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Wire Taps: Did Washington Nationals Bid On Yu Darvish? Baseball World Waits For Announcement On Winning Bid...

• Just waiting...Well, there's still no word on whether or not the Washington Nationals actually placed a bid on 25-year-old right-hander Yu Darvish. The Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters have until Tuesday (12/20) to announce which team placed the highest bid and won the right to negotiate a deal with the starter. It didn't take that long for the news to come out the last few times NPB players entered into the posting process, but 19 hours after the deadline to submit bids for Darvish there's still no word. The Rangers, Jays, Yankees and Cubs are believed to have submitted bids, but there are a dozen or more teams (including the Nats) that haven't said either way whether or not they're involved. Keep your eye on the Twitter...If the Nationals don't win or didn't submit a bid, do they move on to Roy Oswalt. Forget about adding an arm? The suspense...the suspense...the links...

• THE BIG STORY:

• "There is mystery surrounding the submissions considering there is no current favorite for Darvish. A number of teams have been rumored to possess interest in the Japanese star." - "Yu Darvish's fate now in hands of Japanese team" - Jon Star, MLB.com: News

• NATS BEAT:

• "After engaging in occasional trade discussions involving B.J. Upton for about a year, the Nationals and Rays have seemingly reached a point where talks have stagnated." - "As Nationals search for a center fielder, the Rays appear unlikely to trade B.J. Upton" - Adam Kilgore, Nationals Journal - The Washington Post

Star-divide

• "'Darvish is better than Matsuzaka,' [Ira] Stevens said. 'Everyone who’s seen Darvish knows Darvish is better than Matsuzaka...'" - "Nationals GM Mike Rizzo keeping tabs on Yu Darvish" - Amanda Comak, Washington Times

• "Many times, if you make the right choices for your bench this time of year, it can reap short-term return if you trade them at the trading deadline for future prospects..." - "Nationals interested in Mike Cameron and Greg Dobbs, among others" - Byron Kerr, MASNSports.com

• "The Cubs placed a qualifying bid for the rights to 25-year-old Japanese right-hander Yu Darvish before the Thursday afternoon deadline ending his posting period..." - "Chicago Cubs: Chicago Cubs put bid in for Yu Darvish" - Phil Rogers, Chicago Tribune

• "With the deadline for bids for Yu Darvish now in the past, I thought it was time to see what all the fuss is about. The headline possibilities are almost endless..." - "What they like about Yu (Darvish)" - Jonathan Mayo, B3: Big, Bald and Beautiful

• "The Nationals have been in D.C. for seven years now, and during that time they've handed out a whopping two contracts whose total value exceeded $20 million..." - "The largest contracts in Nats history" - Mark Zuckerman, NatsInsider.com

• "After four years of use, "the grass became compacted and the decision was made to replace it with a fresh new surface of the same type of Kentucky Blue..." - "The new grass at Nationals Park" - Dan Steinberg, DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post

• "While some sources indicate that the Nippon-Ham Fighters could announce the winning bid later tonight or early tomorrow, one of Darvish's representatives appears to have thrown cold water on that notion..." - "Deadline passes, Rizzo mum on Darvish" - Pete Kerzel, MASNSports.com

• "The Nationals have not revealed whether they submitted a bid or not, but general manager Mike Rizzo spoke highly of Darvish at last week's Winter Meetings..." - "Bidding for Darvish ends, wait begins" - Mark Zuckerman, NatsInsider.com

• "Pitchers and catchers report Feb. 19, 67 days from now." - "Nationals finalize spring training schedule" - Adam Kilgore, Nationals Journal - The Washington Post

• "5. Nationals: They've gone for the home run before, and no one would be shocked if they made a late play here." - "Notebook: Rangers might grab Fielder with kick at the finish" - Jon Heyman, CBSSports.com Baseball News, Scores, Stats, Schedule and Standings

• NATS WINTER/MINOR LEAGUES:

• Liga Mexicana del Pacifico: Guasave 2, Mazatlan 1 - Rafael Martin (MAZ) - 2.0 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 1 K - Box Score.

• Liga de Beisbol Profesional de Puerto Rico: Carolina 2, Ponce 1 - Joe Testa (PON) - 1.1 IP, 1 BB - Box Score.

