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Have The Washington Nationals Been Quietly Pursuing Prince Fielder?

WASHINGTON, DC - APRIL 17: Prince Fielder #28 of the Milwaukee Brewers walks back to the dugout after striking out in the first inning of game one of a double header against the Washington Nationals at Nationals Park on April 17, 2011 in Washington, DC.  (Photo by Rob Carr/Getty Images)

The morning that the winner of the Yu Darvish derby was announced, all signs pointed north toward the Toronto Blue Jays, who had reportedly bid between $40-$50 million dollars to win the rights to negotiate a deal with the 25-year-old Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters' right-hander. "While speculation has run amok Toronto won Darvish bid," CBSSports.com's Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) wrote that morning, "remember: VERY few people actually know. No guarantees." That night, the Texas Rangers, who were one of two teams everyone had in the race, were revealed as the winners of the posting process, and in spite of the fact they paid $51.7 million for the posting fee and will have to spend another $75-$77 million to sign Darvish, CBSSports.com's Mr. Heyman wrote the next day that Texas was still, "... a threat to win [Prince] Fielder, too."

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"The Fielder pursuit has been pretty quiet," the CBSSports.com writer noted, "but other teams believed to have some interest in Fielder include the Mariners, Nationals, Cubs, Orioles, Marlins and incumbent Brewers," in addition to the Rangers. Last week, in an article entitled, "Notebook: Rangers might grab Fielder with kick at the finish", Mr. Heyman placed the Nationals fifth on a list of potential suitors for the 27-year-old slugger who finished the 2011 season in Milwaukee with a .299/.415/.566 slash, 36 doubles and 38 HR's. "They've gone for the home run before," Mr. Heyman wrote, "and no one would be shocked if they made a late play here."

The Nationals' top target this winter was Mark Buehrle, outside of that chatter, most of the talk has been about trades or attempts to sign bench options, but since they missed out on Buehrle when he signed with Miami, and in spite of the presence of both Adam LaRoche and Michael Morse on the roster, the CBSSports.com writer speculated that, "... GM Mike Rizzo has struck before," as he did with the out-of-nowhere Jayson Werth signing last December. Will the Nats' general manager shock the baseball world again by bringing Prince Fielder to the nation's capital?

In his latest update this morning, in an article entitled, "Mariners, Nats, O's among teams eyeing Prince", the CBSSports.com writer listed the Nationals as one of eight teams with interest in Fielder. "The Nationals have been keeping a low profile on their pursuit and it's unknown where they stand but signs suggest they do have Fielder on their radar," Mr. Heyman writes. Adam LaRoche is owed $9M dollars on his two-year deal, but Mr. Heyman writes, "LaRoche is a small expense compared to Fielder."

When the idea of the Nationals entering the market for a first baseman was mentioned to LaRoche by MLB.com's Bill Ladson in an article entitled, "LaRoche getting closer to baseball activities", in which Mr. Ladson wrote that, "LaRoche said the Nationals didn't promise that he would play every day at the position next season," LaRoche was quoted saying, "'Obviously, anything can happen. That's their decision,'" but, referring to his contract the 32-year-old first baseman said, "'That's a pretty big investment for someone who is not playing. I don't know what direction they would go. Obviously, anything is possible.'"

When the possibility of the Nats pursuing Prince Fielder came up during the recently-concluded Winter Meetings at the Hilton Anatole in Dallas, Texas, Mr. Ladson on Twitter (@washingnats) wrote on Twitter that, "I was also informed that Prince Fielder is not a target for the #Nats. They already have Adam LaRoche and Michael Morse at first base." Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore (@AdamKilgoreWP) quoted a Nats source who said, "'That's not even a good lie,'" when the idea of the Nationals pursuing Fielder or Albert Pujols came up.

Mr. Heyman's not alone in listing the Nationals as potential suitors for Prince. Both FOXSports.com's Jon Morosi and Ken Rosenthal among others have written recently that the Nats were in on the soon-to-be-(potentially)-former Brewer. "Some executives still expect Fielder to hear from the Nationals," Mr. Rosenthal wrote in an article entitled, "Fielder should be Cubs' player to lose", before referring to the Nats as, "the preferred ATM of the Scott Boras Corporation in recent years."

The Nats, "... keep getting linked to Fielder despite denials from Nationals execs that they're actively involved," ESPN.com's Jayson Stark wrote in an early December article entitled, "Big deals at winter meetings in Big D?" Until Fielder signs somewhere, with all the Boras' clients on Washington's roster, the rumors are likely to continue. Is there any truth to them though?

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Boras really is amazing

The more Fielder hangs around, the more teams will be linked to him. If Beltran goes this week (which is presumably the case).

