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Wire Taps: 2011 MLB Winter Meetings - Washington Nationals Still Want Starter, Center Fielder...

SEATTLE - JULY 29:  B.J. Upton #2 of the Tampa Bay Rays advances to third base in the second inning against the Seattle Mariners at Safeco Field on July 29, 2011 in Seattle, Washington. The Rays defeated the Mariners 8-0. (Photo by Otto Greule Jr/Getty Images)

The news out of Dallas, Texas' Hilton Anatole on Monday afternoon was that the Washington Nationals would consider going with Jayson Werth in center if they couldn't find the center fielder they've been searching for this winter. Asked for a review of Werth's work in center in late 2011 in an interview with the D.C. press corps this past October, Rizzo told reporters, "I thought [Werth] played very well defensively in center field. I think he's a very good defensive center fielder. In a perfect world, I'd like to find a leadoff-type of on base percentage guy that could hit at the top of the lineup that could play center field and Jayson play right field."

"The team continues to have interest in signing Cuban slugger Yoenis Cespedes or dealing for a player such as B.J. Upton of the Rays or Denard Span of the Twins," MLB.com's Bill Ladson wrote in an article entitled, "Werth could shift to center field next season", but Minnesota reportedly doesn't want to trade Span anymore and the price in players for Upton and cash for Cespedes could prove prohibitive. MASNSports.com's Pete Kerzel (@KerzelPete) reported this morning on Twitter that, "According to team source, #Nationals remain 'fixated' on leaving Dallas Winter Meetings with a new CF," and had even reached out to the Yankees to see if New York would consider moving Brett Gardner only to be "rebuffed" as he put it.

Star-divide

Then, of course, B.J. Upton's name came up again, with FOXSports.com's Jon Morosi (@JonMorosi) writing on Twitter that a source told him the, "Nats and Rays have had recent conversations about B.J. Upton." ESPN.com's Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) wrote recently on the Twitter that the "Rays [were] telling teams they will talk about BJ Upton but have to be overwhelmed to move him." Upton's available as a free agent after this season and a potential non-tender candidate as soon as next week, (though no one in Tampa Bay seems to think he'll be non-tendered) so it's not surprising the Nationals might not want to give up what the Rays are likely seeking in return. And it might benefit them to wait and see what the Rays do since as St. Petersburgh Times' writer John Romano argued recently, changes in the new CBA might make Tampa Bay more willing to trade B.J. Upton this winter.

• Latest Tweets - Adam Kilgore, Washington Post (@AdamKilgoreWP): "On talks with Rays about Upton, Rizzo said, "I don't think anything has changed on that front."

• h/t at to Andrew Kinback ( aka @NatsNQ) and @R_J_Anderson on Twitter for reminding me of the following report which we wrote about in July which touches on what the Rays might want for Upton:

ESPN.com's Keith Law, in an article entitled, "Daily Rumble: The Carlos Beltran market", before the deadline passed without the Washington Nationals finding the center fielder/leadoff man they'd searched for, wrote that while the Nats were interested in B.J. Upton, "...there are indications [the Nationals] balked at dealing two pitchers the Rays are believed to have asked about: Ross Detwiler and the much-coveted Brad Peacock."

• Shark = J-Max?:

When 27-year-old Nats' outfielder Roger Bernadina, who finished the 2011 season with a .243/.301/.362 slash in 91 games and 337 plate appearances, failed to secure either part of a platoon role in left or the starting job in center last season, some started to wonder if he'd been given his last opportunity to claim a role in Washington's outfield. ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick (@JCrasnick) wrote this afternoon that the, "Nationals are letting teams know Roger Bernadina is available in trade. Raw but toolsy OF with some upside. Still only 27." According to Mr. Crasnick, MASN's Pete Kerzel is right, the Nats want to leave Texas with a center fielder, "#Nationals have talked to Rays about B.J. Upton and scouted Yoenis Cespedes in the Dominican. They're going to add a new CF.

MASN's Steve Melewski (@MASNSteve) wrote this afternoon that the O's would consider trading their center fielder, 26-year-old Adam Jones, but soon after he wrote that, FOXSports.com's Jon Morosi (@JonMorosi) reported that, "#Orioles telling teams that Adam Jones is off limits." That was a small window of opportunity...

