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Washington Nationals' Involvement A Mystery, Winning Bid For Yu Darvish A Mystery Too.

The 5:00 pm EST deadline to submit bids for the rights to negotiate with Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters' right-hander Yu Darvish passed this afternoon without any announcement of which MLB team had submitted the highest bid. There was some talk that the identiy of the winning bidder would be revealed either Wednesday night or this (Thursday) morning, but as of 5:00 am EST (6:50 pm in Japan) twelve hours after the deadline, no such report had emerged. MLB officials, following the procedures of the posting process, were to have informed the Fighters' owners of the high bid at 5:00 pm EST or 7:00 am in Japan on Wednesday.

One of the 25-year-old pitcher's agents, Don Nomura (@DonNomura), explained the process on Twitter just after the deadline passed, writing that, "Bidding time came and gone. MLB send(s) high bid to [Japan], 4 [business] days to respond to bid then winner announced. Long wait."

Hokkaido Nippon Ham has until next Tuesday to announce the results of the bidding...

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The four day period to submit bids for the posting fee for 29-year-old Seibu Lions' infielder Hiroyuki Nakajima ended on December 3, 2011, but the highest bidders, the New York Yankees, weren't announced as such until four days later on December 7th. Last winter, the deadline for 29-year-old Rakuten Golden Eagles' right-hander Hisashi Iwakuma was on November 5th. Iwakuma too was represented by Don Nomura, who reported via Twitter two days later that the Oakland A's had submitted the winning bid.

The majority of reports last night were from beat writers around the country who'd been told their respective teams hadn't submitted bids. Boston Globe writer Nick Cafardo (@NickCafardo) wrote on Twitter that the Red Sox had not in the end submitted a bid. Star Tribune Twins beat writer Joe Christensen (@JoeChristensen) ruled Minnesota out. MASNSports.com's Rich Kubatko wrote Baltimore out in an article entitled, "Orioles passing on Darvish, introducing Wada Thursday."

Mr. Kubatko's colleague at MASNSports.com, Pete Kerzel wrote at around the same time in an article entitled, "Deadline passes, Rizzo mum on Darvish", that Washington Nationals' GM Mike Rizzo had declined to comment on whether or not the Nats' submitted a bid for Darvish in an appearance Rizzo made on MASN Wednesday after the deadline had passed. While the Nats remained silent about their intentions, Chicago Tribune writer Phil Rogers (@ChicTribRogers) reported that a source told him the Cubs had in fact submitted a bid. ESPN.com's Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) wrote that in spite of recent comments downplaying their interest, the New York Yankees too had submitted a bid, though it was later said to be "modest."

Seven or eight hours after the deadline passed, the reports finally slowed down. The LA Angels did not bid. Neither did the Tampa Bay Rays. The St. Louis Cardinals did not submit a bid. CBSSports.com's Danny Knobler (@DKnobler) had the one sort-of-update of the night that had everyone talking. "Still don't know what the number of winning bid for Darvish was," Mr. Knobler wrote on Twitter, "but sources say the [Nippon Ham] Fighters were very excited by how high it was." Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) too heard the Fighters would likely be happy, as he reported on Twitter that the, "Rumor is, at least [one] Darvish bid was "sky" high. may have been 'north' of $50M. again, unconfirmed."

Twelve hours after the deadline to submit bids passed, this is where the rumors and anonymous sources had things:

Rumored in: Yanks, Jays, Cubs.

Rumored out: Red Sox, Orioles, Rays, Angels, Cards, Twins, Marlins. Mets, A’s, Giants.

The Yankees, Jays, Rangers and Cubs were all believed to have submitted bids, with Texas and Toronto still viewed as front runners in most reports. Still no word from the Washington Nationals. How long will the baseball world have to wait to learn which team wins the right to negotiate with Yu Darvish? Some reports said the answer could come out as early as this morning, but as noted the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters have until next Tuesday at 5:00 pm EST to accept the bid. Then the winning team has 30 days to work out a deal. Where will Yu Darvish be pitching when the 2012 season begins?

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Toshimasa Shimada, a Ham representative, is reported to have said, “There is nothing we say at this point. We will proceed according to the regulation.”
http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/baseball/npb/news/20111215-OHT1T00155.htm

Obviously, Ham hasn’t replied back.

by infimum on Dec 15, 2011 5:32 AM EST reply actions  

I thought the translation was fine...

[Representative Shimada, “to say that respect the will of the principal, also as you ignore the value. And have a positive say it, the value of his, including the value of the team, be negative in many places,” said showed a cautious stance.]

