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Washington Nationals And Oakland A's Talking Gio Gonzalez Trade According To Report.

SEATTLE - AUGUST 03:  Starting pitcher Gio Gonzalez #47 of the Oakland Athletics pitches against the Seattle Mariners at Safeco Field on August 3, 2011 in Seattle, Washington. (Photo by Otto Greule Jr/Getty Images)

You wanted the Washington Nationals to do something big? They might just do it. MLB.com's Bill Ladson wrote late last week in an article on the Nats' decision to pass on the posting process involving Yu Darvish entitled, "Nats out on Darvish, likely to stick with rotation", that Washington had talked to Oakland about 26-year-old left-hander Gio Gonzalez, but at that point he wrote that, "The Nats are all but out of the Gio Gonzalez sweepstakes because, according to another source, the Athletics are 'way out of line' in what they want in return."

According to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal's sources the two teams are still talking, however, as the bow-tied reporter wrote on Twitter tonight (@Ken_Rosenthal) that his sources said the Nationals were, "... pushing hard for Gio. Discussing 4-for-1 trade with #Athletics."

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The pursuit of Gonzalez (or another lefty) was Plan B for the Nationals, according to what FOXSports.com's Mr. Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) wrote on Twitter last week when he reported that the, "Nationals also want [Gio] Gonzalez, view #WhiteSox's [John] Danks as Plan B. After missing out on Buehrle, LH starter remains Nats' priority."

CBSSports.com's Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) reported then that Oakland's asking price for Gonzalez was prohibitive for most teams, however. In discussions about a deal for the 26-year-old A's left-hander who finished his fourth MLB season in Oakland with a (16-12) record, 3.12 ERA, 3.64 FIP, 4.05 BB/9 and 8.78 K/9 in 202.0 IP, Mr. Heyman reported that the A's were looking for a, "huge package" when they discussed a potential deal with the New Yok Yankees which included, "([Jesus] Montero, [Manuel] Banuelos, [Dellin] Betances, etc)," the top catcher and left and right-hander, respectively, in the Yankees' organization according to Baseball America's November 2010 list.

As FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal noted in an article entitled, "A's Gonzalez hottest lefty at meetings", Gonzalez's value lies in the fact that the left-hander is, "... in his first year of arbitration eligibility and under club control for four more years." In his report tonight on the talks between the A's and Nats entitled, "Nats working hard to land Gonzalez", FOXSports.com's Mr. Rosenthal speculates that the, "... Nats likely would need to part with at least one of their young starting pitchers, perhaps right-hander Brad Peacock or lefty Ross Detwiler," while noting that, "The team also is deep at catcher."

Peacock/Detwiler, Derek Norris and what else? Supporting Mr. Rosenthal's contention that the Nationals' goal is to add, "... an established lefty to go with their two young right-handed starters, Stephen Strasburg and Jordan Zimmermann," are D.C. GM Mike Rizzo's own comments from a recent Q&A with fans published at the Nationals' official "Curly-W" blog, in which he was asked what the team's top priority was now that they'd missed out on their top target, Mark Buehrle:

Mike Rizzo: "We certainly would like to upgrade our rotation with an arm that could fit in with Strasburg and Jordan Zimmermann and give us a real potent top three guys in the rotation – to go along with Chien-Ming Wang, Ross Detwiler, John Lannan, Brad Peacock and Tommy Milone. We like to have great depth and versatility there. So that’s our number one priority."

Is Gio Gonzalez worth it? Will the Nationals make a deal? The Reds did it, will the Nats? Any way they can get it done without including Derek Norris?

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at least the A's don't want major leaguers, right?

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by cat daddy3000 on Dec 19, 2011 9:20 PM EST reply actions  

Presumably this is at least partly a $$ related move, so you’d think that’s the case, right?

by brs03 on Dec 19, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

$$, control..........I'm all for "Beane is teh Cheep!!!"

I just can’t let go of any of the catchers…

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by cat daddy3000 on Dec 19, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I just wanted to add a, right?