• "Minor-League Signings" - NationalsProspects.com

• "The big draw here is, of course, the phenomenal slugger Bryce Harper, the best prospect in baseball. But there is considerable talent beyond Harper, beginning with Anthony Rendon, Alex Meyer, and Brian Goodwin from the 2011 draft." - "Washington Nationals Organization Discussion" - John Sickels, Minor League Ball

• Your Daily Message From The Dalai Lama On Twitter (@DalaiLama): "If developing qualities like love, compassion, generosity and patience, is to be effective, we must put them into practice in our daily life."

• NATSTOWN:

• "Yuniesky Maya - Age 30 - MLB Service Time 0.07 years. How He Became A Nat: Signed as an international free agent on July 31, 2010. He is a Cuban defector." - "A Few Good Men: 42 - Maya" - Sean, Capitol Baseball

• "When we last checked in with Bryce Harper this offseason, he was lounging by a pool in the Bahamas and rooting on the Yankees in the playoffs." - "Just Bryce Harper asking Robinson Cano to swing it with him on Twitter, no biggie." - Nats Enquirer

• "For almost every pitcher there is a discrepancy between how many pitches that pitcher had called as a ball and those that actually were a ball. For some, such as Livan Hernandez, that discrepancy is huge." - "'Strike' is Just a Six Letter Word" - Bryce Wilson Stucki, The Nats Blog

• NL EAST UPDATES:

Braves: "At this point in the off-season we're reduced to speculating on who will be the Atlanta Braves utility infielder." - "Braves Interested In Ronny Cedeno" - gondeee, Talking Chop

Marlins: "The wild card is the retractable roof. The Marlins have done studies on how the ball will travel with the roof open as opposed to closed, but Samson said the results were inconclusive." - "Miami Marlins executives hope new stadium will be pitcher-friendly" - Joe Capozzi, Palm Beach Post

Phillies: "It's December 14th, a typically fun day in recent Phillies history, and the team's longtime shortstop Jimmy Rollins still is not under contract." - "Dear Phillies: It's Time to Bring Jimmy Rollins Home" - Whole Camels, The Good Phight

Mets: "Bridge loan, meet bridge ballplayers. Andres Torres (under team control for two more years) and Ramon Ramirez (one year) will be gone by the time the Mets are ready to contend." - "Bridge loan, bridge ballplayers, bridge years" - Andy Martino, New York Daily News

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THE HAMMER GOT PAID

I’m happy for him. Seems like a great guy. I bet he’ll fit right in.

Outfielder Josh Willingham and the Minnesota Twins have agreed to a $21 million, three-year contract.
The Twins announced the deal shortly after Willingham passed a physical on Thursday. The 32-year-old should bring some much-needed pop to the middle of the batting order. He hit .246 with a career-high 29 homers and 98 RBIs for the Oakland Athletics last season.

The Twins were looking for more power from the right side of the plate after trading Delmon Young to the Tigers last season. Willingham has topped 20 homers four times in six full major league seasons.

His signing could mean the end of Michael Cuddyer’s run in Minnesota. Twins GM Terry Ryan said this week that the team has not ruled out Cuddyer’s return.

(From FOX Sports)

by RoscoeNats on Dec 15, 2011 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

Just a guess

He’ll be a lot more valuable over the next three years than HRod.

Just a guess.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Dec 15, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

But

the Nationals are going to cash in on Corey Brown.

by chubias on Dec 15, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Odds are you're right - but of course it's a false comparison

Because if the Nationals wanted three years of the Hammer for $21 million, they could have purchased it even while retaining HRod and Corey Brown. They didn’t, though. And frankly, an NL team that doesn’t have a DH spot to periodically enable Willingham to hide his glove and rest his injuries isn’t going to get as much out of him as an AL team.

The Nationals tried to deal Willingham in 2010 and ultimately had to settle for HRod and Brown because no one offered any more for the right to pay Willingham $6 million to play baseball for one year (2010). Oakland tried to deal him again at the trade deadline, and got no takers.

by d_c_guy on Dec 15, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't believe Minnesota paid so much

Given what you just detailed, fact of the matter is that two teams tried to deal him and were unable to. If you want to fault the Nats with anything, it’s that they didn’t deal him before the deadline in 2010 when his value was at its peak, but even that’s just splitting hairs.

