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Washington Nationals Acquire LHP Gio Gonzalez, RHP Robert Gilliam For Brad Peacock, A.J. Cole, Tom Milone And Derek Norris.

OAKLAND, CA - SEPTEMBER 17: Gio Gonzalez #47 of the Oakland Athletics pitches against the Detroit Tiger during an MLB baseball game at O.co Coliseum on September 17, 2011 in Oakland, California.  (Photo by Thearon W. Henderson/Getty Images)

Asked about a potential trade to the nation's capital on Wednesday in an MLB Network Radio interview with Jim Bowden and Casey Stern, 26-year-old left-hander Gio Gonzalez, then an A's starter, told the hosts if he was dealt to Washington from Oakland, "I'll be at the White House every day." Asked if he had any preference for where he might land, Gonzalez declined to pick a destination, explaining, "I always say, wherever they want me, wherever the team is willing to have me play on the team and put me in the rotation, I'll be more than happy to shine like a star there." Earlier this afternoon, the Nationals and A's agreed on the 4-for-1* deal for Gonzalez that had been talked about in the press for over a week now.

Star-divide

Gonzalez said the idea of pitching in meaningful games in the future excited him. "The teams that are contending and the teams that are out trying to pick up players and put a team together, I think that's awesome. I think when you can put a team together and go out there and try to win a title or at least fight for one, that to me is what you play for. It's what every baseball player plays for." Thursday afternoon, the deal between the A's and Nats was announced with Oakland acquiring 23-year-old right-hander Brad Peacock, 19-year-old righty A.J. Cole, 24-year-old left-hander Tommy Milone and 22-year-old catcher Derek Norris in exchange for Gonzalez. With the move, the Nationals seem to be signaling that they're one of the teams trying to build a contender...

In Washington, Gonzalez, a four-year veteran who finished the 2011 season with a (16-12) record in 32 starts and 202.0 IP over which he had a 3.12 ERA, 3.64 FIP, a league-leading 91 walks (4.05 BB/9) and 197 K's (8.78 K/9), will be pitching atop the Nats' rotation along with 23-year-old right-hander Stephen Strasburg and 25-year-old right-hander Jordan Zimmermann in a pitching corps that is likely to include 27-year-old left-hander John Lannan, 31-year-old Chien-Ming Wang and 25-year-old '07 1st Round pick lefty Ross Detwiler.

Asked about his one glaring weakness, his high walk totals, in the MLB Network Radio interview, and how he could cut down on the free passes, Gonzalez said, "It's tough to say, because there's so many things about baseball you can't really touch upon. You can blame it on so many things, you can look at it so many ways. It's tough. It could be, I throw maybe a good breaking ball on a good count and the hitter didn't swing, the umpire might have missed it a little bit, it could have been a ball, it could have been a strike, or it was just too good a pitch that he laid off of it. Maybe it was in the right spot, but it wasn't what the hitter was looking for. There's so many things that can happen, but at the same time you look at the strikeout ratio, it was still up there, so it's almost like you're going to get one or the other, you know what I mean."

The Nationals and A's had reportedly been talking about a potential deal since the Winter Meetings, with Washington originally balking (at least publicly) at the return Oakland was after, but a few days ago FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) reported that the two teams were talking again, writing that his sources told him the Nationals were, "... pushing hard for Gio. Discussing 4-for-1 trade with Athletics." D.C. GM Mike Rizzo and the Nats pushed hard but lost out on Mark Buehrle, who signed with Miami. After that deal was announced, the Nats' GM told reporters Washington was then more likely to acquire a pitcher via a trade.

Rizzo had talked about the Nationals willingness to deal from their depth for some time now, telling reporters in including Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore, as quoted in an article entitled, "Nationals, Mike Rizzo want to acquire outfielder, starting pitching this offseason", in a late-September interview that he believed the Nationals', "'... pitching depth is the best I’ve seen since I’ve been around here, since the Lerners acquired the team. We certainly would discuss trades to fill some of our needs, if the trade makes sense.'" In a late-October discussion with reporters, Rizzo explained that though Washington was happy with the pitchers they had, "...we're always looking to upgrade and to improve our rotation. What we're trying to do via free agency or on the trade market, international market, would be to improve our rotation and we're always looking to upgrade."

