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Wire Taps: Washington Nationals' CF Search Options - Yoenis Cespedes, Coco Crisp, Peter Bourjos.

MIAMI GARDENS, FL - SEPTEMBER 27:  Jayson Werth #28 of the Washington Nationals makes a catch during a game against the Florida Marlins at Sun Life Stadium on September 27, 2011 in Miami Gardens, Florida.  (Photo by Mike Ehrmann/Getty Images)

Starter? Check. Center fielder? Still searching. D.C. GM Mike Rizzo told reporters last week Washington would continue to look for the right deal or player to fill the hole at the top of their lineup and in the middle of their outfield, but Rizzo once again reiterated that the Nats had options. "We feel that if the right fit for us for a center fielder," Rizzo said, "a long-term center field piece came to us, we would certainly be aggressive and address it and go after it either via the free agent market or the trade market."

It's a search that's gone on for two years now since the Nats decided to part ways with Nyjer Morgan rather than wait for him to figure things out. Boston Globe writer Nick Cafardo mentioned the Nationals in connection with four of the eight outfielders he wrote about on Sunday in an article entitled, "MLB teams haven’t finished shopping yet." 26-year-old international free agent-to-be Yoenis Cespedes should be available any day (or week) now, and the Boston Globe baseball writer reports that among teams showing interest in Cespedes, "The Marlins are being very aggressive, and the Nationals are right behind them."

Star-divide

Is B.J. Upton still an option? The Nats' GM said not much had changed in those discussions when they were revisited during the Winter Meetings, but as the Boston Globe's Mr. Cafardo notes, "The rumors with the Nationals have been endless." The 27-year-old Rays' center fielder is headed for arbitration and due a substantial raise to an estimated $7-$8M dollars this season, but he's a free agent after this year and Tampa Bay can try to trade him again in July if they don't find a deal they like this winter once they know if the Rays are going to compete in the AL East.

32-year-old outfielder Coco Crisp spent the 2010 and '11 seasons in Oakland where the outfielder had a combined .269/.314/.379 line in 211 games and 911 plate appearances. Bill James' projections have Crisp at .271/.333/.395 in 2012. Crisp tied for the AL lead in stolen bases with 49 in 58 attempts in 2011. The Boston Globe's Mr. Cafardo says the free agent who signed for 2-years/$10.5 in Oakland in 2010, "... would seem a fit for the Nationals or Rangers."

Another "good fit for the Nationals," in Mr. Cafardo's opinion? Peter Bourjos. There was talk of the Nats' interest in the 24-year-old outfielder the Boston Globe writer says is on the outside of an outfield trio in Anaheim that's likely to include top prospect Mike Trout, Vernon Wells and Torii Hunter. FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal's (@Ken_Rosenthal) wrote about Washington's interest in Bourjos in early December, noting on twitter that the, "Nationals' CF targets include Bourjos, Upton, maybe Pagan if non-tendered. Cespedes also possibility."

Bourjos, an '05 10th Round pick, who hit 26 doubles, 11 triples and 12 HR's last season, stole 22 bases and put up a .271/.327/.438 line in 147 games and 552 plate appearances with the Angels, is considered a part of the Angels' future however, as NatsInsider.com's Mark Zuckerman reported during the Winter Meetings, so his availability is questionable and even if LA/Anaheim made him available the price would be steep.

The Nationals have explored each trade option and they've scouted Cespedes, though their level of interest in entering a bidding war for the outfielder is unclear. Washington's still looking for a center fielder though as the Nats GM told reporters last week, "We still haven't gotten off that. We still feel that that's a need for us. We do feel that we have in-house candidates right now that can fill that position very effectively." As the general manager's mentioned before, the Nats are fine going with Jayson Werth in center if they can't find the right outfielder this winter, so the Nationals don't seem too desperate right now.

After all, with Werth in center that could open up right field for the Nats' top outfield prospect...

The Boston Globe writer mentions elsewhere in his article that one of the big questions in baseball is just when the Nationals plan to bring Bryce Harper to the nation's capital? "When to spring him loose in the majors?" Mr. Cafardo writes, "That’s the question the Nationals will be struggling with." The 19-year-old 2010 no.1 overall pick finished his first pro season with a .297/.392/.501 line after 72 games and 305 plate appearances at Class-A Hagerstown and 37 games and 147 PA's at Double-A Harrisburg before a hamstring injury.