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 19, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't Give Peacock Away

Many say he’s better than Jordan Zimmermann was at Peacock’s age. Giving away Norris is definitely okay since he could be blocked by Ramos or just not pan out in the minors with his low batting average. Detwiler’s 25 now and only had 5.6 K/9 last year, I don’t see him becoming anything more than a fringe starter in the rotation.

Who else could we give away for Gio Gonzalez? AJ Cole? Solis? Purke? Meyer? Goodwin? Gio would be an awesome guy to add to the rotation.

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by GetThatCurlyW on Dec 19, 2011 9:27 PM EST reply actions  

AJ Cole is better than Peacock

He will probably be much better than Gonzalez.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Dec 19, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Cole is young yet already successful.

He has a much better arm than Peacock, and has Ace potential. I’m not advocating giving away Peacock for anything, or saying that he will not be a good player, but I would rather give away a #3 MLB ready pitcher than a #1 pitcher who is 2-3 years away.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Dec 19, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually have no problem with that philosophy

Until your team starts making moves that say “Winning, now.”

Cole does not help the Nationals win for at least 2 years. Oakland’s asking price includes a SP that projects to be a top of the rotation arm and you just told me Peacock is a #3.

I didn’t come over here to tell you what the Nationals should do for 2012. I’m just saying what Oakland is looking for in return for Gio.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 19, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't try and take anything personal

I think many of us here are split on what the future holds here. On one hand some believe that the true timing for a competing Nationals team is about three years away. This assumes that most of the team is comprised of young talent from the system and projects a rotation consisting of Strasburg, J Zimmermann, Cole, Ray, Purke/Solis. That is all young arms and all power arms. Unfortunately they may not all pan out AND this also means that we have to HOPE that the young position players work out too, such as CF, and by that time, 1B if Morse declines and we don’t sign anyone to fill the 1B slot. Also Werth is way past his prime at this point, but Harper is up. It is a winning formula, but has many holes that may or may not address themselves.

The other alternative is to go big for a stud pitcher and bat like Fielder and start the cotending trend now. This means we lose prospects, but if we follow the ideals of drafting internationally and do it well then we can continue to stock the system, and even with the new draft rules we can still gain from that side of things.

It’s the argument of wait and see or pile up now and have a winning culture when some young guys are ready. I myself go for the contend now approach and think what you are projecting for Gio is not outside our realm to deal for.

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by Mattionals on Dec 20, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not taking anything personal

After, Hudson, Mulder, Haren, Blanton, Cahill and soon Gio… plus a mint of bullpen arms… this is strictly business!

I don’t have any inside source into the negotiations, just knowledge of what the A’s have been saying and shopping for the past couple months. Peacock is a perfectly legit option in a trade package but the A’s don’t have a need for 2 MLB ready arms in return for Gio. That means Milone doesn’t factor into the discussion and his spot needs to be filled.

Peacock/Norris/Taylor is light, especially when compared to what SD just pulled off. They got 2 B+/A- hitters in Alonso and Grandal (and I’m quoting Sickels with the grading) a B- in Boxberger and Volquez. I admit Latos deserves a higher return than Gio… but not a ton more.

Cole makes sense because if gives the A’s a high-profile arm in return. He’s a B+/A- prospect. Norris was a B+ who may or may not get dropped a notch. Milone is a B-/C+. Taylor is probably a C+.

That’s a little less than SD got for Latos and a fair return (IMO) for Gio.

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by grover on Dec 20, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I think this whole conversation is a little amusing to see both Nats and A’s fans overvaluing their prospects/players. Must be hard to be a GM.

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by Mezza on Dec 20, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah

They over-value their players too!

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 20, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe we can win now.

I also believe that we can win in the future, too. Winning now shouldn’t mean you can’t win in the future. Keep the best player, especially when he has all-star potential

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Dec 20, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Nats prospects

How does this compare to any of the A’s previous demands

yankees-montero/betances
tigers- turner/castellanos/smyly
reds- alonso/grandal/3rd prospect

by J.J. Miller on Dec 19, 2011 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

Brad Peacock/Ross Detwiler or Tommy Milone/DerekNorris line would be the equivalent from the Nats...