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Dec 15, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

But to use the common rubric we say here about Darvish, at this stage it's "only money"

There’s no additional cost in draft choices or in prospects for the right to pay Josh $21 million over three years. If the Twins needed to give up real prospects for the right to pay him, they wouldn’t have done the deal. They didn’t, so they did.

by d_c_guy on Dec 15, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

*sigh* That's $6 million for one year (2011), of course

I am quite happy for Willingham, though. With Werth and Harper slated for the corners in DC he had no position to play here.

by d_c_guy on Dec 15, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if Oakland got "no takers",

or if they simply priced themselves out of range, assuming that Hammer would be a Type A.

Regardless, my point was, of course, that, the Nats could have signed Hammer last year (possibly for less than what the Twins got him for), and they would have been a better team in 2011 and beyond than they were because they got Rodriguez.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Dec 15, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

We've been through this before

Where would you play him? Even conceding in 2011 that the Nationals could have moved Morse or Willingham to first and just not signed your favorite whipping boy to play first base, that doesn’t address the issue of where to put the two of them in 2012 and beyond when Harper comes up. Unless you are willing to commit to Werth as the long term answer in CF, rather than as a fallback position.

by d_c_guy on Dec 15, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Heck,

I’d be perfectly happy with Willingham/Werth/Harper OF with Morse at first. OK, maybe not PERFECTLY happy, but I would be happier than I am with what we got instead.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Dec 15, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think we know what we have yet.

That the Nationals signed Adam LaRoche was mistake, doesn’t change that Willingham was having a career year, and that we got to viable talents for the organization. Obviously, Brown hasn’t returned the form that had him at .320/.415/.502 and HRod was the wildest pitcher in MLB. If HRod develops some control, then we’ll have got a great deal. If he doesn’t then it will be a flop. If Brown comes back from this staph infection thing, then he might be a real producer.

by chubias on Dec 15, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree. I haven’t given up on HROD. I think missing so much of spring training set him back. This year, let’s hope he doesn’t have visa issues.

by RoscoeNats on Dec 15, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree...I predict a big improvement in 2012 for him...

If Davey learns how to use him better (hint-not 4 days out of 5 for multiple innings each time).

And Hammer spent plenty of time on the DL and as a DH in the better weather of Oakland. He’s not durable enough for a full season in the NL. AND he plays really BAD D. An OF of Hammer, Morseand Werth woild make your eyes bleed…OUCH. NOT part of the SPAD formula.

"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011

by MissB on Dec 15, 2011 11:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And Morse would have been stuck on the bench

"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3

by BinM on Dec 15, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Do not sell HRod short

Much remains to be seen.

"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'" - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Dec 15, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

First time he wildly plunks some guy in the head

it’ll be all over for him.

My prediction.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Dec 15, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe it's just the Thai food talking

But my gut is telling me that the Nats didn’t win the bidding for Darvish, hopefully they’ll be able to sign Oswalt, although I’m intrigued by both Edwin Jackson and Hiroki Kuroda.

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Dec 15, 2011 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Disagree a little

I’d say Oswalt and Kuroda are a pick’em depending on medicals, but Jackson is a real sleeper who could get better instead of declining like the other two.

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Dec 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

"...and Orlando Hudson are very available, but they're also drawing very little interest."

ah, remember when Hudson was the answer to our dreams?

"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...

by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

sigh

he was my darvish at one point

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man

by TJL on Dec 15, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

yes indeed......if we couldn't get Belliard or Baerga back, then I was willing to go with Hudson...

"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...

by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He could play on the others' off days....

"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...

by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

From Eno Sarris at Fangraphs...

Zimmermann = Darvish?

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 15, 2011 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

"I'm a little bit country, his a little bit rock n roll."

Z = Peppermint scnapps
D = Sake
Z = No expression
D = Smiles and laughter
Z = Winsconsin cheese and beer
D = Raw fish and rice wine
Z = water
D = not water

by Berndaddy on Dec 15, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I read that

But trying to normalize stats from the NBL to the MLB is near impossible. I think Darvish will be good, but I think Zimmermann will be better and the only reason Darvish will get paid is because baseball has been allowed to suppress the earning potential of young players and the fact that there’s no international draft. If Zimmermann was in the same situation, he’d get $20-$30M more than Darvish.

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Dec 15, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll bet the Nats did Post a Bid for Yu

My reason is this… they would be jumping all over signing Oswalt rather than waiting around.

by natexpo on Dec 15, 2011 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

I'm almost certain they posted a bid

Just don’t think it’s the winning bid. Also, if Oswalt is smart he’ll wait for the market to thin out before signing with anyone.