When the idea of a trade from the Nats' organizational depth came up in a discussion with the Washington Post's Thomas Boswell last winter, the WaPost writer said that Rizzo was always willing to part with prospects in return for proven talent, because, "Rizzo hates the words 'prospect' and 'potential,'":

"They are usually surrounded by a curse word. He loves the phrase 'proven major-league production.' You ALWAYS trade the former for the latter. In trades, from his Arizona days, Mike likes to see teams prey on the Baseball America List Syndrome. Find a (poor) team that's greedy to tell its fans that they just traded a star for several prospects who are "Rated No. blah-blah-blah."

The Nats gave up three players that were on this year's edition of Baseball America's Top 10 Prospects list, but they traded potential for a starter that slots in nicely alongside Strasburg and Zimmermann as a solid 1-2-3 and instantly improves the Nationals' rotation. Washington added a pitcher that (barring any unforeseen circumstances) can pitch alongside Strasburg and Zimmermann for the next 3-4 years at a fairly reasonable cost. The Nationals entered the offseason saying they thought they were a starter and an outfielder away from contention. They got their starter today...

(ed. note - "Apparently it's a 4-for-2 trade with the Nationals also acquiring 24-year-old right-hander Robert Gilliam, an '09 8th Round pick who was (12-7) with 48 walks (2.63 BB/9) and 156 K's (8.54 K/9) in 28 games and 164.1 IP for the A's high A affiliate.")

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I like this trade. Strengthens the team and gives them the second best rotation in the division.

The reaction to this trade has surprised me. Gio is a 200+ inning pitcher coming off an all star season with 4 years of control. People act like we traded Harper and Strasburgh, not prospects with potential but certainly not guarantees.

Everyone has been waiting for the Nats to contend, now they can.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents. As are we all."
---Malachi Constant

by The Herndon Kid on Dec 22, 2011 8:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I dont think this move by itself puts them into contention

in they add a bat, this is a good trade. If they dont its a bad trade

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 22, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, disagree somewhat

The trade is for four years of Gonzalez; they may have picked him up looking more to 2013 more than 2012 (three TOR pitchers + lineup potentially with Morse, Rendon, Espinosa, Zimmerman, Ramos, Werth, Harper and a CFTBNL).

by d_c_guy on Dec 22, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate him already....

“Asked how he could cut down on the free passes” dude lays out a 9 or 10 sentence answer. Talking about excuses and reasons. How about 2 words…..THROW STRIKES. Worst part is going to be when it doesn’t cost nearly this much for another team to get King Felix from Seattle.

You don’t do this unless 1) you are going to sign Fielder and 2) Harper is up on day one next year. Those two things happen, I don’t hate this quite as much. You rely on LaRoche at 1B and keep Harper in the minors this is stupid. Gave up a ton of our future for a the next 4 years. Don’t waste those 4 years.

by Jordven Strasermann on Dec 22, 2011 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

It would take this plus Rendon and maybe Hood to get Felix from Seattle

and really, do you think that he would be better if after a report asks him how to cut down on walks he just syas throw strikes. really

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 22, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

dont worry about the response

crash davis will get him straight on the bus ride over to the district

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man

by TJL on Dec 22, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Just smells of desperation.

Gio Gonzalez is not the missing piece. Rizzo always talked about adding a guy that could be an ace in front of the 2 kids. He didn’t do that – and he gave up a ton to bring in a guy who is our #3 pitcher.

by Jordven Strasermann on Dec 22, 2011 8:24 PM EST reply actions  

We have an ace

his name is Stephen Strasburg

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 22, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Like it would really hurt to have a 2nd one?

Any of the three guys we gave up could easily end up being Gio Gonzalez.

by Jordven Strasermann on Dec 22, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

If we wanted a #3....

