Wire Taps: Washington Nationals In On Greg Dobbs, Mark DeRosa, But Yoenis Cespedes?
• Best. Marketing. Ever: ESPN.com's Enrique Rojas, in an article entitled, "Rep says Cuban OF nearing residency", reported Monday night that Edgar Mercedes, Yoenis Cespedes' representative, was confident that the 26-year-old hero and soon-to-be-international-free agent outfielder's residency in the Dominican Republic could become official this week. Once that first hurdle is cleared, as Baseball Prospectus writer Kevin Goldstein too wrote yesterday in an article on Cespedes entitled, "Exclusive First Look: Yoenis Cespedes Encore", there are two more steps before the hard-hitting Cuban outfielder is available to the highest bidder amongst major league teams in the market for a potential outfield bat. At some point in January MLB teams can begin pitching agent Adam Katz on the reasons Cespedes should join their respective organizations...
The Baseball Prospectus' article is more a review of the outfielder's latest promotional video (in which Cespedes is spotted wearing a Washington Nationals cap), but as Mr. Goldstein notes, care is taken to show representatives from the Marlins, Phillies, Red Sox, Cubs and Tigers are present at the workouts/showcases he's held as he establishes his residency and awaits confirmation that he's bound for the majors. And, of course, the Yankees are interested, of course. Washington Nationals' GM Mike Rizzo has seen Cespedes in person, and the Nats have scouted the outfielder extensively as the general manager explained in a recent MLB Network Radio interview, but aside from the visual "clue" in the video they aren't being mentioned as suitors for Cespedes much any more.
Washington Post writer Thomas Boswell wrote about the Nats' GM's tendency to attach a value to available talent, ("get a number in his head" as Mr. Boswell puts it) and stick to it in a chat with readers yesterday, and the WaPost writer said that after surveying the market, Rizzo has decided to avoid getting involved up to this point:
"[Rizzo] thinks __and he does think these things __[Mark] Buerhle isn't worthy four years; [Roy] Oswalt isn't worth three years; Cepedes isn't worth $40-50M; [Yu] Darvish isn't worth God-knows-how-much; BJ Upton isn't worth a key Nats player just to control him for one year; [Albert] Pujols and [Prince] Fielder aren't worth THAT to the Nats because they're set up fine at 1st base."
There's some talk of the Nationals getting back into the Roy Oswalt discussions now that he appears willing to accept a one-year deal, but the Nats were reluctant to while the 34-year-old right-hander wanted a multi-year deal. The Nationals were willing to go to 3-years/$35-$39M (depending on what you read) for Buehrle while the Marlins were comfortable going to 4-years/$58 million. Washington, we know now, would have had to bid over $51.7 million for the posting fee for Yu Darvish and then sign the 25-year-old right-hander to what is expected to be a C.J. Wilson-ish contract (5-years/$75-77M). The price the Rays are asking for Upton has apparently remained unacceptable for going on two years. Prince Fielder...well.
An unnamed GM Yahoo!Sports.com's Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) spoke to last week told the writer (who was all over the Yu Darvish coverage) that he'd, "'... never seen a more confident agent' than Adam Katz is with Yoenis Cespedes. New CBA rules have made market even bigger," and according to a follow-up message on Twitter, they were expecting to start discussions, "... at Chapman money" -- $30M -- 'and it could go a lot higher.' Thinks a team might give six-, seven-, even eight-year deal."
Mike Rizzo told MLB Network Radio hosts Jim Bowden and Casey Stern recently that the Nationals' scouts liked what they saw from Cespedes and see him as, "... a hit-and-power package that can play center field... runs extremely well and he throws well... [and] has the chance to be a five-tool player." For $30-$40-$60M, however?
With Jayson Werth and Michael Morse in the outfield and Bryce Harper on the way at some point in 2012, does it make sense for the Washington Nationals to lock up a 26-year-old relatively untested outfielder up for six years and however much it takes to win the bidding? Rizzo said recently he believes there are a few center fielders in the system already that are only a few years away. The Nats chose not to go after Yu Darvish. ESPN.com's Enrique Rojas mentions, "Boston, Detroit, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Texas, the Chicago Cubs and the New York Yankees," as teams with interest in Cespedes. Nothing about the Nationals...
• ALSO: The Washington Nationals signed 38-year-old veteran outfielder Mike Cameron to a minor league deal yesterday, and according to MLB.com's Bill Ladson, the Nats are negotiating with two veteran bench options as well. Earlier this week, in an article entitled, "DeRosa still interested in joining Nationals", Mr. Ladson wrote that 36-year-old infielder Mark DeRosa was talking to the Nats among other teams and today the MLB Nats beat writer reported that Washington was talking to 33-year-old infielder Greg Dobbs. In an article entitled, "Nationals are among Dobbs' final suitors", Mr. Ladson reports that a source tells him the Nats are one of three teams talking to Dobbs, "... who is expected to make a decision soon."
