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Breaking Down the Gio Gonzalez Trade


So the Nats finally made their big splash this offseason, but after signing Mike Cameron to a minor league deal and Mark DeRosa along with his one good wrist, Rizzo realized that they'd only filled out the 24th and 25th spots on their roster. What Washington has needed for the past two off-seasons was another starting pitcher to slot in behind Strasburg and Zimmermann and hopefully they've found it in Gio Gonzales.

While some people may point to Gonzalez' home/away splits as cause for concern, for me the concern is really tied to the number of free passes Gonzales gives up (4.1 BB/9). All of that being said, he's still a guy that had an 8.8 k/9 last year and if he can control the walks could easily elevate himself into elite status, which is a big if, but the stuff is definitely there. Another thing that bodes well for Gonzalez is that he doesn't have a great reputation for being mentally tough and scouts have knocked his on-field mental makeup in the past, but with the Nats he won't be asked to be the guy, or even the #2, which should take a lot of pressure off of Gonzalez.

As for the players Gonzalez was dealt for, at first glance it appears that the A's got quite a haul. However, the more closely I examine each of these guys, the more they start to look more Willie Mo Pena than Willie Mays. Beginning at the top of the class with A.J. Cole, Cole has a big arm and could be a front of the rotation starter by 2013 or 2014. Still, he's very young and has a ways to go. While Cole was never listed on the Baseball America top 100 prospect list, as the Nats #4 overall prospect it's generous to assume that he would have landed somewhere in the 40-60 range this year. Just for arguments sake, the pitchers who appeared in the 2009 BA Top 100 were as follows: 41 - Jordan Zimmermann, 45- Tim Alderson, 46 - Jhoulys Chacin, 52 - Carlos Carrasco, 54 - Michael Inoa and 56 - James McDonald. Of those six pitchers, only two, Zimmermann and Chacin look to have bright futures in the big leagues. McDonald may very well become a dependable big leaguer, but Alderson and Inoa have both regressed since then and Carrasco doesn't appear to be much. Essentially, that's two out of six pitchers, but the thing those two had in common was that both had a few years under their belt and success in the minor leagues. Players such as Cole have further to go and thus are much harder to project, still there's a better chance that Cole is a never-was than of him becoming a future ace.

Second, is Brad Peacock, who had a great season in the minor leagues in 2011 before getting a cup of coffee in September. Peacock throws hard and has above average control, still some scouts see his future in the bullpen vs. as a starter. He needs to develop a better second pitch to remain a starter, but should have a good future in the 'pen as is.

Third is Derek Norris, Norris is a bat-first catcher who has struggled to hit for average and will likely repeat AA this year. He has power and a good OBP, but some still question whether he will be able to remain behind the plate where most of his value lies. After all, a good hitting catcher is much tougher to find than a good hitting 1B. Still, this was a position of significant depth for the Nats and Norris was blocked by both Flores and Ramos.

Finally, is Tommy Millone, who fits the very definition of crafty left-hander. He hides the ball well, changes speeds, but only throws about 85-86 MPH. Far more pitchers like Millone are able to have success in AA and AAA, but never have success at the next level than guys like Kurt Rueter who are able to fashion a career out of being left-handed.

So, if you look at this trade from the most optimistic of perspectives, than the Nats gave up a bunch of never will-be's for a front of the rotation starter under team control for 4 years. If you're a pessimist, than the Nats gave up two front of the rotation starters in Peacock and Cole, a middle of the rotation starter in Millone and the next Mike Napoli in Derek Norris. Having seen all of these guys play with the exception of Cole, I think the Nats gave up a future #2 in Cole, a future bullpen guy in Peacock and a couple of never-will-be's in Millone and Norris for a guy who should pitch like an above average #3. Not a steal for either side, but one in which they both get what they wanted and have room for upside.

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Great stuff!

I was considering taking a look like this, now that I’ve finished up my grades for the semester, but I don’t think I could provide a better basis for rationale discussion than what you’ve got here. I think you are right about the whole spectrum of possibilities, as well as the respective probabilities.

For what it’s worth, I’m with you that I’d rather have an as-sure-as-you-can-hope-for 3 under team control for four years than the four possibles based on what I think was a very fair assessment of their likely future on your part.

This is what it takes to go to the next level: you solidify a sure upgrade without losing any of your current roster or your financial flexibility. This, as opposed to losing current guys as would have happened with the Greinke trade or losing financial room by getting a low-ceilinged Buehrle for a ton of money…

by William.Hatheway on Dec 23, 2011 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

Perhaps a little harsh on what the Nationals gave up?

The team got Gio, a LHSP with youth (26) and controlability (4 years) left as a #2-3 to go with Strasburg & JZimm. They gave up a fair bit in return, some of which stung a bit, imo.
- Brad Peacock: 23yo RH, likely slotted for SYR to begin the season, but could have easily been the late-season plug-in for Strasburg when he was closed down.
- Tommy Milone: 24yo LH, another starter slotted for SYR, but would have been #1 on-call should any of the Nationals starters go down with injury.
- Derrick Norris: 22yo CA, needed another year at either SYR or HAR to further hone skills; Not quite ready, so not blocked by Ramos/Flores at the top.
- A.J.Cole: 19yo RH, still 2-3 years away. Probably the biggest gamble in this trade. He’s a high-end prospect right now, but you never know where that’s gonna end up.

"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3

by BinM on Dec 26, 2011 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

underrating uncertainty

Great post, great points. A lot of baseball writers who write about prospects when analyzing trades tend to say they project to a #2 or a #3 starter and evaluate them based on that value. They never talk about the fact that most minor league pitchers who project to #2 or #3 starters, never get out of AA. That risk has to be factored in. The Nats didn’t give up 3 guys who will be #2 or #3 starters. They gave up 3 three guys with a chance to do that.

In this deal, Cole in particular is incredibly uncertain. The odds of him becoming an established big league starting pitcher are very slim. Even Peacock and Millone have only had cups of coffee in the bigs. They are still significant risks for the next 2-3 years. Gonzalez on the other hand has two years of 200 innings in the big leagues. He has as little risk as you can get in terms of how he will perform in 2012.

As for Gio’s stats. The stats for which he has bad home/away splits are basically ERA if I remember right. That’s a horrible stat, hugely luck driven. His FIP and xFIP which are much better predicters of performance, are the same or even better away vs. home. So, that doesn’t worry me at all. Also, his high walk rate. Yes, it’s worrisome and is an impediment to his becoming an ace. But, with all the strikeouts he gets and his strong home run to fly ball rates, there’s no reason to think his performance will regress. His walks have been high both years and both years he got good results that way. I liken it to a high OBP hitter who strikes out a lot. Who cares?? He gets on base. Same here, who cares if he walks guys, he gives up runs despite that. So, I think he will be an excellent #3 starter for any team and a massive upgrade at that spot for the Nats.

Did anyone else see that Olney rated our rotation #8 now??? Huge step forward, can’t wait for the season to start!

by Avar on Dec 26, 2011 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

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