I just can’t wait until he signs. I am eager to find out what happens to this rotund man.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 21, 2011 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

This

@JimBowdenESPNxm
JIM BOWDEN
Nationals continue all out effort to trade forGonzalez & stay alive in the Fielder sweepstakes.a quiet off-season could turn loud in a hurry

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 21, 2011 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

I absolutely hate this chatter

its the kind that makes me unnecessarily antsy.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 21, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh, I already spend way to much time here ;)

these Rumors just make me stay up later

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 21, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Sleep is for the weak...uh, and gainfully employed. ;)

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
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by Patrick Reddington on Dec 21, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I absolutely hate that guy

I would get excited about the possibility except it came from Bowden, who listens to that douchebag? Also, please don’t follow him on the Twitters, it only prolongs his stay in the public eye.

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Dec 21, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate him too,

but god I want him to be right just this once.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Dec 21, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

cmon Rizzoo

ahhh finally moves that could leap us to contenders…Gio and prince!!!

by Sportzxpert on Dec 21, 2011 2:14 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Action

The quiet ends with Gonzalez coming from the A’s for a package of (A’s choice) Norris or Flores, (2)Kimball, Detwiler, or Milone, and Lombardozzi orMoreno,

Still not having added payroll they sign the 27 year old Fielder for10 years 250 mil.

by sunsetbeachbum on Dec 21, 2011 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Would shock the baseball world for sure...

And if they thought they were two players away from contention, Gio and Prince (even though he doesn’t solve OF issues) would be huge additions…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 21, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If the Nats get Gio and Fielder

This entire offseason would most likely go down as a huge success. Adding those two guys propel this team from 80 wins into true playoff contention. Unfortunately I don’t think they go deep into the playoffs without having Strasburg in there, and that probably puts J Zimm into unkown territory with innings as well.

Still this team would be set to contend for a few years at least with those two signings.

Name a number between three and five.
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Threeve.

by Mattionals on Dec 21, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get it...

Why does no one seem to have faith in the team as it stands? Sure, I think the Nationals need to add a player or two to get over the hump, but just because they were an 80 win team last year, doesn’t mean that they’re static and will remain that way. If they get a full season of Zimmerman and Strasburg that’s 3-4 wins right there. Toss in some improvement from guys like Desmond, Expi and Ramos and you’ve got another 1-2 wins. Also, going quite unnoticed is that the rotation with CMW and potentially Detwiler is an improvement and while LaRoche sucks for the money and position he plays he’s better than trotting out 4th and 5th OF’s everyday. I have to believe that the Nats are an 85 win team as they stand right now and that’s close enough that a few breaks could put them in the playoffs. They need to add players to assure a playoff spot and go deep in to the postseason.

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Dec 21, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Because . . .

People get hurt, players regress, and not everyone plays up to their peak seasons every year. I would like the team to add pieces because it’s highly unlikely that all of those things you just listed actually end up working out that way. Logic says that adding 5 or so wins just by standing pat and counting on players (especially those like Espinosa and Ramos, who already posted 3 win seasons in their rookie years) to tack on to that total just because they have more experience is extremely optimistic. Adding players to that pre-existing talent pool, however, is a more likely projectable way to improve.

by Armless Penguin on Dec 21, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not suggesting that Espi and Ramos are the keys to adding wins, the bulk of that total comes from getting injured guys back, namely Strasburg and Zimmerman. The Nats were without their best pitcher for the entire season and their best position player for half of the season and everyone seems to think that just adding those two pieces will keep the team static, when they actually represent a significant upgrade. Also, I’m not banking on everyone improving or saying that the Nats shouldn’t try to add Gonzales or Fielder, just simply stating that everyone’s jump off point of 80 wins is wrong.

Like they say in stocks past performance is not an indicator of future earnings. However, because the Nats employed a large number of players who were under age 27 last year they should get better simply because most players peak in their age 27-29 seasons. The Nats need another starting pitcher and they could use another bat, but even if they add neither, this team is capable of making the playoffs, especially when you consider that Bryce Harper and Ross Detwiler could make an impact this year.

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Dec 21, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the armless flightless bird

And also think about it this way. First base has always been a position of question for this organization. Many here think that Morse is that answer solely at first, but he also has the potential to play multiple positions. Next season fans will see Bryce Harper come up. This kid has a killer, nearly Ankiel like, arm and he projects to be the perfect power hitting lefty right fielder. So you now have to move Werth. Sure you could move him to left field, but honestly the guy has some serious legs underneath him and by his pay in CF last season, I’m almost more comfortable with him there then in right. Sure he won’t throw out a guy going to home from the wall, but honestly only few CF can do that. I think getting a strong, straight ahead look at the batter from center makes Werth more effective as a fielder. Then you have left. On this roster currently there is only ONE guy that I would play there EVERYDAY. That guy is Morse. His defense out there isn’t great, but with more seasoning, I feel like he could play average LF defense, considering that it isn’t a defense first position anyway.