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If Dobbs and DeRosa are both brought in
who gets the Nats’ bench spot for the middle infield positions?
by jimmylauderdale on Dec 21, 2011 1:57 AM EST reply actions
Omar Vizquel
They already have Mike Cameron, might as well load up on “guys who were awesome in 2001”
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Dec 21, 2011 7:42 AM EST up reply actions
Not Flappy, please not flappy
Mark DeRosa no longer has a wrist and is completely unable to pull the ball. If the Giants, who are absolutely desperate for offense, don’t want him, why should the Nats? I understand Dobbs, Cameron was an okay signing, but not DeRosa.
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Be careful!
D’ro is getting on his Dragon Speech Recognition software and going after the bloggers…
You know who you are!
(also, add my thumbs down on flappy as well)
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Dec 21, 2011 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
Glad to hear he's using Dragon
Wouldn’t want that tendon in his wrist to explode from typing…
Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!
I guess it's a KNBR listeners' joke
But seriously, I was turned off to the stuff when I heard those commercials.
The TV ads however have guaranteed they will never get my patronage.
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Dec 21, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Might be
Haven’t listened to “THE sports leader” since I moved out East, but understand Radnich is still butchering sports analysis and the English language regularly.
Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!
ugh... I thought we were trying to get better.
These guys might work out, but I don’t see it. Couldn’t we aim a little higher like Hideki Matsui? Sure, he can’t field, but we pinch hit the pitcher at least once a game don’t we?
Matsui would be great!
I can already hear Blue Oyster Cult over the loudspeakers.
Cespedes still intrigues me
If we really do think he could be a 5 tool player then we should go after him hard. He doesn’t solve the leadoff problem but plug him in behind Morse so it looks like Zim, Morse, Cespedes at 3, 4, 5 and thats pretty good. Grabbing him would allow Werth to stay in RF and when Harper comes up in June you can put him in LF and move Morse back to first base. Once Harper comes up, lineup could look like this:
1- Desmond, SS
2- Werth, RF
3- Zimm, 3B
4- Morse, 1B
5- Cespedes, CF
6- Espinosa, 2B
7- Harper, LF
8- Ramos, C
I like that lineup a lot. If these Gio Gonzales trade rumors are true and we snag him then our rotation would be set as well with our 1, 2, 3 set up for a long time.
1- Stras
2- Zimm
3- Gonzales
4- Wang
5- Det/Lannan/Peacock/Milone
No reason that team can’t contend
I like Cespedes
but I am prone to want the CF to be a left handed hitter. Even Swith Hitter.
I think we give up some value if we move Morse to 1st and lose the impact left handed bat. It makes the matchups, especially in the later innings, harder. Having Harper certainly helps.
I don’t think its a coincidence that many of the offensive minded teams in baseball have several big lefty bats. Phillies, BoSox, Yankees.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
Bench
If Cespedes is signed then I think you have to move Morse to 1B and LaRoche as your lefty on the bench with Cameron and DeRosa and the Shark/or Ankiel. This assumes Harper makes it out of ST. If he doesn’t then sign Beltran as the stop gap in the OF until he is ready.
Sign Oswalt and have 3 power pitchers, a sinkerballer, and a lefty to mix it up. Then only need to get to the 7th so Rodriquez/Perry/Burnett get you to 8th with Clippard and 9th of Storen. Det is Long Relief and Stammen takes Rodriquez spot when he takes Storens on off days.
Why would you have to move Morse?
You’d presumably have Morse in left, Cespedes in CF, and Werth in RF. Laroche at 1st. Then if Harper does make it, then you try and trade Laroche.
But I don’t see any instance occurring where you would be signing Beltran.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
Point being is
You have 3 corner outfielders. Morse, Werth, and Harper. Take the scenario one step further however you see fit, but I don’t see why you’d add a forth with Harper “on-deck”.
Unless you imagine Werth being able to play CF for a few years, but adding Cespedes would completely eliminate that flexibility.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
With that said
I’d love to have Beltran’s bat on the Nationals. If Rizzo can somehow make that happen, I’d love to see it.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
I think he'd be a great signing
You could leave Morse at 1B and give LaRoche starts when Beltran is inevitably injured. Plus Beltran is seriously undervalued right now and it would take some of the pressure off of Harper to develop.
Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!
8 Mil.
Is a lot for a bench player. Assuming Beltran gets 12 mil or so (not crazy as he was a 4.7 WAR player last year), you’d basically be looking at a 19 mil outfielder
why 19 and not 20? Well I am arbitrarily saying the avg. bench player in baseball is 1 mil. or so. So Laroche 8 + 12 – 1 = 19.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
Ummm....
I don’t know that Cespedes is ready for the big league’s. He might require some time in AAA, but should be up some time this year. Once he’s up, the question then becomes “Where’s Harper” if he’s with the big club then I can see moving Morse to 1B, but if he’s not then why move Morse to 1B?
Also, DNW Flappy, he is broken. As for Ankiel, he’s not a bad left-handed bat to have on the bench when you’re down by one with two out and nobody on, so if he’s the end of your bench he’s not bad, but much more could be problematic.
Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!
who is flappy?
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
From my days following the Cubs
I like Mark DeRosa. I think he’d be a good presence on the roster. With that said, his days are probably behind him.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
I agree with you about DeRosa, Bsullivan...
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