into an arbitration with a team that continues to “own” the player? Or that limits their ability to negotiate with other teams until they’ve met some minimum years of service — and that offers the teams some draft picks in compensation if they do sign with another team?
For that matter, what’s “free” about a system that forces prospective pro athletes into a draft and requires them to negotiate only with the team that drafts them, without any possibility of a better offer from another team?
What’s free about the market for professional baseball players when the teams in the AL and NL have an absolute monopoly domestically and there isn’t any realistic prospect of playing abroad either?
While soccer players abroad do typically sign contracts earlier in life, they’re not bound to re-up with the same team, and they are under no restriction about the number of teams they could talk to about that initial development deal.
Well I was talking about the free agents market – which by in large is a free market. There is little barriers to entry/exit. Now that Type A free agents are less common – what isnt free about the free agent market? The draft picks are nowhere near as restrictive under the new CBA. More so I dont see it as a huge barrier to price as the Angels and Albert Pujols will now attest.
Outside of that I think I was being pretty clear – I dont know why you happened to take my comments pretty much out of context. I was referring to the fact that in free agency, small teams are unable to compete with big teams and a posting system ensures that the club receives something in return for their players. It has merits and challenges. But I think it was pretty clear that when I was referring to free agency – it is largely a free market with some slight barriers around draft picks which have been now severely watered down. That said, the luxury tax is a barrier- but more of a soft salary cap than hard cap.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Have some things to take care of, will be tracking the Twitters if anything comes up...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 11:06 PM EST reply actions
@JohnSheaHey: "#SFGiants did not put in a bid for Yu Darvish."
Rumored in: Yanks, Jays, Cubs.
Rumored out: Red Sox, Orioles, Rays, Angels, Cards, Twins, Marlins. A’s, Giants.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 11:15 PM EST reply actions
FYI: Shea is SF Chronicle beat writer
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
We're up to 5%!
Already doing better than John Huntsman
No Mets!!!
http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2011/12/14/breaking-mets-do-not-bid-on-yu-darvish/
“More on this story as it develops, which it won’t, since the Mets didn’t bid.”
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Back in a while...
#signDarvish
#[Rizzo Points To Head]
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 14, 2011 11:24 PM EST reply actions
i indeed hope he is in 2 years
because:
a) Yu is starting game 1 of the NLCS for the nats to save stras and JZ for multiple starts in the WS
or
b) Yu is a total bust for some other team
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man
I wouldn't mind Yu starring for Toronto in the AL East...if the Nats fail.
but they had Halladay and didn’t win, so he’d be a waste…
I vote a)…
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Some of us are Yankee fans too, ya know...
…so I wouldn’t want that. Though of course I don’t expect much sympathy around here lol.
This Toronto team is (or is going to be) better than the one with Halladay, however.
Yankees?........are they in that league that plays like four outfielders or something equally crazy?
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
I assume you're referring to the DH?
In that case, no. The Yankees will be playing someone making 20M who is too old to play a position for the next 6 years or so.
yeah........a guy who can hit, but.not.field fascinating...
you’ll have to be more specific about too old guys making $20mil ……..oh, Alex?
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 14, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
it's going to be a revolving door...
Posada this year (ok, he couldn’t hit, but give me some leeway), then eventually A-Rod, then even Jeter.
Not that I'm an American League fan...
But is that really that much sillier than having a guy in the defense (a pitcher) who can’t hit?
To finish...
Is that really that much sillier than having a guy in the defense (a pitcher) who can’t hit, but still has to bat?
it's been part of the game that every player bats....
it’s actually really exciting when a pitcher gets a hit…didn’t Milone homer on the first pitch he’d ever seen…
My solution is both DH and pitcher bat in the interleague exhibition games…
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Milone's homer was possibly the coolest thing I have seen at a live game.
I am a big Milone fan. I watched with my friend, a loyal Mets fan, so it was a great thing to see the look on his face when the rookie pitcher jacks his team for 3 runs on his first MLB pitch.
I agree
I love seeing a pitcher bat – adds something to the game – as managers/players looks to maximise production from the spot. And there is no real reason that pitchers couldnt do more to work on their batting. Watching guys like Livo made the game that more exciting.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
I had just re-watched it along with a bunch of other highlights.......
(Bernadina catches and Ankiel throws…….+)…
but, live?!?….wow…
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Poor kid.
There was no way from there but down.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
Hoyt Wilhelm's only HR of his career was on his first at bat
But he still made Cooperstown :-)
That was a cool sight
I was there (also with a loyal Mets fan), and the place went wild. Of course, I threw my arms into the air in celebration and that’s when I discovered just how screwed up my shoulder was …
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
Dang, ot
"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011
by MissB on Dec 15, 2011 12:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Dang, I'm falling asleep and waiting anxiously
To hear about Yu (on the east coast so it’s past midnight).
Rizzo, I sure hope you grabbed ALL the LernerBuck$ for Yu.
"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011
by MissB on Dec 15, 2011 12:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd like to skip over the usual "we came in 2nd" speech this time...
and no combination of “fair”, and “honest effort”, and “number we could live with”….
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Well, let's see what the number is before bashing Rizzo
I mean if some team offered $95 million, then I’m pretty sure we want to walk away. Though I am fairly sure Rizzo would drop the usual speech for “can you believe those guys?”
if you insist...
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Tell me again
After Ham Fighters count the zeros after the $ sign and toast to their good fortune, what else are they doing that takes sooooooo loooooong?
by FreddieBallgame on Dec 15, 2011 12:35 AM EST reply actions
My guess....
The Ham Fighters already know their decision. The only reasons I can think for waiting is to make it seem they have something to think about — to not seem so anxious to accept an offer, because they don’t want to drive down prices in future postings, or to not seem too hasty in rejecting the bid — but the latter doesn’t seem likely.
I Japan, getting hammered after good fortune at work is night long affair...
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
So we have to wait
until the day AND night go by over there? [tries to count hours on fingers without dozing off]
by FreddieBallgame on Dec 15, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
sake doesn't drink itself, you know...
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
I thought Nippon Ham didn't know the team just the bid amount.
Perhaps the commissioner’s office is the one that announces? If so, I’m guessing Bud isn’t really up at this hour.
That's correct
Selig to NPB commisioner: Only the amount
NPB commish to Ham: Only the amount
Ham to NPB commish: Yes
NPB commish to Selig (asleep): Yes
That’s where we are stuck.
SELIG!!!
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
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