Washington Nationals: 2011 MLB Hot Stove... Yu Darvish? Did Nats Bid? Yoenis Cespedes, Norichika Aoki...
If, (and it seems like it's a big IF at this point), the Washington Nationals did indeed submit a substantial bid for 25-year-old Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters' right-hander Yu Darvish, they've flown under the radar thus far, with no report either way on the Nats' involvement in the posting process. The Texas Rangers and Toronto Blue Jays are still rumored to be the frontrunners. Dallas Morning News baseball writer Evan P. Grant (@Evan_P_Grant) wrote on Twitter this morning that from what he'd heard, "The 'buzz' is that Toronto had whopper of offer on Darvish. Many reasons for Jays to bid more than $50mm. Believe Rangers bid. [Probably] in $40s." CBSSports.com's Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) wrote this afternoon that, "Signs strong Jays & Rangers did make serious bids for Yu Darvish, but could be a #mysteryteam. #Yankees bid said [to be] modest." Could the Nats be the mystery team?
In an appearance on 106.7 the FAN in D.C. Wednesday night, Mr. Heyman explained that the reason there was so little actual info about Darvish is that, "It's really a secret process. At this point there aren't agents involved so there's really nobody to yap and tell us what's going on here." Asked about the Nationals' involvement, Heyman said, "The teams that we've heard are Texas, Toronto and the Yankees. Nobody else has really come out. Since the bidding process was over I think I've seen it out there that the Cubs have bid. Nothing would surprise me here. This is a very secret process. I do think Toronto is probably the favorite looking at it."
The only comments D.C. GM Mike Rizzo has made to the press have been no-comments, with the Nats' GM telling reporters at the Winter Meetings including Washington Times' writer Amanda Comak as quoted in an article entitled, "Japanese standout pitcher Yu Darvish may be an expensive alternative for Nationals", that, "'Strategically, it doesn’t benefit us to announce if we’re going to bid or not.'" MASNSports.com's Pete Kerzel too wrote, in an article yesterday entitled, "Deadline passes, Rizzo mum on Darvish", that the Nats' GM had "sidestepped" a direct question about bidding on Darvish, reiterating that, "... it wasn't in the Nationals' interests to divulge whether they had participated in the posting process."
MLB.com's Bill Ladson wrote this morning, in an article entitled, "Nats not showing hand on potential Darvish bid", that, "The Nationals have been silent on whether or not they made a bid on Yu Darvish," but he quotes the Nationals' general manager from last week's Winter Meetings describing the 6'5'', 220lb right-hander as a, "'physical guy with stuff,'" who, "'... knows how to pitch,'" and, "'... has had success in a substantially high level of competition.'"
The Nationals scouted Darvish in 2011, Mike Rizzo's scouted Darvish in person in the past, but was Washington impressed enough to bid the $40-$50M+ that's it's going to take to win the bidding if the rumored reports are, in fact, correct. Is their silence a sign that they have made a competitive bid?
• Though some reports speculated they'd be involved, the Nats did manage to stay pretty much under the radar in the winter of '09/'10 before it was revealed that they'd actually gone hard after left-hander Aroldis Chapman.
• Speaking of Chapman: While everyone's waiting to hear about who won the bidding for Yu Darvish, Yahoo!Sports.com's Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) wrote on Twitter this afternoon that the cost of acquiring soon-to-be-free agent outfielder Yoenis Cespedes could be just as prohibitive. "One GM said he's 'never seen a more confident agent' than Adam Katz is with Yoenis Cespedes," the Yahoo!Sports.com reporter wrote, "New CBA rules have made market even bigger."
The 26-year-old Cuban-born outfielder, who's currently in the Dominican Republic establishing his residency, and his agent are apparently looking for a big payday this winter. According to the GM he spoke to, "'They're starting at Chapman money' -- $30M -- ," Mr. Passan wrote, "'and it could go a lot higher.' Thinks a team might give six-, seven-, even eight-year deal." If that's too expensive, there's always Norichika Aoki. Did the Nationals submit a bid for the 29-year-old Yakult Swallows' outfielder? Aoki was posted four days ago, though the timetable hasn't been nearly as public in his case as it has been in Darvish's, the period during which teams can submit bids should be over soon...I'm guessing the Nats won't be saying whether they bid on Aoki either...