Harper played in the Arizona Fall League for the second-straight season, posting a .333/.400/.634 slash with six doubles, two triples, six HR's, 26 RBI's, 11 walks and 22 K's in 25 games and 93 at bats. Davey Johnson's told Mike Rizzo to keep an open mind heading into Spring Training and the Boston Globe's baseball writer reports that a "talent evaluator" with another MLB team told him, "'There are people in their organization who think he should make the team out of spring training," but, Mr. Cafardo writes, "Washington GM Mike Rizzo is going to be a bit more cautious and let him develop."

There's one other Nats mention in the Boston Globe writer's Nationals-filled Sunday column...as a potential destination for Prince Fielder. "The Nationals are very active and seem to have a lot of money to spend," Mr. Cafardo writes, but so are the Rangers, Cubs, Orioles and Mariners. Will Prince Fielder be the next big name to sign?

• One more thing...Brad Peacock and Tom Milone were both expected to play a role in the 2012 Nats' rotation whether or not they started the season in D.C. (or Chicago more accurately), but they were both dealt to Oakland in last week's trade for Gio Gonzalez. Gonzalez fits in atop the rotation and replaces one of the two, but would the Nationals consider signing another pitcher to give them back some of the depth they lost in terms of MLB-ready arms?

Washington was mentioned recently in a Daily Sports report translated at Yakubaka.com as a potential suitor for 30-year-old Tohoku Rakuten Golden Eagles' right-hander Hisashi Iwakuma who went through the posting process last season but failed to work out a deal with the Oakland A's. Iwakuma returned to Japan for the 2011 season, and missed time with a shoulder injury, but the 11-year-veteran was (6-7) in 17 starts with a 2.42 ERA, 19 walks (1.44 BB/9) and 90 K's (6.80 K/9) in 119.0 IP, and the 6'3'', 190-pound right-hander has an Eiji Sawamura Award (Japan's Cy Young) on his resume after a 2008 season in which he was (21-4) with a 1.87 ERA and 159 K's (7.10 K/9) in 28 games and 201.2 IP.

Though they didn't mention Washington, MLBTraderumors.com reported yesterday that four teams were talking to Iwakuma, who's now a free agent. Could the Nats, who passed on the bidding process for Yu Darvish sign a pitcher considered by some the second-best pitcher in Japan for $110-$115 million less than the Rangers are about to pay for Darvish?

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Good morning all

I think the best bet at this point is to go for Cespedes. I dont think its prudent to gut the farm system for another player, so sign Cespedes, or just go with what we have. I dont think my poor heart can stand losing Solis =P

If we dont sign Fielder, then what are we going to do next year? Are there any 1B upcoming FA’s that would fit the good defense mold? I dont think they believe Marrero is the answer.

by Fear_Redskins on Dec 26, 2011 7:58 AM EST reply actions  

Adam LaRoche is considered to be the best 1B

available FA for 2012…so not the same type of game/team-changers as this year’s 1B FAs.

(And I’m with you on Solis. Alas, I’m beginning to fear he’s snake-bitten with all his injuries…really worried about his lingering arm soreness.)

"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011

by MissB on Dec 26, 2011 8:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sign fielder!

I dont want to see LaRoche in there again for an extended stay because its not like we have someone we can promote from the Minors, unless Tyler Moore? (i think). Are they planning on moving Morse to 1B, Werth to left, Harper to right, and PTBNL in center? (Cespedes or Eury Perez in the far far future?)

by Fear_Redskins on Dec 26, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Wwrth in CF all season long is not a good option...

if the Nats really want to compete. The Nats need a super rangy CF to cover for Morse’s suspect D…and Werth’s excess slide and miss plays.
I still like Crisp for a year and hope Corey Brown improves and can stay healthy enough to claim CF in 2013.

"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011

by MissB on Dec 26, 2011 8:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Gah...#Werth in CF is not a good option...

"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011

by MissB on Dec 26, 2011 8:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

thought it was the abbreviation for WereWerth...

As I was reading Patrick’s last two paragraphs a big red “DANGER!” sign started flashing in my head at the phrase “missed time with a shoulder injury”.