Of course!

by John Yarchoan on Dec 15, 2011 7:13 AM EST reply actions  

Sounds like political talk.

He’s evading the question. Occupy Yu.

I bet the Yankees get him. No way the Nats get him. (Preparing for the letdown)

by RoscoeNats on Dec 15, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I doubt the Yankees get him.

They would prefer to sign proven players for big money. They leave the risks for the teams that have to take them.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Dec 15, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Mystery Team

Writers add that so they can say “We told you so” at the end.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 15, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Like the Angels

They claim to not have been involved until the last 48 hours with Prince. But for the 5 days there was a mystery team.

still can’t believe you can go from not interested to spending 254 million in a 48 hour people. sounds like someone with impulsive behavior is running that org.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 15, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Pujols.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Dec 15, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

yes, my bad Thanks.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 15, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Was wondering this the other day.

From the NYT:

The last pitcher of Darvish’s stature to be posted was Daisuke Matsuzaka. In 2006, the Boston Red Sox won the bidding for Matsuzaka by offering $51,111,111.11, which was paid to the Seibu Lions after Boston signed him to a five-year, $50 million contract. Boston’s bid was well over the next-highest one, a $39 million offer posted by the Mets.

by RoscoeNats on Dec 15, 2011 8:51 AM EST reply actions  

And they use this as

A market setting payment. It always seems like what has been done can’t be undone in the MLB. If Dice-K was a bust, how come that 50 mil. figure can’t decrease knowing full well he isn’t worth that much?

I mean, in the 5 years in the MLB, his value hasn’t even reached the bid price. Forget the contract.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 15, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Possible to take this news so many ways

And by news I mean, no news. Not sure what benefits teams have by staying quiet. Does it matter if we know Nats bid or not at this point? The bid is done with. Perhaps it would change the “Ham’s” decision making process? Not sure why, they just get cash in the end. It could effect Yu’s decision, but his role doesn’t start until they accept the bid.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 15, 2011 8:51 AM EST reply actions  

i guess if they didnt win and no one ever knows if they really bid

theres some infinitesimal strategic advantage to be gaining next time the posting process comes around

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man

by TJL on Dec 15, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Every time I hit the POST button, I think of Yu.

I found a picture of Yu,
Those were the happiest days of my life.

=======

If I had a photograph of Yu,
It’s something to remind me.
I wouldn’t spend my life just wishing

by RoscoeNats on Dec 15, 2011 8:57 AM EST reply actions  

iPhone, thou art annoying at times

A reason for the delay may be that Nippon Ham is hoping the twitterverse will discover the bidder. This is especially true if the high bid is truly out there, as they try to determine whether the bid is serious.

by d_c_guy on Dec 15, 2011 9:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Does it matter though?

What is done is done. If they don’t accept the bid its not like they ask for a reposting. They have to wait anyways. I am not sure what they are waiting for. Maybe I just don’t understand how this process truly works.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 15, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

But they may be trying to curry favor with Darvish

Remember his comment about wanting the bid not to be high, because he felt that would cut into the contract that he would be offered? If they have a sense that the bid isn’t serious, or that the team won’t be able to afford a high contract on top of the posting fee, then they may make a show of declining the bid to honor Darvish’s position.

And the flip side of all this is – what do they have to lose by waiting a couple of days?

by d_c_guy on Dec 15, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the teams most interested are...

Blue Jays
Cubs
Rangers
Bosox
Nats

Blue Jays – They are in the AL East, with some major heavyweights, and have recently worked hard to acquire pitching talent. (Drabek for example). But the pitching talent hasn’t been that #1 quality they are really looking for (Drabek for example). If they are going to push, and they should with Bautista/Lowrie etc., they need a number one or two starter.

(Post note: I am sorry but this is a perfect example as to why you trade your pitching prospects for MLB starters. Look at Halladay and look at what they got in return. Drabek is good, but he isn’t close to Roy Halladay, and is squirling as a starter in the MLB)

Cubs – Natural fit, I think Epstein is not scared off of making a splash and his resume allows him to. They need pitching and they need a number 1. Zambrano, Dempster, Garza are all fine middle of the staff guys, but are all overpaid and are about to find new homes. They have a shallow farm system and need to keep their draft picks and continue to build. But they have plenty of money.

Rangers – Two years, two AL championships, and no rings. You have the same lineup, but for how long. You just need pitching to get you there. I don’t think that CJ Wilson was the “reason” they got there but he has been pretty good. Adding Yu has to look like a move capable of putting them over the top.