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Yes indeed.
Even if the Nationals miss out on Darvish, Aoki makes much more sense than Cespedes in CF: Hopeing Rizzo got a realistic bid in on him.
"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3
Elijah Dukes is starting in RF tonight for el Tigres del Licey...
Licey Bottom of the 2nd
Wily Mo Pena singles on a ground ball to right fielder Andy Dirks.
Juan Francisco flies out to center fielder Jose Constanza.
Elijah Dukes called out on strikes
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
Dukes is alive!
Last I heard he was struggling in the Atlantic League.
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
by souldrummer on Dec 15, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
0-3, with 2 Ks...............but, they won.
Atahualpa Severino (H, 8) 0.2 1 0 0 0 1 0 0.00
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Yu Darvish is like Taro Tsujimoto, and thats why we dont know who won the bidding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taro_Tsujimoto
MOAR SEVERINO!
noooooooooo!!......Tsujimoto is REAL!!!
HE’S the one giving insider anonymous info, silly…
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
DKnobler DKnobler
“Fighters expected to accept Darvish posting price just before deadline next Tuesday”
4 minutes ago
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
hmph..
Well, since the move doesn’t benefit the team, I have to assume that it’s a ploy Darvish or his agents asked for to maximize the buzz and drive up the eventual contract price. They do nothing, and get free publicity.
one commenter on MLBTR said the japanese press is reporting Hokkaido Ham is holding out to see if the identity of the bidding team is leaked...
for whatever purpose that would serve…
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Might be trying to get a read on the possibility of Yu signing. If he reacts negatively after the winning team is leaked, they might decline the posting fee. Although it would do nothing but maybe save them 30+ days of having to deal with the lame duck contract negotiations, I’d guess…
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Dec 15, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
probably merely enjoying holding the baseball world in suspense...
getting back at all of us making comments about Ham Fighters…
I can just see Paul Atreides riding the back of a Giant Sand Ham…“Long Live the Fighters!!!”
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
"Yu are the Kwisatz Haderach!"
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 15, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, they stole that from me!
I put that up in a thread on some board; I’m pretty sure it was actually here :-)
Yep - posted at 9:09 EST this morning
Darn you plaigarizing Japanese Press!
At least they didn't...
plagiarize... (⌒▽⌒)
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 15, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Is it my imagination, or is there more inaccurate info coming out this year?
I’m sure Twitter isn’t helping, but it was around last year. Maybe I’m just noticing it more because the Nats come up more often, but I’m at the point where I don’t put much stock in anything other than an official announcement. I wouldn’t be upset if we ended up with Darvish, but I think the money could be better spent elsewhere. I’d also be surprised, but not shocked, if we ended up with Fielder.
I’m hoping that we get Aoki, and then sign Oswalt or maybe Saunders. Also, Wandy Rodriguez’s contract doesn’t look that bad when compared to Buehrle’s. 10 million this season, then 13, then a 2.5 million buyout. I think he’s only pitched 200 innings once, though.
About Wandy Rodriguez...
That option for 2014 binds if he is traded, so we wouldn’t be able to buyout that year in the event of a trade.
Doesn’t mean he is useless, but it does diminish his value some.
Honest question
At this point, what “strategic advantage” do the Nats gain by not saying whether they placed a bid on Darvish?
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
by RobBobS on Dec 15, 2011 11:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Negotiations about trades for other players?
Just a guess, but maybe Rizzo is thinking he doesn’t gain anything if teams think he has more surplus than he wants them to think. If he can convince teams that he really needs a certain player on his roster, then he will get better offers.
Conversely, dealing with pitchers' agents
If the Nats didn’t bid on Darvish, it doesn’t help him to let Oswalt’s agent know.
Pete Kerzel on MASN addresses this
He speculates that the winning bid is from a team that has no interest in signing him so he’d be posted again next year. I think he’s on to something. He also suggests that Rizzo doesn’t want other teams/agents/players to know the Nats finances in order to maintain leverage during potential negociations.