Whether they’re as talented as the other team’s top prospects is an interesting question.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 19, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

None of those Nats packages are the equivalent of Montero/Betances

OTOH, I see very little chance that the Yankees deal those two for Gonzales, so the Nats don’t have to match that offer :-)

by d_c_guy on Dec 19, 2011 10:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I mentioned this on the other thread...

Beane is going to ask for players with 6 years of service time remaining. They don’t need to move Gio for $$$ reasons, they’re already well under what their budget has been the past few seasons. Beane targetted a near big league ready arm when he dealt Cahill, he’ll probably do the same with Washington. That might be Peacock, or maybe Milone. If it’s Milone expect cole to be in the deal as well. Milone simply doesn’t rate as high as Peacock (or Cole) on the prospect scale. The A’s will almost certainly look for an OF prospect NOT NAMED HARPER, preferrably one with CF skills. They might also target a 3B or SS that needs 2-3 years to develop. Derek Norris is probably in the discussion as well, since Beane is always looking for a Catcher that can hit.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 19, 2011 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

Rizzo LOVES him some Cole. Have a hard time imagining he'd included him...

But I’d ask too if I were Mr. Beane.

Rizzo on Cole: “A.J. Cole we feel is a special talent. He’s a 6’5’’ right-hander pitcher who’s a high school projection draft. The velocity has come, he was 95-97[mph] at the end of the season last year and really you could see him developing as a prospect.”

Then again, maybe he was selling other teams on him…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 19, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Think AZ hated Parker?

Beane is going to want to get one guy who at least projects to be better down the road than the arm he’s giving up. Cole is good but he doesn’t help the Nats win in 2012 or 2013. I don’t know if you guys think adding Gio puts you in contention for the NL East crown or not. If he doesn’t then the deal makes no sense.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 19, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

And nothing personal...but I seriously hope he rips Beane off...

Just one of those things…hate giving up prospects – especially from this team that has taken the best part of 6 years to restock.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

with 10-12 teams interested

doubt there will be any ripping off

either a team meets the asking price or move onto the next team. they could always just keep gio the next 4 yrs too

by J.J. Miller on Dec 19, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope i cant see it happening…unless its the Nats getting ripped off. If Bowden was here god knows what would be going on…

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 19, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Its too bad we lost Komatsu and Meyers in the Rule 5

I could seem them as back-end filler here. Meyers will be a solid pen lefty and might be a back of the rotation starter. If Komatsu could find the bat he had with the Brewer’s AA team, then I could see him contending for a spot in the empty A’s outfield.

Obviously, neither of these would be the centerpieces of a deal, but they could help the Nationals seal it.

by chubias on Dec 19, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would Beane take junk when 4-6 other teams are still interested?

If Texas misses on Darvish they’re likely to make a hard push for Gio. Plus the Yankees, plus Boston, etc…

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 19, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Heard Solis might be injured...

Any insight on that?

As for Cole… would rather have him or Peacock? ’Cause one of them has to come to Oakland for a deal to make sense.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 19, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Experienced elbow soreness in last start in AFL, last report was that he was going to see Dr. Yocum...

LINK. No follow-ups since then that I’ve seen. Been over a week now.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 19, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm...

Scratch him off the list, then.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 19, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Rizzo just put him on the could-be-ready by late 2012 list right before these reports too...

Could be a big blow if injury is serious.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 19, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Friend wondered about that in a discussion when Nats made deal for the Tigers' Ryan Perry last week...

Wondering with Ryan’s “pedigree” if they were acquiring him as a possible replacement if they did deal Storen.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 19, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Werth is still trying to sell Madson on DC?

by brs03 on Dec 19, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

6.7 fWAR and 9.2 rWAR in 10 and 11 combined. that’s a plus

but how much can you trust A’s pitchers with that park? .251/.340/.387 career on the road – that’s kind of meh

not sure what i’d be willing to give up for this guy

by hscer on Dec 19, 2011 9:35 PM EST reply actions  

Millone, Det, and Norris for Gio would make me happy

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---Malachi Constant

by The Herndon Kid on Dec 19, 2011 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

Gio is a good, not great pitcher, but has a lot of value

Gonzalez’ control problems leave him in the realm of above-average, not elite pitchers. He strikes out a lot of hitters, but walks quite a few as well, ending up with a very average K/BB of around 2. But average is very valuable…especially when your rotation isn’t as solid as it could be. Gonzalez is cost controlled for four years. Not really sure why Beane would deal him.