Unfortunately, it’s looking more and more as if Werth’s the best option in CF this year. Cespedes is an expensive unknown (and one I seriously doubt is ready for MLB), Crisp’s OPS is worse than I recalled, Upton will be expensive for a one-year rental, and Bourjos is insurance in case Wells’ 2011 was not a bad dream and Abreu continues to decompose.

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Dec 26, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

But he could gap-fill in CF this year against LHSP...

Would you want wereWerth there all year – no. He’s an option though part-time. Perez could be the future (rangy, solid arm, ++speed), but his bat needs to play a year at AA first. Brown also needs to prove he can hit at high levels; maybe he’ll breakout in ST, maybe not. Cespedes would be a high-rsk signing, given his reported age (26) & the fact he’s been playing the equivalent of hi-A ball all these years in Cuba.

The team might just start spring training with Bernadina, Brown, & Cameron as probables, with Werth in their back pocket as insurance. Doesn’t mean it will end that way.

"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3

by BinM on Dec 26, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

And Rizzo isn't going to ...

Sign a guy who isn’t a part of both their short-term and long-term future like Crisp.

Certainly Borjous would be looked at as a piece in CF both now and into 2017. But not
Crisp.

Cespedes makes sense as he specs out as a corner outfielder with power even if
he isn’t a major league CF. If his age is accurate. He would be another Destin Hood.

The big, MONSTER, HUGE weakness in Patrick’s and most posts like this? NONE are left handed hitters. And the Nats lineup without Harper is totally right-handed except for one switch hitter and LaRoche. But if LaRoche gets moved before July? You still end up with one lefty in Harper.

Brian Goodwin is a left-handed hitter. Corey Brown is a left-handed hitter.

If Brown shows something in ST 2012 he could replace Nix on the bench and he certainly can without any doubt play CF extremely well.

My guess is Bernadina, Brown, Cameron as outfield depth giving the Nats excellent depth in CF behind Werth and sorely needed left-handed bats on the bench. Harper almost surely makes the team out of ST. Left-handed power bat.

by plebescite on Dec 26, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think crisp makes some sense

He could make a good stop gap until Harper is ready, and when Harper is ready he could go to the bench as the 4th OF

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 26, 2011 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

Don't sign Prince Fielder

I’ve never been a sign Prince Fielder advocate, but I have on occasion stuck my toe in those waters and I have decided that I just can’t bring myself to jump in.
When they signed Jason Werth I was okay with it, not because I thought he’d be worth the money, but for all the ancillary reasons – i.e. that it his signing changed the perception of the organization from a cheap do nothing loser to one that was serious about building a winner and that he/Rizzo was promoting the philosophy of athleticism, speed, and defense. For those reasons alone I think the signing was a good one and if they had the opportunity to do it all over again I would be for it. As for Fielder, evan though I think it likely that he would have a greater impact in the short term, possibly even making them a playoff favorite I don’t think that would offset the long term damage that his massive contract would create. I think the Nats need to be patient here and not go for the fools gold.
If the FO wants to retain it’s current level of credibility (at least with me) and have us (me) believe them when they say things like this organization is about athleticism, speed, etc. etc. then they need to resist the temptation that is Prince Fielder.
Also, I would refer you to this piece by Joe Posnanski and ask if you would like to have another player on the team that makes this top ten list. Gotta run… I apologize in advance for the fact that I have done zero editing (not that that has ever helped).

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/10/11/the-worst-contracts-in-baseball/

by PerryMason on Dec 26, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

Reason to sign Fielder is in your post...

Being able to sign guys like Fielder is why we paid Werth. Why did we overpay for Werth if not to show other big free agents we’re “serious”. And we can’t be “serious” with Laroche at 1B. Now, if – and it’s still a fairly big if in my mind – Morse continues to rake, I’m all for Morse at 1B. Still doesn’t fill either the CF or the LF or RF hole moving him creates. I know, I know, Harper fills that hole, but when?