LaRoche was always a stopgap, and if Fielder is available and we have favorable connections to his agent and he fills a “hole”, you go for him. The lineup becomes vicious with that addition in there.

Same goes for a guy like Gio. Young guy with good stuff, lots of potential, hard throwing lefty and has pitches 200+ innings twice so far. He gives you something that this staff doesn’t have with those innings, plus the talent ceiling hasn’t been hit, and potentially has a long way to go according to scouts. Sure you give up some future pieces, but controlling all these young arms before they are thirty and adding a guy like Fielder propels the team into instant contention, and potentially a 10 game improvement to 90 wins.

After following so many losing seasons with this franchise, I admit I am impatient here, but we are gambling less with Fielder and Gio then pushing off our “winning timetable” and shouldering all the weight on guys getting better, having bounceback seasons, or young unproven guys in the minors.

Name a number between three and five.
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.............
Threeve.

by Mattionals on Dec 21, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

We support the team. We like the team.

The only thing we would like better than being an 85-win team is being a 90-win team. Just because we are discussing making offseason moves doesn’t mean that we are planning to mortgage our future on one player or sell the farm for one player. People are excited about Gio only up to a point. We want to sign Fielder only if we can afford to extend Zim and pay for the arbitration seasons of our young core.

by chubias on Dec 21, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow you guys are sensitive

As I mentioned

Sure, I think the Nationals need to add a player or two to get over the hump, but just because they were an 80 win team last year, doesn’t mean that they’re static and will remain that way.

What I’m saying is that everyone’s base point of 80 wins is flawed.

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Dec 21, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I like it....but

I think it’s going to take quite a bit more to land Gio

Something like: Lombardozzi Or Desmond, Norris, Detwiler, Milone, Tyler Moore

If we pull in Prince there’s no need for Tyler. Norris is going to be blocked by Ramos and Flores, Detwiler and Milone are projected to be good MLB pitchers but we have plenty at or above their levels and Lombardozzi or Desmond will be on the bench as a backup middle infielder and we can afford one…but not both

by natexpo on Dec 21, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't know

I think it would be a package centered around Norris and Peacock or Detwiler, then followed with a couple of other prospects in the second tier (5-10) or a player like Desmond with an org guy as the fourth.

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Dec 21, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

also...

Marrero, Kimball & Flores are either injured or returning from injury. In the future yes, but now they don’t have much value to other teams

by natexpo on Dec 21, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

No on Prince

The long-term cost to the team of Fielder is too high. The Nats could seriously improve their chances of contending without going down this road and without taking money away from future needs.

by JamesFan on Dec 21, 2011 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

Just updated Gio rumors up top too...

And the Nats claimed 3B/SS Carlos Rivero from Phillies…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 21, 2011 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

All this talk about CF?

I’m all for Werth manning CF for a while, until Bryce is ready… One name I never seem to see pop-up as a possible experiment at the MLB level is Archie Gilbert. The guy had solid numbers at AA ball, low SO’s, high OBP, high SB %, high BA…. one would think he’s getting close to the MLB level given his high success in AA

by natexpo on Dec 21, 2011 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

DUI problems could affect his chances for the Nats re-signing him

He is a lot like Chris Rahl, an OG with some upside

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 21, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Ouch

Didn’t realize that… that’s a shame :(

by natexpo on Dec 21, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He got a DUI after Harrisburg cliched the playoffs last year

Got to think he will get a chance somewhere, but not shure if it will be the nats

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 21, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I had a fanpost wondering the same thing.

But I hear Texas’ CF had some problems with alcohol in the minors too. Sad story. Curious what the rest of it is.

by chubias on Dec 21, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Standing pat............

The team should improve 4-5 wins because the team is young and on the up swing. Yes Morse had a career year. Werth also had a career year…..LOL………Espi played every game. ZIMM missed 60 games.

The team should go all out for GIO.

The team should probably sign Prince.

Right now I’ll live with Morse-Ankeil-Werth with BERNIE playing twice a week and Princeat 1st.

I wish you people would stop saying were going to start to compete when Harper gets here……..For all you know he struggles all season hitting .219……….We need to be a playoff team without him and then maybe he puts us over the top.

Also…………STRAS needs to be able to pitch until the season is over. He needs breaks at some point or a DL stint for something minor…………

Its not a given that we just turn into a perenial division winner. continuing to waste years “we’ll just compete next year”. Its time to have the attitude that……

NEXT YEAR IS FINALLY HERE!!!!!

by artistfork on Dec 22, 2011 7:32 AM EST reply actions  

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