Which means he’s hoping someone pays way too much for him. I think Milone all by himself might provide as much on-field value as Gonzalez starting as soon as 2013. His K/BB numbers and K/9 the last two seasons were sick. I wouldn’t go much beyond that in any deal for Gonzalez. Adding in Norris would already be an overpay, IMO.

by short on Dec 19, 2011 10:22 PM EST reply actions  

Latos is a better player, and Alonzo is nowhere near as good as some people seem to think.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Dec 20, 2011 12:43 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I agree on both points

However, Latos isn’t THAT much better than Gio. But the point remains, Alonso is a highly regarded prospect, as is Grandal. Milone and a C+ OFer is asking for less than Boxberger and Volquez. And if Sickels drops Norris to a B the disparity between the Cincy package and the one i’ve been talking about becomes even more pronounced.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 20, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Is there a better offer out there? Or do you have any idea of the teams still talking to Oakland?

Imagine Toronto will have interest now? I’ve read a lot about Nats’ interest, haven’t really looked into who else is inquiring besides the Yankees.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 20, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

What do the Jays have to trade?

Im not really sure of their farm system? Do they have the bits to make it happen?

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 20, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Toronto might have the best farm system in baseball

Thy traded Nestor Molina, leaving them with only 16 B- or better prospects in the system.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 20, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it's desire that might win the day

I think the Nats want to make a move to be competitive. In some respects when you compete with the Braves and Phillies, now Marlins rotation I think they need to do the deal in order to have a shot. Im not sure that the same pressure is there for the Jays, etc. But I dont know as much AL-wise.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 20, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Yankees inquired, but want to hold on to Montero and Banuelos

Rosenthal says Toronto might rather pursue Garza. Detroit is in. KC is interested but they have conditions. Boston mumbles on occasion but I don’t think they have the ammo. Florida was a joke from Day 1.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 20, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks. + I hate the Marlins.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 20, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Understandable

Personal opinion… Cole might have a higher ceiling than Turner but turner is more advanced. Call it a push. I’d take Norris over Castellanos. A’s were asking for Smyly; Milone has put up sick numbers but I’m skeptical about his fastball holding up in the Show. I said it elsewhere, I trust junk ballers when the A’s draft ‘em but I’m not anxious to trade for them.

Unless Toronto suddenly makes a lot of noise on Gio or the Yankees decide to part with Montero and Banuelos then the Nats have the best chance to land Gio.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 20, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

AZ, yes, Cincy somewhat

I think AZ is doing a lot of stupid stuff, including the Cahill trade. Cincy got a player who will help them win now, but they gave up a lot of talent. I really think they could have gotten more for Alonso, Grandal, Volquez AND Boxberger. But it’s not a terrible deal for four years of Latos. He’s worth a lot more than Gonzalez. I hope Rizzo’s not using that deal as his model.

by short on Dec 20, 2011 3:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Latos is a better value than Gio

But when you look at the numbers… it’s not by a lot.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 20, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

No Way

As an A’s fan, I’ll tell you there’s no way they’d bite on that deal. Milone/Norris would not get it done.

From the A’s perspective, it’s not just cost control, but they need to get some studs and your studs are not on the block.

So I’d rather the A’s bundled Gio with Bailey (and anybody else that isn’t Choice/Gray/J. Parker) to get somebody like Profar than a package that doesn’t have one impact bat.

by DavidS on Dec 19, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

But but but...

We can offer you Chris Marrero! Or Tyler Moore! Or BOTH!

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by Mattionals on Dec 19, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Nats have stockpiled pitching, having catching depth...

But the bats are not there at the higher levels of the system yet.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 19, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would they trade position players for pitching then?

Unless they are in the low minors I don’t see why the Nats deal any position players other than Norris, if they like Ramos better. And he’s at a “sell low” point right now…bad time to trade him.

by short on Dec 20, 2011 3:37 AM EST up reply actions  

$51.7M dollar posting fee wins Texas Rangers rights to negotiate with Yu Darvish...