• Back to Buehrle:

Reports out of Dallas this afternoon said soon-to-be-former White Sox' lefty Mark Buehrle had narrowed the list of teams he was considering to five. Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore's sources told him that the Nationals were one of those teams and ex-D.C. GM Jim Bowden (JimBowdenESPNxm) said from what he'd heard, it, "Sounds like Rangers & Nats are most serious and most realistic destinations for Buehrle based on source...but with 5 teams left u never know." On his own MLB Network Radio show, Bowden said Buehrle's intrigued by the Rangers' owner Nolan Ryan.

• Latest Tweets - Amanda Comak, Washington Times (@AComak): "#nats GM Mike Rizzo said that when he met in-person w/ Mark Buehrle at his home he felt there was a 'connection' and great mutual interest."

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acomak:
Buehrle reportedly whittled options to 5.One #nats source believed they were one but Rizzo said he"hasn’t talked w/Buehrle people yet today"

by dc Roach on Dec 6, 2011 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

MarkZuckerman:
Rizzo also says it’s become much easier to sell FA’s on #Nats than in past. "We’re beyond the point of apologizing for not being a good …

by dc Roach on Dec 6, 2011 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

That happens when you admit you intentionally overpaid for Werth

now everyone expects it …

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Dec 6, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Admiting what everyone knew, didn't hurt the team.

Everyone expects to be overpaid. It is a bargaining position.

by chubias on Dec 6, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone know if Julio Borbon from the Rangers is avalible

I doubt he is, but I would love him on the nats for the right price

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 6, 2011 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

Craig Gentry

Any thoughts on Craig Gentry. Another ranger CF

by HG_VA on Dec 6, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Only think I worry about him is age

guys who havent done anything at the MLB level at his age rarley turn into much. The good thing is that will keep his price down

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 6, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Complaint Department

Dear Monseigneur Reddington:

I know naysayers are always naysaying, but is there any way you could just update the current front-page story vs. posting a new one? The comment threads tend to get all strung out and—maybe it’s just me—but I think it would be easier and more fluid to keep them all in the same place. Maybe 1-2 front page stories per day?

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Dec 6, 2011 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

I would tend to believe...

that Patrick is hoping we’d consider these stories to be more than just a place to comment. There’s some stories here, too!

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Dec 6, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

1-2 posts a day probably wouldn't draw enough traffic to make continuing to do this feasible...

The SBN is talking about making the "story streams" they have at regional sites available to all writers which would allow for some version of what you’re suggesting.

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Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 6, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

+100 Bonus Post Points!

"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."
-Leslie Nielsen, Airplane

by Jorgath on Dec 6, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Understood

I was just comparing it to McCovey Chronicles, from which I came, and over there it’s usually 1 maybe 2 stories per day and they seem to draw a ton of traffic. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy the stories and the links as well, but I don’t come here for the newz you can find that anywhere, the conversation is a big part—if not the biggest part—of what has made SBN successful thus far. At the end of the day I look at this as a community of Nats fans and it was just a thought.

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Dec 8, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Comment threads have been more active than usual for this site...

I for one prefer frequent threads to break up the discussions. Keeps the page load times manageable. Unlike some places where my browser basically gives me the finger and freezes cough McC…..

I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general

by short_shifter on Dec 6, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Those threads are out of control

But comparing 35-50 comment threads to the 2-3k+ comment threads over there is opposite ends of the spectrum.

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Dec 8, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

natsnq:
With December 2012 being the end of the world, the Marlins keen on being remembered as last WS champs ever, says source. #nats

by dc Roach on Dec 6, 2011 4:59 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

+1

Don’t mess with the Mayans

by d_c_guy on Dec 6, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

If only that we're true for our Maya

Sadly he gets messed with every time his frosted tips take the mound.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents. As are we all."
---Malachi Constant

by The Herndon Kid on Dec 6, 2011 5:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

How about Incans?

Atahualpa Severino.