Until we have Harper and Rendon and until they both prove they’re legit this lineup is still sorely lacking in the middle. We’ve got 2 guys that can approach 30 bombs in Zimm and Morse but they are no lock to do so. We’d be lucky (god I hope so) to see Werth hit 25 again. Now, if it’s really 10 yrs for Fielder, fair enough, stay out. But if we don’t add Fielder then let’s all get off this “contender” space until next season. No team with Laroche penciled in at 1B and RogerB (or god forbid Mike Cameron – just retire already) penciled in at CF is a contender.

Gio learns to throw more strikes, JZimm and Stras stay healthy, Harper and Rendon are legit? Then we’ve got a shot for the post-season in 2013.

by Jordven Strasermann on Dec 26, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Harper will be up by June and immediately becomes the Nats third or fourth best hitter.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Dec 26, 2011 2:07 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

That's just not accurate.

A team can win a WS with Adam Laroche. The question is whether WE can, and the outlook is not good as it stands. If Werth can hit anything like he did the three years prior to 2011, we’re well above average offensively in CF. Morse will have us comfortably above average in LF, and I really think Harper will hold his own in RF. Zimmerman is top-three at 3B offensively, and Espinosa and Ramos should both be solidly above-average offensively at their positions.

The fact is, while a guy like Prince would take the whole lineup to another level, slotting Laroche, who is consistently average for his position, is not really that bad. We’re above average in enough other ways, to say nothing for our pitching and defense, that our offensive production should be fine.

by rarumberger on Dec 26, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant the outlook IS good. Derp.

Not that I’m suggesting we’re World Series bound. But we’re a few good breaks from it being possible.

by rarumberger on Dec 26, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

PerryMason I share your dread of a Prince Fielder signing

…his massive contract, massive waistline, massive ego, and massive fall-off in production after he turns 30. His fielding and leadership are less than average; work habits and conditioning obviously terrible; no focus, and no intensity. Laughed it up with the Cardinals at 1B while his team was losing, then flipped off his team, and his fans, and left ’em like LeBron left Cleveland.

Everything about Fielder screams “Stiff” to me. Two, three more really good years, tops – then nothing, or not much, for as far as the eye can see, with a smirking “up yours” for anybody who don’t like it.

Beware. All that glitters ain’t gold…and sometimes it just turns to sh*t.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Dec 26, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s a huge red flag that even in his contract year he wasn’t able to get his weight down. I was looking at some photos of Cecil during his playing days and saw any showing him carrying as much weight as Prince is now.

by PerryMason on Dec 26, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed w/ both you & whupass...

The only way Fielder is viable for the Nationals is on a 5-6 year contract, and Boras will never go that low with a top-tier hitter / client. It wouldn’t suprise me if Rizzo had said as much to Boras at the Winter Meetings, but is remaining quiet so as not to ‘taint the well’ in the future. Let Boras market his client, and use the Nats as his ‘mystery’ team to leverage the bidders he can get.

His bat would be a nice addition, but not at the length of contract Boras is looking for; That’s an AL-only deal at this point.

"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3

by BinM on Dec 26, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Offer him six for $150 million.

Maybe a little more, Fielder is worth it.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Dec 26, 2011 2:06 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I thought Bora$$ had unleashed a bot to scrub all them "fatso" pics from the internet

Copyrights, y’know.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Dec 26, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

not quite that bad

at least Fielder’s been up front that he doesn’t expect to be back in Milwaukee…

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Dec 26, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

You're so wrong here it's hard to respond

First of all, you’re completely off the mark on Fielder’s leadership. Having close relatives who live in Milwaukee and ate huge Brewers fans, I can tell you this: Fielder was the fire that drove the Team to the playoffs. He was instrumental in keeping them loose in the clubhouse and (more or less) tight in the field. He was well respected in the city, and Brewers fans know that team ownership pretty much told him long ago that they had decided on spending whatever cash they had on Braun.
As to the bogus notion about lack of focus or intensity, one only has to look at his massive production to see that’s just not the case.

There’s legitimate concerns about the wisdom of signing Fielder. Fair enough. But this Prince hatred you spew is way over the top and generally indefensible.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Dec 26, 2011 1:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

They "are" huge Brewers fans

Heh.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Dec 26, 2011 1:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

those who didn't know any better

would suspect a Freudian slip there…

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Dec 26, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

They DO live in Milwaukee, after all...