Hideki Kuroda could have been had for 0 prospects.

by Jordven Strasermann on Dec 22, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

One year fix

this trade gives you a fairly known thing for 4 years. If they dont add a bat I dont like this trade, but if they get a bat they will be in contention NOW, and in the future. If I said you could trade Cole, Norris, Peacock, and Milone for the playoffs, would you take it?

Basicly what I am saying is what I think of this depends on what else they do

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 22, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Would definitely take that....

but we traded them for Gio Gonzalez and I don’t think that puts us in the playoffs. Plus there is no indication they’re going to sign the only bat left – Fielder. Add that to the fact they don’t seem to be in any rush to bring up Harper and both Stras and Wang will be on innings limits next year and 1 of those 4 years are gone.

I hope you’re right. I really, really do. I would love to see this pan out. I just don’t see it.

by Jordven Strasermann on Dec 22, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This trade also allows us to trade Detwiler for a CF

I think they could sign Fielder, just becuase assuming the Mariners dont have the money we are only competing with the Cubs for him. You could do something like Det/Low level prospect for Parra. Than we could just get some good AAA depth that can pitch decent in the majors if disater strikes(think Martin, J.D.) and you have yourself a very competive team. Add in Harper and possibly Rendon next year and they are even better. And say Rendon can play 2B that oppens up Desi for a trade, which could bring you more pitching, or hitting.

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 22, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I think its the exact opposite though...

this means Detwiler can’t go anywhere. There’s no depth behind the rotation now besides Detwiler. We just gave all the depth away. I love the idea of Rendon at 2B, but Desi isn’t a really hot commodity – we’re not bringing back much for him. Not to mention that until they get that CF (who can lead off) Desi is the ONLY option to lead off right now.

My real problem with this isn’t the “potential” we gave up. Potential is just that and nothing more. My problem is what we got in return for it – nothing special.

by Jordven Strasermann on Dec 22, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Det really serves no value in the pen

As he is not an upgrade over what we have. A key part of this is getting good depth guys, so that we can trade Det
Desi is staying this year, he wont be gone till next year at the earliest IMO. Im just dreaming about a Rendon, Zim, Espi, and whoever is at 1B infield. Also Gio is only 26, so his best years might not have come yet

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 22, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

There still is some depth in the rotation

Because they tendered Gorzelanny. To me there’s not much dropoff (if any) from Detwiler to Gorzelanny.

by d_c_guy on Dec 22, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Biggest dropoff is in potential

Detwiler has the potential to be better than Gorzy.

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 22, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, Gorzy is decent, but he’s a 3 starter at best, and a spot starter on a contender.

"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."

by Whiter Mage on Dec 22, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Huroki Kuroda? I’d still love to see the Nats snatch him up at the right price, he’s highly underrated. But he doesn’t give the team the same 1-2-3 punch that a Stras, J-Zim, and Gio give. He’s also a righty, and we have those in spades.

"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."

by Whiter Mage on Dec 22, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

philly had 4 last season

and didn’t even sniff the pennant

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man

by TJL on Dec 22, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

No one

with less than 100 IP (and a major injury) can really be called an ace by any definition of the word.

by afrosupreme on Dec 24, 2011 7:44 AM EST up reply actions  

how about "ace presumptive"

to borrow from our English cousins across the Atlantic …

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Dec 24, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

prospects

That whole “hating prospects” tidbit seems eerily similar to the redskins mindset before shannahan showed up with the redskins when they traded away all their draft picks. And look at where they are…

by fballplyr92 on Dec 22, 2011 8:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Except

They still have many of their top prospects in Purke, Meyer, Goodwin, Rendon. For example.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 22, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The Redskins are in a sport where roster positions don’t allow for a minor league system. Four baseball prospects are hardly the same as four football prospects, and even if they are the same, if you’re a Redskins fan, would you be pissed off if the Redskins sent away two back up wide-outs, a back up running back, and a back up QB (When you already have your franchise QB, WR, and RB) and you picked up another stud WR to supplement? Yeah, I make that trade ten days out of five.

"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."

by Whiter Mage on Dec 22, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome Gio Gonzalez to the Nats.

