The Washington Nationals' Slow Winter: A Positive Sign?
The winning bid for 25-year-old Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters' right-hander Yu Darvish will reportedly exceed the record $51.1M posting fee Daisuke Matsuzaka's Seibu Lions received from the Boston Red Sox in November of 2006. The Washington Nationals chose not to participate in the posting process for Darvish. There's no word on whether or not the Nats placed a bid on Yakult Swallows' center fielder Norichika Aoki. Reports last night said the Milwaukee Brewers had won the rights to negotiate a deal with the 30-year-old three-time Pacific League batting champion with a $2.5M dollar bid. As Baseball Prospectus' writer Kevin Goldstein reported last night in a story on soon-to-be-international free agent outfielder Yoenis Cespedes, MLB teams will soon have another chance to spend big $$ on a talented prospect who's untested against Major League competition...Will the Nats get involved in the Cespedes sweepstakes? Are they still considering a trade for a center fielder or a pitcher?
D.C. GM Mike Rizzo watched Cespedes, a 26-year-old Cuban-born outfielder in a private workout recently, but said there was only so much you could learn about a player in that setting. "Our scouts like [Cespedes]," the Nats' GM told MLB Network Radio hosts Jim Bowden and Casey Stern though, "They think he's a hit-and-power package that can play center field. He runs extremely well and he throws well. He has the chance to be a five-tool player, and a lot of the success and performance will be determined by how he adapts to the Americas and to the U.S. game and getting him ready for the major leagues is what it's all about. He may take a month or two in the minor leagues or a half-a-season in the minor leagues or he comes to Spring Training and turns it on and becomes a major league force right out of the gate."
Though talks with the Tampa Bay about B.J.Upton at the recently-concluded Winter Meetings didn't result in the Rays trading the outfielder to the Nationals or anyone else, Boston Globe writer Nick Cafardo still mentioned Washington in an article entitled, "Revamped AL teams major concern for Sox", as a potential trade partner should the Rays decide to deal the 27-year-old Upton for the catcher or left fielder they need as they attempt to keep up with their AL East rivals. There are still options out there for the Nats should they choose to add the center fielder they've talked about needing since the end of the season.
In making any such move, however, whether it's through a trade or free agency, Rizzo said in an early November interview on MLB Network Radio that the Nationals have to consider, "... if they're a good fit for us? If the timeline works? If the age of the player works? What do we have in the minor leagues that could fulfill that position in a year or so? Those are all decisions that each individual club has to make." As the Nats' GM explained it, "... we feel set position player-wise and rotation-wise, now it's a matter of, 'Can we improve ourselves and upgrade by a free agent signing or a trade?"
MLB.com's Bill Ladson's sources told him recently, as quoted in his article entitled, "Nats out on Darvish, likely to stick with rotation", that though Washington had inquired about A's left-hander Gio Gonzalez's availability, the Nats, "... are all but out of the Gio Gonzalez sweepstakes because, according to another source, the Athletics are 'way out of line' in what they want in return." The return the Padres received from the Reds on Saturday in the Mat Latos deal, which included major leaguers 28-year-old right-hander Edison Volquez and 24-year-old slugger Yonder Alonso along with two prospects 23-year-old Cuban catcher Yasmani Grandal and 23-year-old right-hander Brad Boxberger (both of whom appeared on Baseball America's November '11 Top 10 Prospects list), probably strengthened Oakland's resolve that someone will give up a big package for Gonzalez.
Can the Nats give up that kind of talent without breaking up the core of players they believe has them close to contention already? If they don't there is some help on the way for the Nats, though it might not arrive at the major league level in 2012. In his most recent appearance on MLB Network Radio, Washington's current general manager was asked by former Nats' GM Jim Bowden if he could identify some of the young talent in the organization (not named Bryce Harper) that Rizzo is really excited about:
Mike Rizzo: "Some of the guys that we call 'The Second Wave', that's going to come maybe in a year and a half or two years. A.J. Cole we feel is a special talent. He's a 6'5'' right-hander pitcher who's a high school projection draft. The velocity has come, he was 95-97[mph] at the end of the season last year and really you could see him developing as a prospect. Michael Taylor is a young, Mike Cameron-kind-of-looking toolsy player that's just learning how to swing the bat. We drafted him as a shortstop out of Florida, high school, and he's made the transition to center field smoothly. Defensively he's way above his developmental curve. Offensively, he's trying to catch up. But, a 19-year-old handled the [South Atlantic League] pretty well and those are two guys that we feel have huge upsides."