"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."
-Leslie Nielsen, Airplane

by Jorgath on Dec 6, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

And where’s Jeff550 on this?

"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3

by BinM on Dec 6, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

acomak:
In discussing trades, Rizzo said #nats players drawing lot of interest -but if they deal it’d be from prospect depth, not core young MLB-ers

by dc Roach on Dec 6, 2011 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

washingnats:
According to a baseball source, LHP Mark Buehrle would like a four-year deal. RHP Roy Oswalt would like a three-year deal. #Nats #MLB.

by dc Roach on Dec 6, 2011 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

They can both want, not sure if they can get it though

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 6, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

I could maybe see Buerhle on a 3-yr plus option, but don’t think I’d guarantee three years to Oswalt.

"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3

by BinM on Dec 6, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

As per my post yesterday

Hanley doesnt want to play 3B….so Marlins now have issues.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 6:28 PM EST reply actions  

In my best Mr. Burns voice...

Exx-cell-entt!

"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3

by BinM on Dec 6, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Let 2012 be the year where

…Loria’s greed is finally surpassed by his stupidity. Let him over-leverage the team budget; Between that & the SEC looking into stadium financing, he may finally get what he deserves.

McCourt was exposed by his ex-wife last year, so why not hope for another of Selig’s ‘old-boys club’ members to help seal his legacy in the sport.

"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3

by BinM on Dec 6, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent indeed

Although im partial to trying to steal Hanley from them. I think he’d be better at SS than Desmond who might end up being the modern day utility man (if he doesnt improve). You could always use Desmond as a late inning defensive replacement. or so the Riggleman theory goes.

I do think if the Marlins grab Pujols – than they are stuffed for years – a 10 yr contract to a 31 yr old slugger in the NL is a sure fire recipe for disaster.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt it too but they’ve delt with the Nats in the past. At the end of the day if they have to move him – they’ll go the best deal they can get.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

They shouldn’t care who they deal with.. they don’t expect to contend, do they?

by dc Roach on Dec 6, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if they get Albert – they think they probably will. Interesting is that their pitching will be light on – so im not sure where and how they think they’re going to get that from. Maybe then the Hanley trade makes sense but still weakens their lineup. Interesting games afoot in the NL East.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

If we are going to go after a high valued Marlin, I'd prefer Stanton.

In both cases, the Marlins wouldn’t deal him to us or at all.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Dec 6, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

washingnats:
J. Werth on playing CF: “Whatever [number] is by my name on the lineup card, that’s where I’ll play. I’m comfortable playing all 3.” #Nats

by dc Roach on Dec 6, 2011 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

I like him – he’s a winner and just plays hard. I still think despite the poor numbers he’s a big part of why the team has a better record this past season.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Unlike certain (soon to be former) shortstops in the division

"I was a victim of a series of accidents. As are we all."
---Malachi Constant

by The Herndon Kid on Dec 6, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

SurfingTheMets (Andy Martino)
One source with knowledge of the situation said to be “on red alert” for a Pujols deal Tuesday night.

by dc Roach on Dec 6, 2011 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

AdamKilgoreWP:
Sent on 9/27. RT @DocGooden16 Look for Albert Pujols to follow @ozzieguillen to Florida if the @cardinals dont resign him…. #insidescoop

by dc Roach on Dec 6, 2011 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

Hey, we need us a CFer up in here

I likes me some Bourjos – boy led the league in triples last year, a telling stat – but word on the street is that LAA ain’t dealing him. I ain’t down with Upton. Yah yah, I know; heard all the talk, but I just ain’t down – and Werth is a “prototypical” (now there’s a much abused word, if ever there was) RFer.

So what the hell’s wrong with re-signing Rick Ankiel, until a better option presents itself – as it will.

"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'" - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Dec 6, 2011 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

I will second this notion.

I’ve seen Bourjos twice in person. Dude can FLY.

The scary part is that I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not

by The Moose on Dec 6, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

he's off the table

Which means we’re back to Bernie unless we can pry away Upton.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I say see if we can get Bornon, or Gentry from the Rangers

both are miles better than the arm or the shark

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 6, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't mind Gentry

Doesn’t seem like he’d be too expensive.