Hope he performs well. The Nats over paid. C Norris, RHPs Cole and Peacock and LHP Milone will be missed. Those are some good prospects. EXTREMELY PRELIMINARY Rankings by John Sickels 3) A.J. Cole (Grade B+), 4) Peacock (Grade B Borderline B+), 6) Derek Norris (Grade B) and 9) Tom Milone (Grade B-).

by HG_VA on Dec 22, 2011 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

Overpaid, but I think the Nats have 3 of 5 starters now who are good, young, and have a lot of potential. This is a good place to be in.

"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."

by Whiter Mage on Dec 22, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Like It!!!!

How can you not like this trade????…For the most part you are trading away prospects that will more than likely never be as good as the player you are getting in return. Norris is an injury prone 250 ba catcher with a little pop, Milone is a lefty junk baller, peacock is only has two pitches and more then likely will end up as a bp guy as well as milone. Cole is the only question mark…He has potential but is two young to know what he will project to be….I like it and I am ready to see them in march

by Philpott on Dec 22, 2011 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

Looking at next years FA class, it matches up with the nats very well

players marked with an * means they have a option year
SP(just looking for guys who could replace Wang if the kids dont prove there ready)
Scott Baker
Matt Cain
Jorge De La Rosa*
R.A. Dickey*
Zack Greinkie
Cole Hamels
Dan Haren*
Tim Hudson*
Francisco Liriano
Shaun Marcum
Jason Marquis
Brandon McCarthy
Anibal Sánchez
Ervin Santana*
James Shields*
Chien-Ming Wang
Center Field
Michael Bourn
Marlon Byrd
Melky Cabrera
Angel Pagan
Grady Sizemore
B.J. Upton
Shane Victorino

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 22, 2011 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

Huh

I wouldn’t mind RA Dickey. I don’t think De La Rosa, Hudson, Haren, Liriano, Santana, or Shields even get close to free agency. I’d love to see Grady Sizemore here, but Cabrera is probably a better option (to my eyes).

I’d like to add that this and all of my comments are made with no real baseball knowledge, and I just now realized this.

"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."

by Whiter Mage on Dec 22, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The list is from mlbtr

Who is usually right

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 22, 2011 10:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I mean, my earlier comments + that comment I made. Not your list. My mistake.

"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."

by Whiter Mage on Dec 22, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats fine. I was actualy just as suprised you where to see some of thoes names. For thoes wondering Adam LaRoche is the best FA 1B next year.

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 22, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Then I hope his recovery is complete!

I just don’t see Marrero as a top 1B.

"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011

by MissB on Dec 22, 2011 11:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Knowing that Laroche highlights the 1B free agency class next year…do you push harder for Fielder?

"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."

by Whiter Mage on Dec 22, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Not me...ducks and runs from RobBob!

I think an AL team will/should get Fielder so he can DH the last 3-4 years of the contract Boras plans to ram down the Fielder Sweepstakes “winner’s” throat.

"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011

by MissB on Dec 22, 2011 11:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Couldn’t an NL side sign him, get his 1B years out of the way, and then move him to the AL for something down the road?

"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."

by Whiter Mage on Dec 22, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably not with a back-loaded contract and

serious drop-off in production.
But sillier things have happened!

"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011

by MissB on Dec 23, 2011 12:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think a contract like this is going to be back-loaded.

But I also don’t know baseball contracts like I know NHL stuff.

"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."

by Whiter Mage on Dec 23, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I cant see Fielder getting more than 6 years

because only the Mariners seem to really want Prince, and they dont seem to have the money.

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 23, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

For the Record

I am against signing Prince. I think you concentrate on finding a CF solution. I think between the money you save, the increase in wins saved in dfense by moving Morse to 1b, and keeping Werth in RF, you make up for the value Fielder provides. You also have money to save for Zimm and go after FA’s next year *Greinke, McCarthy, etc.)

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 22, 2011 9:26 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

But Harper, Coco Crisp, Werth

Is far far better than Morse, Werth, Harper.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Dec 22, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1 I like Coco Crisp...very energetic guy who

has experience with GG.