With Taylor in the system and on the way, Bryce Harper already knocking at the door and Brian Goodwin a 1st Round pick this past June, you could understand why the Nationals don't want to over pay in terms of dollars or prospects to make a deal for an outfielder or sign someone long-term that could potentially block one of the prospects already in the organization. The Nationals have been stockpiling pitchers for the last three drafts and have a number of arms on the way up. The Nats seemingly aren't going to let themselves be pressured into making a deal for the short-term that is going to harm the franchise's development long-term. Their reluctance to panic and attempt to keep up with the moves some of their NL East rivals are making this winter could be seen as a sign that they think they're closer to competing than others believe, and think they've built up a system that will allow them to remain competitive in the future.
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reluctance to panic and attempt to keep up with the moves some of their NL East rivals are making this winter
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Unfortunately, I think the choice is either panic and possibly contend, or stay to the plan and probably be on the fringes but fall short. Pig-roasting skills aside, I don’t trust Cespedes’ stats, and think he’s further from being a ML starter than has been said. the question then is how much is Rizzo willing (and should he be willing) to give up in a trade?
have a natural tendency to follow the SPAD philosophy, but, unless you have a pitching staff like the 2010 Giants or 1960’s Dodgers, you’re not likely going to make it to the postseason. In addition, that’s counter to Davey’s philosophy.
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
Does anyone know where Cespedes all of the sudden came from? Yea I know he’s from Cuba but what I mean is, why is he getting noticed now? He’s 26 years old and just kind of showed up, I had never heard of him until around the end of the season. Not insinuating anything I just don’t get why he’s going to defect now as opposed to earlier in his career.
by RossingtonCollins on Dec 18, 2011 7:35 PM EST reply actions
According to his agent, he's not as "out of nowhere" as some reports make it seem...
“His agent described the outfielder as, “… obviously very strong, very fast, very quick. Explosive. And what’s most interesting about him,” Mr. Katz said, “is he’s not mechanical like some of those really strong guys we’ve seen over the years. He’s a very fluid athlete and a natural baseball player. He’s been way more heavily scouted than has been let on. People have seen him and know what they have here, so it’s not quite the unknown quantity that people are sort of saying.”
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 18, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I'm pretty sure he had been scouted a lot over the past few years
But this year he made that 20 min highlight reel video of him performing ridiculously athletic stunts. And then the sequel video which was just as crazy. That’s probably how he got all this sudden attention
Whats the frequency, Kenneth?
Good on you for the link. In cases like this scouting isn’t much for the public eye, for instance I remember when Brandon Snyder used to play at Westfield HS and he was getting scouted during his freshman year but no one, outside of the locals and the scouts, knew about him until around his senior year and when he got drafted by the O’s. What I’m really trying to get at is that I just don’t see how he wasn’t noticed by more of the public until now.
by RossingtonCollins on Dec 18, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
He's cuban
So in order to be available for the MLB he had to evade Cuban authorities and sneak out of the country. It’s often a dangerous process (Some have died on boats) and is known to be dangerous for family members or those who were left behind who helped sneak the player out.
So Cuban players can’t be “hot commodities” until they actually sneak out. Who knows when that will be, so people don’t really consider talent until it’s actually available.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
Standing Pat is not Enough
The Nats have done well in the draft. Their off-season work, however, has not been impressive. This team has the potential to compete in 2012, but inaction so far is making that possiblity recede as the team fails to deliver on known needs—reliable, experienced pitcher, on-base, leadoff guy (Aoki was a great opportunity missed) and a strengthened bench. I like watching youngsters become capable major leaguers, but let’s not kid ourselves. Miracles have to happen to challenge the Phils, Braves—and yes, possibly the Fish.
Aoki seemed like a good opportunity, however
We don’t need miracles. We need one or two smart moves.
#5 Best Moments of 2008: Wil Nieves hits a walk-off homerun on April 29
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=3574784&c_id=mlb
(The Rockies have signed catcher Wil Nieves to a minor league deal… )
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
[Charlie and Dave start dancing...]
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 18, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Nieves started tonight and got a hit, a run and an RBI for the Licey Tigers....