In other news, Ken Rosenthal raises the possiblity of Matt Latos being on the trade market. Local kid with a big arm (although RH). Might come cheaper than Gio. Otherwise, I’m ok going after Oswalt and a CF.
court
We Aim to Maim - JoseRijo es mi Amigo aka court
@Ken_Rosenthal:
“#Nationals also want [Gio] Gonzalez, view #WhiteSox’s [John] Danks as Plan B. After missing out on Buehrle, LH starter remains Nats’ priority. #MLB”
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 15, 2011 11:08 PM EST reply actions
what would the A's want in return?........Too much...
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 15, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don't trust Rosenthal's speculation.
Besides the Baby Raccoons already told us Plan B was a deluxe tummy scratcher.
I’m hoping Plan C is something more than new grass…what a letdown.
I want announcements of good deals being made by the Nats…not repeated statements that “reassonable” but losing offers were made.
"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011
by MissB on Dec 16, 2011 12:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I imagine there'll be much wailing and gnashing, once Rizzo explains how losing out on Darvish has laid good groundwork for something maybe happening in the reasonably soon future...
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 16, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Laying new grass DOES NOT EQUAL good team groundwork.
The Baby Raccoons are not happy (although thaat new tummy scratcher is kewl).
Time to shell out big LernerBuck$, Rizzo.
The Nats payroll is still low…too low to be competitive. (And Saunders is NOT the answer to help them compete better in the NL East.)
"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011
by MissB on Dec 16, 2011 8:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, hello! Thank you!
#noSaunders
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
Reasonable and losing offers are the Nats way :)
Honestly, given how lousy this market is for what the Nats need, I am not too worried. I would live for them to get Gio, but if the price is much more than Norris and a Lannan type I might balk.
"I was a victim of a series of accidents. As are we all."
---Malachi Constant
by The Herndon Kid on Dec 16, 2011 5:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Norris and Lannan would be great
However, given Beane’s knowledge of advanced statistics, there’s no way he would want Lannan.
Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!
Not necessarily
Look at the deal they just made with Arizona, Arizona got the better of that deal. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Nats send a catcher, either Millone or Peacock and a few second tier prospects to Oakland for Gio Gonzales. As for Danks he’s only under team control for one more year, but I hear Chicago’s asking price is just as steep.
Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!
I feel strongly both ways regarding the signing of Yu Darvish
I will be equally excited and concerned if they drop a boatload of cash on him.
Honestly I think the prudent move would have been to pass on him and overpay for Oswalt for a shorter term and then wait for the bonus babies to develop.
by PerryMason on Dec 16, 2011 7:47 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
shockingly its not open to the public
if this was at fedex, each marine would receive a season ticket brochure upon disembarking their vehicles
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man
or in my head.
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor and every day the paper boy brings more.
and so long as there's room up on the hill
…and your head doesn’t explode with dark forebodings too…
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
If the Nats want/need to get another arm
They’re window of opportunity for leveraging the Darvish mystery is between now and Tuesday. Until then, unless they make a deal for another arm, they are in an advantageous position if others do not know if they have their man or not (whoever that might be). If they do make a deal, they have tacitly tipped their hand.
If things stay quiet until then…who really knows?
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
Ham Fighters
It makes sense that they would want to wait for any info about the bidder.
In order for them to get their fee, Darvish has to sign, so if they knew the bidder was a west coast team, I’d think they’d take that, even if it was a smaller $ value.
What I don’t understand is the Nats ninja’ing around whether or not they posted. What does it matter if they announce they did or not? It would certainly help the fan base to move on if they didn’t.
Plausible, but then you have to explain the fact that other teams have already come out and said that they did not place a bid on him.
If they have been asked to be quiet because of the process, the following assumption is that they placed a bid to begin with.
If they did not place a bid and are being quiet on their own accord…that motive is a little harder to explain.
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Dec 16, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
And by “other teams” I mean beat writers’ and other reputable baseball analysts’ sources.
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Dec 16, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Pete Kerzel at MASN wrote about why Rizzo might not be telling...
He makes some good points. LINK HERE.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 16, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm
I didn’t see official statements from teams saying they did not bid. Just people quoting sources. Doesn’t mean teams have not been asked to keep quiet. There are always leaks.
Goodbye to Yu?
I have a feeling that, come Tuesday or earlier, we will soon be singing this song: link
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
ah,....Patty Smyth....
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 16, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions

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