I seriously worry about Morse in LF with Werth in CF. That does the pitching staff no favors and probably costs them a few games with the substandard D.

"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011

by MissB on Dec 22, 2011 11:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree we need an upgrade in CF, but I hope that it's Cespedes

That would explain a lot why they were so silent in trade activity at the Winter Meetings. Has a CF moved yet? So far, there may not have been anyone but Cespedes available.

Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.

by souldrummer on Dec 22, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

6 spots and 7 pitchers

Stephen Strasburg, Jordan Zimmermann, John Lannan, Chien-Ming Wang, Ross Detwiler, Tom Gorzelanny and Gio Gonzalez. They need 5 SP and one long reliever so 6 spots and 7 pitchers. Do they trade one for a CF?

Stephen Strasburg, Jordan Zimmermann and Chien-Ming Wang are not going anywhere. Detwiler is out of options can’t ride the bus. John Lannan and Tom Gorzelanny are FA in 2 years.

They just traded alway a 2 of the Major leaguq ready high level prospects.

by HG_VA on Dec 22, 2011 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

Can't they just include Lannan im some trade?

I keep hoping he becomes irrevelevant… SOON.

"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011

by MissB on Dec 22, 2011 11:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't hope that Lannan becomes irrelevant but I'm with you.

I’d like to see Ross Detwiler’s upside get a real chance to shine. It’s going to be tougher to move arbitration eligible John Lannan than affordable Ross Detwiler at this point, though.

Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.

by souldrummer on Dec 22, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I know! SIGHHHHHHhhh.

I think Det has a much higher ceiling and wish he’d get the SP spot over Lannan.

"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011

by MissB on Dec 22, 2011 11:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I hope Lannan makes you eat those words

:-)

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!

by ricksnats on Dec 23, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

i wou.d have much rather done Detwiler for Wandy

gio walks twice as many guys as he should

Hideki Matsui: "Kick ass. Pop champagne. And get some ho's."

by Meatface on Dec 22, 2011 9:45 PM EST reply actions  

Can we call him Nat Gio now?

"He takes a pitch low, and loses his helmet in the process. How did that happen?"

by TrickFurey on Dec 22, 2011 9:47 PM EST reply actions  

Just want to note...

In spite of claims elsewhere in the Natosphere…

I used NatGio first on 12/7!!!

heh.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 22, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Hah, awesome.

If anyone claims elsewise, I’ll make sure to set ’em straight.

"He takes a pitch low, and loses his helmet in the process. How did that happen?"

by TrickFurey on Dec 22, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I must say...

Today was the first time I did not enjoy reading what was said on this site. What’s with all the Negative Nancys coming out of the woodwork to criticize this trade? People that I have never seen post here feeling the need to vent because we traded four prospects for a proven young lefty. How many times throughout the years have we seen teams trade a star player for a bunch of prospects who were never heard from again? How many first round picks never made it to the bigs? Let’s all calm down people. Only time will tell who came out on top here. For now, we get a pretty darn good pitcher potentially entering his prime. We know what we got. The A’s won’t know for some time.

by Expos 4ever on Dec 22, 2011 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

I think the ghost of Bartolo Colon can haunt some of our community

Also, this is the first time that we’ve seen guys we get attached to move. Milone provided us with a great memory with his home run in his first MLB at bat and was an innings eating machine the past two years. I followed that guy start by start and it’s painful to see him go. Likewise, I was really looking forward to seeing AJ Cole pitch at Potomac at some point and seeing Brad Peacock’s filthy 2011 get a trial at some point in DC in 2012. And I’ve always been all in for Derek Norris.

You get attached to these guys somewhat and that’s why my initial reaction to the trade, especially one that included AJ Cole, was negative. I’m back to In Rizzo We Trust Now. The way to assess this move is do we make the playoffs past the wildcard play-in in the next two years. If we do, Rizzo wins. If not, we gave up a bunch of cheap talent to help rebuild Oakland.

With my attachment to the players involved, I am now certainly rooting for Oakland in the AL West to eventually slay the giant spenders in Texas and Anaheim.

Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.

by souldrummer on Dec 22, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't fo bbbv rget the Vladimir Guerrero trade!

I was beginning to think Rizzo was over-valueing the prospects. I sure hope GG cuts down on the BBs…the Nats don’t need Lannan 2.0!

Rizzo STILL needs to add O to the team to truly upgrade the team,
.

"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011

by MissB on Dec 22, 2011 11:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

*Forget

"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011

by MissB on Dec 22, 2011 11:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Heh.

Drifted off with my finger on the phone.
;-)

"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011

by MissB on Dec 22, 2011 11:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

More moves.........

I’m still not sure if signing PRINCE is a smart move…….I never want to see a Morse/Werth/Harper Out field

I could see DET or Lannen now being moved.

It hurts a bit to see all three pitchers go. It would have been nice if we could have moved a roster player or another minors posistion player instead.

by artistfork on Dec 23, 2011 12:43 AM EST reply actions  

Surprisingly enough, I agree with this

I think the Nats can get away with Werth in CF this year, but not much beyond that. The piece that bothers me is Cole. Agreed, he’s the furthest away from the majors, but he also has the highest upside. Sickels thinks Peacock and Milone could be TOR starters, but others forecast BOR at best, with Fangraphs and Law thinking Peacock or both may end up in the ’pen.

I’m warming to the deal the more I think about it. Nats Park profiles as similar to the Mausoleum Coliseum in the pitchers/hitters park spectrum, and the Nats’ defense actually profiled as slightly better than Oakland’s in 2012 in terms of fielding efficiency. Morse should be no worse than Willingham/Matsui in LF.

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Dec 23, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

GIO

I’m hearing talk of inflated ERA for GIO?………

Well………. he now gets to face at minimum 66 pitchers or 22 innings of Pitchers……..Hitting.

Thats 11%……………Thats the DH……….

by artistfork on Dec 23, 2011 12:46 AM EST reply actions  

Gio Comparables

Using data from 2010-2011 seasons and the skill stats of K/9, BB/9, GB/FB here are Gio Gonzalez’ closest comparables.

Gio Gonzales 8.23 4.09 1.4

Jorge de la Rosa 8.22 3.84 1.55
Felipe Paulino 8.37 3.97 1.13
Ubaldo Jimenez 8.65 3.73 1.41
Ryan Dempster 8.6 3.62 1.27
Francisco Liriano 8.62 3.64 1.66
C.J. Wilson 7.92 3.52 1.51
A.J. Burnett 7.6 3.85 1.35
Tom Gorzelanny 7.91 3.77 0.89
Jhoulys Chacin 7.66 4.04 1.83
James McDonald 7.8 3.9 0.86
Chad Billingsley 7.66 3.63 1.44
Bud Norris 8.85 3.89 1.06
Wandy Rodriguez 8.02 3.19 1.39
Anibal Sanchez 8.26 3.08 1.21
Rich Harden 8.63 4.76 0.68
Derek Holland 7.61 3.2 1.3
Daisuke Matsuzaka 7.53 4.55 0.69
Jon Lester 9.17 3.56 1.65
Carlos Zambrano 7.1 4.11 1.13
J.A. Happ 7.53 4.8 0.8

by Xeifrank on Dec 23, 2011 2:17 AM EST reply actions  

Whoa Pat!

It seems that you believe that this move somehow answers Boswells claim that the Lerners are cheap. How so? In fact it further spotlights the organizational cheapskate thinking. They keep touting the fact that Gio “is young and under team control thru 2016.” Yeppers sounds like the Lerners to me! Now if they open up the purse and pay for a free agent hitter I might think otherwise but as of now…Nah, nothing has changed.

BTW: I do NOT think the Nats should consider signing FIelder. Maybe if they can get him for 5 years or so. Anything beyond that seems questionable to me.

We need a monster bat or a hitting machine in Center field….Then look out NL East! Bur where oh where to get one????

By the way…GIve Zim his EXTENSION…geez!

by OldReddog on Dec 23, 2011 7:23 AM EST reply actions  

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