The scary part is that I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not

by The Moose on Dec 6, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

There are a number of prospect options out there

all of which are “off the table” unless you give them a great offer.

Some folks to consider:
Charlie Blackmon-Rockies
Tim Wheeler- Rockies
Starling Marte- Pirates
Gorkys Hernandez-Pirates
Che-Hsuan Lin- Red Sox
Ryan Kalish- Red Sox
Jarrod Dyson-Royals
Derrick Robinson-Royals

by chubias on Dec 6, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats why I like Gentry

you cant really sell him as a prospect or established MLB player. That should limit is value

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 6, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I just think we should be striving higher than Gentry

This isn’t the Nats of 09’ or even ’10—- we want to contend now, even if that means spending some $$ to get proven offensive production at a tough defensive position.

by John Yarchoan on Dec 6, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Its just that there is nothing out there than only money can get us

and the trade market is not deep. Take away Bourjos and its shallower. Gentry might be the best we could reasonably get

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 6, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The Moose?

Are you John Lannan?
Moooooooooose!

by PerryMason on Dec 6, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

_____

The scary part is that I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not

by The Moose on Dec 6, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

One thing to think about....

The Blue Jays, Twins, and Marlins have all added closers in recent days, and there is some discussion that the remaining two major free agent closers – Madson and KRod – could be in some trouble because “it’s not clear whether the remaining teams with ninth inning openings are willing to spend big.” (according to MLBTR)

I’ve wondered today if Rizzo would think about trading from a position of strength and include Drew Storen in an attempt to get a big-name CF or starting pitcher. The next move, then, would be to snatch up either Madson or KRod and take advantage of the current market. We have to remember that Storen is incredibly valuable, especially to a low to mid-market team, because he has 5 more years of team control.

by John Yarchoan on Dec 6, 2011 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

Not keen on that

Understandable that you have to give to get, but Madson has a hefty pricetag, and K-Rod is too inconsistent.

If Storen were traded, though, I’d love me some Soria.

The scary part is that I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not

by The Moose on Dec 6, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Storen has the potential to be the guy Chad Cordero was looking to be. I really good closer that everyone loves. Pair him with fan favorite Tyler Clippard and you have one of the most popualr, and best 8-9 guys in the league. Look at how popular the clip and save thing was last year.

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 6, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re too emotional!

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Im sorry but there is no way we should trade storen for any of the guys rumored to be avalible. Would I trade him for McCuthen, hell yes, but Upton, or anyone else like that its just un necesary. We can move Werth to CF and have someone like Ross play the corners with Morse. I dont know if Bourjos carrys enough of a bat to compensate for parting with out closer, as while its easy to luck into a good closer(see MacDougal, Mike), we have also seen how ugly a bad bullpen can be, especialy with a bad closer(see Hanrahan, Joel and Ayala, Luis) With the price closers have been going for, Im loving Storen at 500,000 supposed to a ok closer at 5mil

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 6, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s fair enough – but I guess my point is that there needs to be value in the deal…and it’s heaps easier to find a closer than a quality CF as we’ve mentioned. I think we overvalue our own guys – and I dont think Drew is untradeable. He’s cheap and excellent value – but youve got to give something to get something.

I hear ya about bad closers – last thing we need is to go back to that again…Hanny still gives me nightmares. But I dont think Storen is untradeable. I think we could replace his saves relatively easily but not necessarily cheaply.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Peacock to closer isn’t a bad alternative, either.

The scary part is that I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not

by The Moose on Dec 6, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we could make one. Clip to closer isnt crazy either…not like we didnt throw him in closer situations.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

It helps to have a dearth of young pitching to have discussions like these.

The scary part is that I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not

by The Moose on Dec 6, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I would want to give him a chance to be a starter fist, as I feel he could be a #2 start down the road

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 6, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, this has been talked about some—- at least moving him to the bullpen for now. Scouts worry about his durability as a starter because of his small frame.

by John Yarchoan on Dec 6, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think he is untradeable, but the deal would have to be for an established MLB player who fits a need almost perfectly. Upton doesnt count as that

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 6, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I would

I think its heaps easier to find a closer than a CF. But I wonder whether any team would want more than just a closer.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I mentioned this, in part, because I was thinking of Bourjos

the Angels are seriously in need of cheap bullpen help because they don’t believe fully in Walden. With Trout on the way, they also have a very crowded outfield….

