Wire Taps: You Can't Stop The Prince Fielder, Washington Nationals Rumors.
When MLB Network Radio hosts Joel Sherman and Seth Everett listened to tape of today's Mike Rizzo interview with Power Alley host Mike Ferrin, their first reaction to what they described as the Washington Nationals' GM's "non-denial denial" (their words) on the Prince Fielder question, was that the general manager had left the door open enough for the possibility of the team signing the 27-year-old free agent first baseman to remain.
"As far as, 'Are we going to dabble our toe in that water?'" Rizzo had said to Mr. Ferrin, referring to the rumors tying the big slugger to the Nats, "Those are decisions that we make early on in the process and we've more or less decided that Adam [LaRoche] is going to be our first baseman, unless something extraordinary, out of the ordinary happened that's how we're going to go to Spring Training." It's that "extraordinary" or "out of the ordinary" that the MLB Network Radio hosts who listened back and commented said keeps the door open for the Nats to sign Fielder and say something "extraordinary" happened to allow it...
Maybe something simply ordinary could force the Nationals to sign a first baseman? In an article today entitled, "Nats finalize one-year deal with DeRosa", the Nats' Skipper Davey Johnson (who helped recruit DeRosa), told MLB.com writer Bill Ladson that the addition of the veteran INF/OF made sense for Washington, "With Chris Marrero down and maybe some question marks regarding Adam LaRoche, DeRosa just fits." LaRoche is expected to be 100% ready for Spring Training. There's been no word to suggest otherwise. Oddly, however, FOXSports.com's Jon Morosi wrote the other day (while saying the Nats couldn't be ignored in the Fielder market) that the Nationals were also in the "non-Fielder" market for free agent first basemen.
Could the absence of Chris Marrero, who was expected (by Davey Johnson at least) to be a bench bat and backup first baseman and questions about LaRoche's ability to return and produce right away on a team that's talking like they think they can contend put the team in an "extraordinary" or "out of the ordinary" situation in which they'd have to sign a first baseman? Can Washington go into the 2012 season with DeRosa, who's struggled with injuries recently as the primary backup for LaRoche at first? Is Michael Morse the logical backup at first? If Morse moved to first from left, who's in the left field on Opening Day?
FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal listed the Nationals as one of six teams he said, "have been linked" to Fielder this winter in an article today entitled, "Boras taking his time with Fielder deal", on Scott Boras' approach to finding the right deal for his client, which Mr. Boras continues to say includes approaching teams' owners to convince them of what Fielder can do for their respective franchises:
Scott Boras: ". . . (A player like Fielder) gets you the (local) TV contract, he gets you a higher franchise value, your attendance goes up . . . These players pay for themselves. They make you a lot of money. Owners understand that."
The bow-tied FOXSports.com writer goes on to cite Jayson Werth's meeting with the Nationals' owners as an example of how Boras works, writing that, "Free-agent outfielder Jayson Werth’s talks with Nationals owner Ted Lerner last offseason helped persuade him to accept the team’s seven-year, $126 million offer." Mr. Rosenthal doesn't talk specifically about the Nationals and Fielder, but he does quote the slugger's agent saying something that is sure to ring a bell for any Nats fan who's been following the rumors this winter:
Scott Boras: "'Prince is not in any way a normal free agent. Owners will move players off their teams that already occupy positions to get him. Even though they have a player at the position, this is the move to bring in a franchise player.'"
After listing all the logical reasons (and making a good argument for) why the Nats shouldn't pursue Prince Fielder, Washington Post writer Thomas Boswell wrote tonight at the end of an article entitled, "Prince Fielder’s price is not right for Nationals right now", that (much as Fielder's agent argued), "The problem with applying strict logic in valuing stars such as Fielder is that it fails to measure their impact on team psychology, total team revenues and the ability to ride a core of stars deep into October." Mr. Boswell ends his article by advising that the Nats shouldn't sign Fielder unless the price drops significantly, but much like the Nats' GM he doesn't ever seem to rule out the possibility.
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The "extraordinary" would be Boras dramatically lowering the price.
If we could get Prince for Werth money Rizzo would jump on it. At least I hope he would. But will Boras do it?
by apostle61 on Dec 29, 2011 12:46 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Based on what Boras has said in the last two days no...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 29, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Dang...I wish somebody, but the Nats, would
Sign Fielder, already!
That pot has boiled dry on the Hot Stove, IMHO. I’m getting tired of the non-denial denial…and seriously NOT looking forward to Werth on CF.
"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011
by MissB on Dec 29, 2011 1:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Boswell on the Gio trade shows what's been going on behind the scenes.............
“The Nats baseball people are "anguished and distraught" they can’t get a big deal approved.”
“This familiar pattern…”
“For 2 1/2 years, he (Ted Lerner) said "no" to almost everything and paid a high price. All the losses in 2008 and ’09 changed his view.”
Did it?
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 29, 2011 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
No, it shows what Boswell's personal interpretation of it is.
"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."
-Leslie Nielsen, Airplane
This
They put in a very competitive bid on Teixiera, losing out to the Yankees.
They put in what was rumored to be the high bid on Lee, who signed with the Phillies.
They came in second for Buerhle, who signed with Florida who offered a fourth year.
They signed Werth with what Rizzo and management agree was an above-market contract.