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Dec 26, 2011 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So DID Prince Fielder live in Milwaukee...

where, from all appearances, he has identified 28 new species of cheese-burgers.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Dec 26, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Sausages.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Dec 26, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

False.

Fielder is a vegetarian.

by Natsnation21 on Dec 27, 2011 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

He was, reportedly.

Not any more though — again, reportedly.

Besides, the post was supposed to be in jest.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Dec 27, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Sausage is made of meat?

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 27, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't ask how it's made

… just like laws …

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Dec 27, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

"Bread makes you fat?" - Scott Pilgrim

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 27, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

hater

but LMFAO…rec’d

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Dec 26, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I think a viable option in CF is Coco Crisp - he is a good fit

He brings speed, range and good defense & the Nats do not have to break the bank or go for a long contract to gain him.

"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis

by Dave D on Dec 26, 2011 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

Lemme see...not young, not lefty, not short and not long term either

Lotta nots. Apart from that…?

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Dec 26, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

... apart from that, how was Dallas?

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Dec 26, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Crisp is the guy

I like Coco. He’s solid and proven and he can lead off. Cespedes is unproven and can’t lead off. This is a no brainer.

by apostle61 on Dec 26, 2011 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

Is Crisp the guy long term?

I mean if we’re talking 1 yr rental i’m fine with that, but I’ll take anyone on a 1 yr rental cause like I said above, I don’t think we’re contending this year. Especially once Stras and Wang reach their innings limits.

Coco’s obp last season was .314, that isn’t going to help us in the long run. I’d be all for the 1 yr rental, but Rizzo needs to worry more about who is manning CF open day in 2013. That’s when our window opens.

I’d be more behind Bourjos than Upton. Cheaper in trade and salary. Obp was .327 last year in only his 2nd big league season too. Younger, cheaper, speedster that can lead off.

by Jordven Strasermann on Dec 26, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Wang wont have an innings limit

at least thats the word on the street. I think we can compete this year, espcialy if we add another bat

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 26, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Loves me some Bourjos

Sumbich hits, fields, and can run like the wind. Led the AL in triples. Good kid who has his head on his shoulders – and thing is, uberprospect Mike Trout’s coming up, so the LAA outfield is getting crowded.

God knows what it’d take to land P Bo, but if Rizzo can pull it off…

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Dec 26, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes - with Crisp you know what you are getting for the next two years

The Nats could sign him and still sign Cespedes – Cespedes will need time in AA and AAA – at least one season

"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis

by Dave D on Dec 26, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

We've a pretty good idea what we'd get with Bourjos too

and a pretty good idea that it’s what we want.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Dec 27, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Crisp vs Bourjos

I’ve been debating in my mind between these two and come to a conclusion. If its for one year, I’d definitely go with Crisp. If it’s for 2 or 3 years, it’s more even, but I still might prefer Crisp.

I’d definitely let someone else ake the risk on Cespedes.

Here’s how I came to this.

Last year Crisp hit .264, with a .314 OBP, not what we would typically want in a leadoff guy. But both these numbers were below his career averages by perhaps 20 pts or so. At 32, he can certainly rebound. And he only had 65 Ks in 551 AB.

So why would Crisp have an off year? Lets look at who he had batting behind him in the order. Most frequently, it was Barton, who hit .212 for the year, and was yanked from the lineup midseason. Second most frequent was Matsui, who hit .251. Better than Barton, but still Meh! Third most frequent was Pennington, who edged toward respectability at .264.

I think the Nats would provide him better protection this year.

They batted Crisp leadoff frequently, and 2nd an appreciable amount, too. And we can’t ignore those stolen bases. He’s gonna drive opposing pitchers nuts!

Now to Bourjos. Peter had a nominally better .271 BA with .327 OBP in his first full season in the bigs. I’m slightly troubled by his 124 Ks in 502 AB. They batted him 8th or 9th most of the year (kinda like Riggleman batting a leadoff guy 9th), then brought him to leadoff in September. In the dozen or two games he lead off, they had four different guys behind him. The most frequent was Callaspo, who hit a very warm .288.