BoSox – The Yankees have the resources, but I think you have to look at Boston with Bobby V. as the favorites between these two clubs. Bobby has managed in Japan, knows how to relate with Japanese players (has won championships there I believe) and has coached against Yu Darvish. He is very well aware of his abilities.

Nats – While I am hopeful, I only see this as a splash move. I don’t think the Nats really need Darvish to compete because of Stras and Zimm potentially being one of the best 1/2’s in the league. I’d hate to see Darvish hinder their ability to resign Zimmerman etc. But since we really don’t know their monetary ceiling its hard to tell what they can afford long-term.

I think the favorites have to be Boston. He makes the most sense there financially. They are trying to re-establish their rotation with Lackey having TJ. And I think Bobby V. gives them alot of leverage in the actual deal with Yu Darvish and his acclimation to the U.S.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 15, 2011 9:14 AM EST reply actions  

I didn't mention the Yanks

Basically because I see them and Boston as equivalents.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 15, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

that totally ruins my whole write up.

The other side of the entire of the argument is that many GM’s just don’t think he’ll be that good.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 15, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Nats Insider Board

Someone said they heard on Sportstalk 980 that the Nats didn’t put in a bid for Darvish.

That would really suck.

Diz

by Dizzy_Dean on Dec 15, 2011 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

I'd love to hear Rizzo explain

Its perfectly possible… Maybe they don’t think he’ll acclimate well. Totally possible.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 15, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Might have been Comak

@acomak Amanda Comak
Difficult to say w/certainty at this point but feeling is #nats may not have bid on Darvish. According to reports out of Japan, 4 teams did.

Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.

by souldrummer on Dec 15, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if that’s a case of reporters doing subtraction.

by RoscoeNats on Dec 15, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

You have to wonder

If the Mets and Bosox both had no interest in bidding you have to wonder about what GM’s think of Yu Darvish. Bobby V. and Terry Collins coached in Japan and against Yu. If he was such a beast then you have to think they’d be arguing their butts off for this guy.

While the Mets may be cash poor, at least they can bid 20 mil or something?

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 15, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I trust the rumors not so much at this point

Like I said in the last thread, I think it’s going to be someone that’s unconfirmed for a bid, but has expressed some interest. I’m still saying Rangers.

Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.

by souldrummer on Dec 15, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't read this right now

http://twitter.com/#!/Evan_P_Grant/status/147338112371138560

Can someone cut/paste it for me?

I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general

by short_shifter on Dec 15, 2011 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

Reply fail- posted below!

by 8vechkin on Dec 15, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

@Evan_P_Grant

The “buzz” is that Toronto had whopper of offer on Darvish. Many reasons for Jays to bid more than $50mm. Believe Rangers bid. Prob. in $40s

by 8vechkin on Dec 15, 2011 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

Well $50 million Canadian is only $48,295,180 American dollars.

Bargain city.

by RoscoeNats on Dec 15, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

$50,000,000 (upfront cash) just for the right to offer a contract to a Japanese ballplayer?

Connie Mack is vomiting in his grave.

"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'" - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Dec 16, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, Connie Mack was a cheap bastard who preferred to sell his stars for cash rather than pay them

So you’re probably right – he probably is taking it rather poorly. But no more poorly than he probably took A-Rod’s contract, or Pujols’s. He’s been spinning for years now.

by d_c_guy on Dec 16, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair to say - but this deal has a special wrinkle all it's own

For $50M, Darvish could light cigars with thousand-dollar bills for the next hundred years – assuming smoking don’t kill him first. Lot of dough, but the real point is that this fifty million smackers is not for a contract to pay a player at all; it simply buys the right to make an offer of a contract to that player. If that don’t strike ye’ as bit wild I don’t know what will.

"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'" - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Dec 16, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, at least they get it back if he doesn’t sign. And I guess 10 or 15 million of the posting fee probably buys out the last couple years of Darvish’s current contract. See, not so bad.

UGH

by RoscoeNats on Dec 16, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Hm, since ye' put it like that, the deal ain't half bad...

then again, latest word is that Rizzo did not rise to the bait – so, as Phil the bartender persists in saying, “The point is mute.”

Hear that strange, angry snap in the air? It’s the bullet we just dodged.

"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'" - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Dec 16, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

For those looking for a way to kill time while waiting for news

John Sickels at minor league ball has started a discussion thread about the Nationals farm system as he prepares his annual prospects review.

It’s always fun to read other fans and baseball geeks say nice things about the Nationals’ future :-)

by d_c_guy on Dec 15, 2011 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

LPUT...

Lunchtime links up…Darvish? Yu-hoo? Darvish? MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT!!!

FWIW: MLB Network Radio promos saying decision expected today.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 15, 2011 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

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