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Dec 15, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

#mysterynats?:

@JonHeymanCBS: “signs strong jays & rangers did make serious bids for yu darvish. but could be a #mysteryteam. #yankees bid said modest.”

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 15, 2011 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

Mystery Team, Seriously?

I guess it was probably the Dallas Mavericks, if they won’t let Cuban in, he’ll just start buying players.

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Dec 15, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

There's always a #mysteryteam...

that allows the national baseball writers to take shelter behind, don’t you know?

"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3

by BinM on Dec 15, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

#mysteryteam?: More for writers to hide behind? Or agents to pretend there's competition?

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 15, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s a #mysterysmell down the hall from my office and I hope it’s reheated leftover fish.

by RoscoeNats on Dec 15, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

JonHeymanCBS

“signs strong jays & rangers did make serious bids for yu darvish. but could be a #mysteryteam. #yankees bid said modest.”
2 minutes ago

"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...

by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

Some good news for RobBobS (I suppose)

from Keith Law’s chat today:

In your honest opinion, where does Prince end up?

Klaw (2:12 PM) Wild guess? I don’t chase those rumors at all, so this is pure speculation. I’d say Seattle or Washington.

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Dec 15, 2011 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

Dang, I missed a Klaw chat…

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Dec 15, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

What are KLaw's error ratios?

Type 1: 25%. Type 2: 43%.

My guess. But thanks nonetheless. ;-)

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Dec 15, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there an alpha for snark?

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Dec 15, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

With talks on Upton stagnated...

and less than 30 minutes left in the posting time for Aoki left – Do it now Rizzo, do it now! Pull the trigger on a $10M posting fee for Aoki & see where the cards fall.

"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3

by BinM on Dec 15, 2011 4:28 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I would be okay with that

After all, it’s just money.

But still, compared to what’s out there Aoki looks like a worthwhile gamble.

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Dec 15, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope Rizzo jumps in front of a camera to announce he's won the Aoki posting....

right after the Blue Jays announce you know what…

"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...

by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Donovan to Everton on a loan

Good stuff. I’m telling everybody…

by fischy on Dec 15, 2011 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

OK Landon, back to the big time

Now Go score some goals and play a little defense even, take the pressure off Tim Howard

by FreddieBallgame on Dec 15, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

looks like jays got him

BREAKING #MLB NEWS*** The Toronto Blue Jays have been informed that they have won the Yu Darvish bidding. #IBN
dont know how reliable they are i just found this

by meech on Dec 15, 2011 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

breaking on the India Broadcast Network?.........oh, the Incarcerated Bob Network... (?)

Incarcerated Bob
uncarceratedbob <a href="mailto:Incarceratedbobgmail.com" target="_blank">Incarceratedbob@gmail.com
Breaking Sports News- Faster Then Mainstream Media WFAN660 Radio #IBN Sports Network:Personality on (Boomer&Carton) : (Haters) Tell em why u really mad..
http://www.rotoinfo.com/blog/nfl-breaking-news-timeline.html

"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...

by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

or on any of the BlueJays' twitter feeds I've stumbled upon...

IBob’s insider info is as good as his profile I copied and pasted….

"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...

by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

My impression of Incarcerated Bob is...

That he reads all the rumors and then releases “transactions” as being done and then just crows about the stuff that turns out right. Apparently, there have been a bunch where he was wrong as well.

I doubt very seriously that if the Blue Jays had been informed of this that it would not be out there by now.

by Nats113437 on Dec 15, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed...........

apparently there is a bad side to Twitter…

"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...

by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

However

The Jays seem to be building up a lot of circumstantial evidence on Twitter…

It seems rather convincing.

I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general

by short_shifter on Dec 15, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the bloggers and tweeters are reporting on each others' tweets and blogs

it’s called a circle something or other…

"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...

by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

#whiteflag

I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general

by short_shifter on Dec 15, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Tuesday

DKnobler DKnobler
The latest on Darvish, with Fighters expected to accept bid on Tuesday: bit.ly/ujd9VU

I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general

by short_shifter on Dec 15, 2011 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

Expanded link

http://danny-knobler.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/8590096/33881643

I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general

by short_shifter on Dec 15, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

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