Yes, the Lerners are unwilling to spend money. Just shut up, Bos.
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
The worm has turned (to borrow a phrase)
Boswell’s advising against signing a free agent (Fielder).
[checking out my office window for squadrons of flying pigs]
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
So a week ago Bos wanted a big splash
Then he gets Gio, but doesn’t really admit he was wrong. And now he doesn’t want a big splash in Fielder.
The twists and turns of Bos’s mind are tough to follow sometimes.
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
by souldrummer on Dec 29, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Why do you say Boz was wrong last week when, like EVERYBODY else, he simply stated the obvious? Everyone was antsy about the fact that the Nats had been shut out in their pursuits and questioned whether or not management would spend the dough or trade their prospects to fill their stated needs. The last column seemed to me to be no more that an explanation of the quandary the Nats are facing in making a decision on whether or not they should sign Fielder. I did not read in that piece that Boz came out for or against signing him… He did seem to indicate that the market for Fielder could change enough that he would more or less fall in their laps (which given the Nats luck in getting Strasburg and Harper would not surprise me), but unless it does, there good reasons to take a pass.
Part of the gist of Bos’s article was that the Nats were somehow unwilling or unable to make a big move, not just factually stating that they hadn’t made one yet. There was no “mea culpa” to my knowledge when the Nats made their big splash and now here’s Bos trying to stay the course.
I like Bos by the way. I’m just amused by how he seems motivated by what’s a flashy opinion sometimes over being consistent and admitting his errors along the way.
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
by souldrummer on Dec 29, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Bos annoys me often, but at least he cares about baseball
I have noticed that he is untroubled by his own inconsistency :-D
What amused me was that Boswell was pretty willing to leave the implication out there that the Nats management pulled the trigger because of Boswell’s column. Pundtry calls for a large ego, and Boswell certainly has that!
You are right about him being, at the very least, someone who “cares” about baseball. For those who have only been aware of media coverage of baseball in Washington area since the arrival of the Nats in 2005 (and I know you are a native DC Guy) the less than favorable opinion of Boswell’s writing is somewhat understandable (could it have something to do with with a disdain of all things inside the beltway… just a thought). But for many of us who have been reading Boz for +-40 years and know him as one of our few informed links to baseball and a tireless champion of returning MLB to the area, the constant “nattering of nimbobs”,when it come to his columns, is annoying to say the least.
Heh
I’ve been reading him ever since I moved to the DC area (25 years minus a few months), and I’ve never doubted he genuinely cares about baseball. That doesn’t stop me from being frustrated by him, and more so in the past few years. Ever since the Lerners bought the team, he’s been on the soap box to sign a free agent (sometimes seeming like any free agent). Then, when they sign Werth, he complains about the signing, especially the length and cost (even though the FO openly conceded they overpaid in order to get a FA to sign with the cellar-dwelling Nats). Then, this off-season, he’s back to the “sign SOMEBODY!” tract (today’s column being a shocking departure).
Nattering is not in my nature :)
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
See, I didn’t read his columns that way at all… Again everyone was all over the Learners for not spending on free agents sooner. To say that Boswell was for signing “anybody”, I think, is a gross exaggeration.
I suspect that you read his columns predisposed to disagree with them… Not that I’m not just as guilty as the next person of, one way or another, doing the same thing.
Well, THAT explains all the flying pigs I had to duck...
while walking the dog this morning!
Either Boz had a good Christmas…or he doesn’t care that we mock his flip flops. Anything to try to be relevant, I guess.
(I think Rizzo and the FO are still freezing him out for his whining and Kasten court intrigue.)
"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011
by MissB on Dec 29, 2011 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Rizzo and the FO are still freezing him out for his whining and Kasten court intrigue.
A very good theory. If this had been the Kasten regime, he would have had greater ideas that there were longstanding Gio Gonzalez talks and could have prepared his audience for his prophetic knowledge. As it stands, he’s shut out from the innerworkings of the front office like everyone else.
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
by souldrummer on Dec 29, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Rizzo can afford to be patient
Looks like the Rangers are the only team who might go big on Fielder. But if they dont then he’s hung out to dry. Boras will be desperate.
by apostle61 on Dec 29, 2011 2:06 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Dear Mr. Lerner
If you sign Prince Fielder I will promise to attend every home game in the Diamond Club for the next four years (see, he practically pays for himself!)
Thanks,
Rob
p.s. Please ignore the fact that I was going to do that anyway.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
by RobBobS on Dec 29, 2011 3:25 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
rec'd.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 29, 2011 6:53 AM EST up reply actions
Remember to tip your wait staff.
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
Make an offer you can live with and then move on
Nats should offer 5 @ $130M or something reasonable they can live with. Then move on assuming you don’t get him. If you get a call back, great. Just don’t do anything stupid that will prevent you adding future pieces and securing rising studs for the long-haul. Nothing we do for Fielder should preclude us from extending Zimmerman.
by Raleighnat on Dec 29, 2011 8:28 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Agreed. Rec'd
"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."
-Leslie Nielsen, Airplane
imagine this
desmond,Werth,zimmerman,harper,fielder,morse,beradina,espi
by Sportzxpert on Dec 29, 2011 1:11 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Can't Morse catch? ;)
"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."
-Leslie Nielsen, Airplane

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