Obviously, its not really apples to apples here on the stats, but I think they are very comparable, and I like that we wouldn’t have to savage our pipeline any further to get Crisp on board.

by DaRube on Dec 26, 2011 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

It ain't like I'm down on Crisp

I note with interest all them SBs and the fact that he don’t strike-out much – although he generally don’t come to bat much either – but I feel like he’d be an interim signing for one or two years, no more. An improvement over Rick Ankiel? Yup. Better than Bourjos? Yer nuts. Hellfire, Bourjos would even cost less money.

I don’t ordinarily pay much attention to the Junior Circuit, so Imma’ go over to AthleticsNation. Do me some scouting on Coco Crisp. Screw the sportswriters and stat-priests – I wanna hear from As fans. See what can I find out from the real experts.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Dec 26, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

bounce back years at his age aren't likely.

and protection in the batting order is a myth.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Dec 26, 2011 2:09 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

yup

If we sign Crisp, put Bernadina on speed-dial.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Dec 26, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Bourjos is just starting and could be the CF into 2017

Crisp is NOT a long-term solution. Never was. Its why he isn’t even on the radar.

by plebescite on Dec 26, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Crisp is the guy for a year or two until...

we can find someone else (Michael Bourn, for example). Bourjas might be slightly better than Crisp but you’ll have to trade for him and I don’t want to get ripped off (what with asking prices these days.) It’s better to go after a free agent. Crisp would be relatively cheap and reliable.

by apostle61 on Dec 26, 2011 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

Good point: a moderately inexpensive FA (wuts a lousy 5 million?) is definitely better'n a costly trade

…in the short run, at least; and true enough Coco’s a damn sight better than anybody we got now – but he’s 32, and sure misses a lot of games.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Dec 26, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's an easy call

The market for CFs this year is bad, and for 1Bs is good (until Fielder signs). The complete opposite will be true next year.

Sign Fielder this year, take your pick from several good CF options next year. Let Werth have one year in CF. Easy peezy.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Dec 26, 2011 1:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

What do you do with Mike Morse?

not saying Fielder would be a bad idea, just wondering

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 26, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I would assume LF for Morse

I can live with CF being Werth for a season, even if it means the team doesn’t sign Fielder and instead goes for a cheap Brad Hawpe and an ok priced Ludwick. I’m probably in the minority here, but I think both guys could be solid contributors, Hawpe off the bench and Ludwick in RF.

Back to the original question of Rob Bob S, I would assume he would have Morse in LF like just about everyone else.

by Andrew Davidson on Dec 26, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

and I do realize

that Hawpe and Ludwick aren’t exactly spring chickens, so I would be banking on Hawpe having a 1-year deal and Ludwick at 2 years with club option 3rd.

by Andrew Davidson on Dec 26, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a tough pill to swallow,

But I would trade him next off season. Especially if he does hit all those homers that have been predicted.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Dec 26, 2011 1:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That really seems like the only option

unless you make Werth a very expensive OF4

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 26, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Sign Fielder, move Werth to CF, and trade Morse...?

“Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34)

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by Whupass on Dec 26, 2011 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

I think all the above ideas on moves are directly related and no one is talking about that fact….

If Cespedes is what Rizzo wants in CF, (imho, what is going on) then he doesn’t sign Fielder, moves Morse to 1B (and split with LaRoche until we can dump him) and put the kid at the corner opposite Werth. Desmond then bats leadoff which Johnson vouched for at the end of the year.

If Cespedes signs elsewhere, than Rizzo might make a run at Fielder (thank god the market hasn’t developed to Boras levels yet) and signs Crisp for CF to cover for Morse in LF.

Personally, I like trading for Bourjos and keeping him in CF and leadoff for the future. He’s liquid fast and can cover lots of ground. Separately, in any scenario it looks like we have to figure out what to do with LaRoche. Maybe dump him on a team that misses out on Fielder?

"We're not here to try; we're here to win" - Brooks Laich

by bigity b on Dec 26, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

Cespedes still will need to develop in AA & AAA

Cuban baseball is like high A or AA – he will need to adjust to Major League pitching

"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis

by Dave D on Dec 26, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Forget Fielder

Hypothetical trade ideas:
Rays get: Morse, Desmond, Lannan, (possibly) Marrero (and greater payroll flexibility)
Nats get: Upton, Shields

Lombo and Espi make up your middle infield, LaRoche plays first for the year.
A decision is made as to the health and future position of Rendon as he works his way through the minors.
At some point, Harper makes his debut (likely in LF/RF)
SIGN Zim to a long term contract!

by DC_Dodger on Dec 26, 2011 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

Morse was the ENTIRE offense in 2011

It was AAA level without Morse. You’re nuts.