Elijah Dukes got his first hit, Wily Mo Pena got a hit and RBI and his BA is up to .176….Anderson Hernandez, 2-4 and Jesus Colome closed out the 8-0 victory…
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l131&t=g_box&gid=2011_12_18_licwin_aguwin_1
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 18, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Licey is a home to many non-All-Stars from the Nats' past...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 18, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
It's not the same since Ronnie Belliard retired.
Mon pauvre vieux, les empires s'écroulent, les républiques s'effondrent et les imbéciles demeurent.
the Capain of the Blue Team!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigres_del_Licey#Famous_players_and_managers
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 18, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
I've watched it a few times.....must have been great in person...
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 19, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Helped turn my gf into a baseball/Nats fan
The Nats were SO bad that year, but won all bit one of the games she attended (and that was to the Mets, her former team, so she was conflicted about that). She saw two walkoffs and one 8th inning rally to boot. She thought the 2008 Nationals were an unstoppable force!
by d_c_guy on Dec 20, 2011 9:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rizzo....
Sign Fielder, give the Shark one last chance to prove himself in CF and put Laroche on the bench to help in that category. We don’t need another SP… we’re solid there with plenty of depth. Just sign Fielder to knock in runs and protect Zimmerman and Morse
Expectations
I think last years offseason spend-a-thon has raised expectations within the fanbase. Rightly or wrongly, there is now a view that the Nats are the Yankees of the NL East and will buy any player for any price. I think Rizzo is doing what he said he would all along – buy the right players for the right price. Buerhle was too much, in terms of years…so he walked away. Darvish was crazy money and unproven. Pujols was a huge contract and probably isnt worth it. Fielder maybe in the same boat. Just because they spent big on Werth doesnt mean they should buy every overpriced free agent. I would have liked to have seen Aoki – but im not ready to pull the pin on next year when there is 4 months to go.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
I think what many question is Rizzo's very public
declaration of team needs…and then seeemingly folding his tent after getting shut out on Burhle.
Sure, he’s added a bit of OD but nothing more. So far there is ZERO, NADA, ZIPOLA addition of O which was a glaring need in 2011. It’s even more so for 2012 as other teams in the NL East have added players for more O AND better SP.
So by standing still, the Nats are losing ground in the division. It could get “interesting” in a bad way with Davey pulling the levers and knobs and yammering for big productive bashers. (And, for the record, Harper is NOT ready to join the team out of ST…bat, maybe yes, but definitely no on defense.)
"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011
by MissB on Dec 18, 2011 10:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yea I dunno – I think Id mark down Rizzo on landing a SP – but Im one of those that think maybe Davey has talked him into a June call up on Harper. In which case I think it’s worth seeing what happens for the rest of the offseason. I think calling the offseason a disaster in December to be an early declaration of defeat.
Lets put it this way- I wouldnt be surprised if Rizzo has a SP and OF by the end of march.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Rizzo's inaction thus far, has made the pessimist in me very happy...
he’d better be right about Aoki, though…
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 18, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a weird question
It’s been reported widely that the Nationals did not bid on Darvish. But someone did, and the reports are the favorites are the Blue Jays, who (according to the rumors section on the ESPN site) bid between $40-50 million. There’s also buzz that Darvish’s posting bid was more than Dice-K’s. They can’t both be true of the Blue Jays are the “winners” of the sweepstakes. So, my question:
Has Rizzo (or anyone else with the team) said, on the record, that the team did not bid on Darvish?
don't think so...Kilgore makes the claim "...according to multiple people with knowledge,..."
I bet Dana Brown gave Rizzo a knowing look at the GM meetings about breaking the posting record and Rizzo didn’t waste anymore time with it…
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 18, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
The answer to the riddle
If today’s reports were right, the Jays DID come in with a massive bid – but the Rangers came in with the record breaker
by d_c_guy on Dec 20, 2011 9:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
so it's all about not blocking prospects
Used to be you wanted to block prospects. It was called having a really good team. The goal was to have quality players at every position year after year. Now we don’t want to go out and get a good center fielder because we don’t want to block a prospect coming up sometime in the next few years maybe. There’s an old saying that applies here: a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, or bushes in this case. The only reasons to stock up prospects are to play the odds hoping one or two work out and to use them to trade for ready players.
by apostle61 on Dec 19, 2011 12:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions

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