(ToT)

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 19, 2011 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

wow, I wonder how the BlueJays fans are taking this....

"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...

by cat daddy3000 on Dec 19, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Poorly

Something tells me they are either trying to figure out how to obtain Gio, Garza, or Fielder now.

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by Mattionals on Dec 19, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel sorry for them...

Canadians are nice people…(I think it’s Fielder…)

"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...

by cat daddy3000 on Dec 19, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope it isn't

It all depends on how they play their hand though. Gio and Garza won’t come cheap, they could make a run at Danks as well, or Jurrjens. I think that adding pitching is probably more of a need for the Jays then adding another bat, but you really need both in the AL East.

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by Mattionals on Dec 19, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

So, basically like some of us minus the trust the GM part?

Just kidding. TRUST IN RIZZO!

(unless he doesn’t sign Fielder and makes up a dumb reason)

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by Mattionals on Dec 20, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

but, we're coming in second a lot on the signings we choose to engage in!!!

We’re like Canadians!!!

"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...

by cat daddy3000 on Dec 20, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Pssh,

As a red blooded, apple pie loving, American Boy I don’t want no second place to them Canucks!

Again, joking! Canada is a beautiful and interesting place full of natural wonders and many bi-lingual folks!

But I still want Fielder!

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by Mattionals on Dec 20, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

What this will probably take

And most will agree is Norris, Cole, Solis/Peacock/Milone, and Marrero/Moore.

All guys mentioned are pre-arb and cost effective solutions that Beane would like. I think the clock is ticking too fast on guys that we already have on the ball club so I doubt Storen or Det would be utilized since they have already eclipsed two major league seasons. Given what we would giving up, I think if the big brains of Rizzo and Davey believe that there is way more ceiling to Gio, this trade gets done. This would mean the end of Lannan though because Davey wants Det in the rotation and Rizzo still gets his 200+ innings guy in there as well.

A rotation of Stras, Zimm, Gio, Wang, and Det is pretty remarkable and would definitely push against the big guys in the NL East!

NEXT MOVE IS TO SIGN FIELDER!

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by Mattionals on Dec 19, 2011 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

If you mean Wade Moore... Hell no!

And Marrero doesn’t offer the A’s anything new. Solis is getting his elbow looked at by Dr. Yocum so he’s a no-go.

Cole, Norris, Milone and one of Hood/Taylor.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 19, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Subsitute Peacock for Cole and I'm good.

A.J. Cole is going to be a stud, and he is much better than Peacock and Gonzalez.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Dec 19, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd do it in a heartbeat

Legitimate number 3 power pitching lefty, gives Det more room to become another power pitching lefty and, well, that is a stacked rotation in two years time.

Signing Fielder and adding Gio really puts this team right into a postseason argument with good pitching and good hitting. I understand everyone’s points about the money but if we let the blocked positions go in a trade like this it may work in our best favor.

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by Mattionals on Dec 19, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Marrero has a torn hammy and is out til July, so he'd never be involved anyway...

the Moore is Tyler Moore, the Nats’ 2010 Minor League POY. Big power, lots of K’s, no position in D.C. right now…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 19, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Marrero

Is ending up like an albatross on this roster and unlike LaRoche, he just isn’t going to be moved anytime soon. Shame, but at least he is on the 40 man and not occupying a spot because of “no options”.

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by Mattionals on Dec 19, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

How many Moore's is enough?

No to Tyler, Wade and any other Moore on the farm!

Hood or Taylor as the 4th. My guess is Taylor if he can play CF.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 19, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

What's Gio worth?

I am OK with the Nats getting value for Norris. With Ramos and Flores, dealing Norris is an inevitability. The only question for me is whether we should play that card in exchange for Gonzalez. Is he worth all that? I wouldn’t deal Cole and I’d hesitate to deal Solis. However, for the right pitcher, they’re not untouchable. Gonzalez doesn’t seem like that pitcher to me.

by fischy on Dec 19, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

His value is going to be way overpriced

But it seems all pitchers are becoming more and more overpriced. Lefties especially. Both Beuhrle and Wilson got more than they should have, and trading for legitimate top rotation pitchers is becoming expensive. In these post PED days, unless your name is Ryan Braun, teams more willing to dish money out for pitchers to try and win with good pitching since no one is hitting 60 home runs a season anymore.