Unless Rendon is ready to go Morse is a fixture.

by plebescite on Dec 26, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but...

Zim saw significant time on the DL, and arguably posted below-career avg numbers.
If we are to believe that Harper is the next-coming of Hercules, his eventual promotion should, at the very least NOT hurt the Nats’ O.
I love Morse, awesome guy/great talent, but he IS 30, and I just do not see him producing at the same insane clip as last year (look at the BABIP), and I cannot imagine he will be pitched to as regularly.

by DC_Dodger on Dec 26, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Beane-logic

I hate using this mindset because of the attachment to Morse, but you have to strike when the iron is hot. In return, we get a CF with leadoff potential (and some pop), and the veteran RHP that Rizzo has been pining after. The potential pitching staff of Stras, Gio, Zim, Shields, Wang is enough to make me drool all over my scorekeeper’s book.

by DC_Dodger on Dec 26, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that trade makes the team worse

Both offensively and defensively. The Nats had a damn good infield last year that should improve this year. Id rather not start the season with both a below average first baseman and a AAA second baseman.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Dec 26, 2011 3:19 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Not to mention with a far from a sure thing center fielder with one year remaining on his contract

by PerryMason on Dec 26, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Puts the team in a world of hurt at first base

This year AND in the future.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Dec 26, 2011 3:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not a chance TB does that.

Morse only has 1 year left under team control i think and i doubt they trust his 1 yr of production. Almost no one but the nats seems to like desmond. Lannan and Marrero are fodder.

I’m not opposed to selling high on Morse. I just don’t think anyone is going to be biting. Plus this does nothing to solve the leadoff problem unless we could turn around and move upton.

by Jordven Strasermann on Dec 26, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

actually most MLB teams like Desmond

It’s Lombo that only the Nats seem fascinated with.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Dec 27, 2011 9:06 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Morse is NOT GOING to split time with LaRoche.

Morse is either in left field, right field or first base EVERY SINGLE GAME.
Benching Morse would be like benching Zimmerman.

LaRoche might sit on the bench against left-handed pitchers with Morse in at first.
Probably see DeRosa in the outfield then.

LaRoche splits time with Morse.

by plebescite on Dec 26, 2011 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

The Nats won’t be at their best until Morse is at first base full time (or traded for equal value). Great pitching and great defense can take you a long way. Morse in left does not equal great defense.

Also, I’d rather see the Nats eat 8 million of LaRoache’s contract for one year than 100 million of Fielder’s for who knows how many

by PerryMason on Dec 26, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

With Morse at 1B all the NATS need to do is shore up the outfield. Why spend money on Fielder when it can be spent elsewhere since Morse can get the job done. I like the idea of Wetth, Morse, Harper and Zimmerman all in the same order. Fielder is not necessary for the NATS.

"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis

by Dave D on Dec 26, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Fielder is both better and younger than Morse though

And has a track record.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Dec 26, 2011 10:17 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

no crane kick, tho....

"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...

by cat daddy3000 on Dec 26, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the guy...

but are you really saying that 1 yr out of nowhere from morse makes him a better option than fielder? Now, if it really takes 7-10 years to get Fielder than by all means stay away. But let’s be honest, odds of Morse duplicating last year are slim – would be nice – but slim. Secondly, if he does duplicate it, he suddenly becomes a hot FA 1B and there’s no guarantee he sticks around.

by Jordven Strasermann on Dec 26, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

By no means am I suggesting that Morse is better than Fielder

by PerryMason on Dec 27, 2011 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

What I am saying is Fielder is a luxury when there is an alternative (not the same but above average)

Why tie up all the free agency money in a long contract? Morse is only 29 so he is still young – he did break out last year. He does not need to duplicate – he just needs to be above average at a fraction of the cost. I would think the team could invest money in other places and strengthen the team more. I guess I look at it from overall strength.

"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis

by Dave D on Dec 27, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

NPUT...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 26, 2011 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

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