Baseball is going back to the way it should be played.

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by Mattionals on Dec 19, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on how you value his "worth"

In terms of surplus value, probably around $35 million. In terms of matching prospect offers, look at what the A’s acquired for Cahill, what the Rays got for Garza last year and what SD got for Latos a few days ago. Oakland would prefer quality bats in exchange for Gio but Washington is lacking in that area unless you want to talk Harper.

Didn’t think so.

The 2011 draft class has some interesting position players but they’re ineligible to be traded until the middle of next summer.

Solis is hurt. Milone has nice numbers but doesn’t have the clout to headline a deal. Detwiler has too much service time. Peacock could take the place of Cole but then there’s no need for Milone; who takes his place? Norris would probably be acceptable and there are a couple toolsy position players who’d work as the 4th.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 20, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Right

I wouldn’t exclude solis. All pitchers see doctors. Yocum is an ugly name, but pitchers are time bombs. Elbow stiffness or issues are inevitable. If he needs surgery that obviously changes the sorry. But I wouldn’t count on that yet.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 20, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry ipad

I would be fine with solis, Cole, milone, Walters, Norris, or an arrangement including peacock or Taylor. Eury Perez perhaps?

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 20, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Arrangement of the four that is.

You draft strong to make these moves. You never know what could happen. But gio is young controllable and all-star level with a high k per 9. Not a fan of his walk ratio, but better than the Wilson contract.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 20, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd prefer to leave Solis out of the conversation

No one knows the status of his elbow and there are other arms worth discussing.

Sale me on Eury Perez over Michael Taylor.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 20, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm
Sale me on Eury Perez over Michael Taylor.

Nope. Sorry – just can’t do it.

by d_c_guy on Dec 20, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You could do that

but it would be wrong.

Arthur Carlson, pick up the white courtesy phone…

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Dec 20, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a fan.

Why don’t we sign Edwin Jackson?!?!?!

…or something to that effect.

Point being, not a fan of giving up young talent at this point, though you have to give to get.

The scary part is that I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not

by The Moose on Dec 19, 2011 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

FWIW, this is what Peter Gammons reported the last time Jackson to Nats talk came up...

Rizzo on Edwin Jackson via Peter Gammons:
LINK:

"A lot of times people like to guess. I think agents like to throw it out there. For instance, one of the things I found curious of this whole notion if the White Sox can get Edwin Jackson from Arizona, then they can get Adam Dunn from Washington. It never made any sense to me. I think that is very agent-driven, in that the same people I see writing about this get it from the same place. I know that I talked to [Nationals GM] Mike Rizzo, and he said, I don’t want Edwin Jackson, he makes $8 million next season and he has a 5.00 ERA. He said, “I have four pitchers I know are going to be in my rotation next year, why would I spend $8 million on a fifth starter and trade Adam Dunn, who I might be able to sign. It just doesn’t make sense, but it gets thrown out there a lot.”

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 19, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Look how Dunn played out, eh?

All I’m saying is that I’m not a fan of overpaying for a guy without at least exploring the market around. It’s understandable that Rizzo wants to upgrade the rotation, which I can get with, but if you’re going to trade for a guy, just pick your spots well.

The scary part is that I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not

by The Moose on Dec 19, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Great material tonight on board

Gotta love super Grover. Not mr. T but cool nonetheless.

always unsettling when you hear other teams perspectives of your teams prospects. A harsh reminder as to where your team is.

The one thought I have is that now maybe be the time to trade some of these prospects for a guy like gio. While it would be painful and deplet the farm a bit, our big pull last year is still untouchable. You have to imagine any trade talk next year must include rendon

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 20, 2011 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

That's not a position I want to be in.

Cole could be better than all of these players. But gio is good now, there are no maybes. Always better to have the MLB player. (sometimes:))

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 20, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

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