Just saying.

by John Yarchoan on Dec 6, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

LAA has said that they’re more keen on putting Trout in a corner outfield position, and keeping Bourjos in center.

The scary part is that I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not

by The Moose on Dec 6, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That could work,

but then you would have to wait until the logjam combination of Torii Hunter, Vernon Wells, and Bobby Abreu clears. I think they want Trout sooner than that, and good luck finding a taker for some of those grizzly vets and their massive contracts….

by John Yarchoan on Dec 6, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That "logjam" clears in 2012

and given the players age, it isn’t unlikely that one could get injured.

by chubias on Dec 6, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Trout is a full year older than Harper and had a .958 OPS at AA. I think he’s ready right now.

by John Yarchoan on Dec 6, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course, it depends on whether or not LAA spends this offseason

If they sign a guy like Wilson, then it wouldn’t be surprising to see Trout with them, hence the logjam.

The scary part is that I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not

by The Moose on Dec 6, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Abreu/Hunter could always DH for them. That clears up one log.

The scary part is that I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not

by The Moose on Dec 6, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The LAA have several OF/DH options:

Bourjos
Hunter
Abreu
Wells
Trout
Tumbo (now that Morales is back at 1B)

by chubias on Dec 6, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah.

My mistake.

The scary part is that I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not

by The Moose on Dec 6, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I for one don't forgive anyone for not knowing every MLB team's entire 40-man roster.

I actually only know about this because I had the Bourjos bug about a month ago.

by chubias on Dec 6, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

They’re not moving Vernon Wells. At all. Ever.

The scary part is that I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not

by The Moose on Dec 6, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

How much has Hunter got left on his deal?

I think we’re in a better chance to grab an ageing but useful vet like Hunter. Move Werth to CF and let Torii play RF.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Would be a huge veteran presence,

but Hunter has really declined over the last few years. I think we can do better than a 1-2 WAR in RF, especially at that cost.

by John Yarchoan on Dec 6, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

im not looking for him to be there for years...

1 yr deal for a guy that fields well, hits 280, 20hr+ and 80+ RBI… the cost isnt really a factor as he’d be a short term fix. Gives the team ability to play Harper in AAA if he needs it.

If Rizzo cant get a longterm answer at CF – needs a short term fix at the corner to not block Harper.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Werth is in right from now until I retire.

And despite folks believing that Harper will play CF, he hasn’t done so yet. I think it is safe to say that it will be a few years before he is there. And it doesn’t hurt to have a plus defender in the corner either. See Brett Gardner.

by chubias on Dec 6, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you seen recent comments that Werth will play CF next yr?

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

hehe… ok. As long as you know they are talking about this… all I know is – you cant have 2 RF’s. Someone has to move. Unless we play a team full of Adam Dunns.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

In the perfect world,

Boston trades Ellsbury to the Nationals for Lannan.
LaRoche returns his salary and retires.
Morse moves to first.
Harper plays LF.
Werth stays healthy in RF.
And unicorns deliver free healthcare to all.

In the real world,
We realize that Jayson Werth’s knees are worth approximately a $100MM and shouldn’t be in CF, even if that means playing the hot dog vendor instead.

by chubias on Dec 6, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL> nice for LaRoche….it’ll be a great day when overpaid vets deceide they arent worth the cash and retire. Wells, Zito, et al…would be high on that list.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I should apologize on that

I think LaRoche is going to be in great shape and really perform for the Nationals. Next year, we will be discussing how lucky we are to have an option on him. And not just because we have almost no good 1b prospects.

by chubias on Dec 6, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

there is a 3rd mystery in on Pujols...

we might have that postion locked up for a bit. ;)

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't joke like that

I have already warned you that I am in poor health. Are you trying to kill me?

by chubias on Dec 6, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

But LaRoche is average at best even when healthy

I’m fine with us having him at first, but if he plays well at all we should be trying to move him ASAP for whatever we can get.

Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.

by souldrummer on Dec 6, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm actually curious if we are looking for some 1b players

I think the best argument to #signFielder is that we don’t really have that many power hitting prospects coming up. I hear Rendon is a good hitter, but I haven’t seen or heard anything about his ISO.

by chubias on Dec 6, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Average at best

of course, he’s never really been at his best, has he?

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Dec 7, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I just feel like the best-case scenario for LaRoche

is the Marquis model of success. Have him do ok but plateau, have clearly better options, rental him, and chuckle when he breaks his leg two weeks later.

"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."
-Leslie Nielsen, Airplane

by Jorgath on Dec 6, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

LaRoche is very much the offensive version of Marquis to me. Except he wasn’t our first choice. We wanted Pena, but the Cubs got him instead.

Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.

by souldrummer on Dec 6, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

kerzelpete:
Might #Rockies Smith be on #Nationals radar at #WinterMeetings? masn.me/gt8y

by dc Roach on Dec 6, 2011 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

Yes!

I would love him. Borbon, Gentry, and Smith are near the top of my want list

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 6, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

No!

Why would we want a poor defending, corner OF with below-average power?

Just say no!

by chubias on Dec 6, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Sadly he would have been tied for 5th in HR for the Nats

but just though of the Coors factor. I wouldnt give up much for him, but as a backup plan, there are worse

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 6, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Per MLB Traderumors

Our old friend Jon Rauch is now a Met.

Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.

by souldrummer on Dec 6, 2011 9:21 PM EST reply actions  

Good for the Mets.

They’ve had it rough this year. They should celebrate by non-tendering Pagan.

by chubias on Dec 6, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, that's probably their best move if they're closer-chasing.

He’s good (with some downsides) and not nearly as expensive as Madson or K-Rod.

"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."
-Leslie Nielsen, Airplane

by Jorgath on Dec 6, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

My guess is that they would like to sign another closer in the same mold

then deal both at the deadline for prospects. Like it or not, the Mets are rebuilding.

by chubias on Dec 6, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The Revolution Cometh

the Mets and the Marlins have switched uniforms.

Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.

by souldrummer on Dec 6, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

NotRizzo:
just heard #nats are 3rd team in on Pujols. In bizarre twist Rizzo offered him $10M over 200 years.

by dc Roach on Dec 6, 2011 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

lol

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

And the city of Waldorf, MD

The scary part is that I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not

by The Moose on Dec 6, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

billbarnwell:
Why doesn’t #mysteryteam ever work on its player development processes so it doesn’t have to delve into free agency every year?

by dc Roach on Dec 6, 2011 9:38 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Funny junk

+1

Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.

by souldrummer on Dec 6, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Mets trading one player for 2

Slaten and Balester for Pagan!

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 6, 2011 9:39 PM EST reply actions  

We'd probably have to give them SOMETHING useful.

Probably Bernadina.

"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."
-Leslie Nielsen, Airplane

by Jorgath on Dec 6, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Rumor is Mets/Giants

Pagan for Torres and Ramon Ramirez.

MLBTradeRumors

"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."
-Leslie Nielsen, Airplane

by Jorgath on Dec 6, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That'll show those Marlins.

Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.

by souldrummer on Dec 6, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Now confirmed by MLBTradeRumors.

"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."
-Leslie Nielsen, Airplane

by Jorgath on Dec 6, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

NPUT with Buehrle stuff collected and a li'l stuff on some guy named Derviss? or something like that...

He’s a Japanese pitcher, haven’t heard or obsessed about him before…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 6, 2011 10:21 PM EST reply actions  

Yu need to get over Yu

He’s not coming…

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't try to crush my dreams...

This is his best chance to get paid what he should. He’ll be an international free agent if he waits and the restrictions on spending in the new CBA will limit what he can get after this season…At least that’s what I think I read in the CBA, I’m still having to refer back to it every time I write/think something because it’s so wide-ranging in the changes…

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 6, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

ah thats right - the CBA

Does it apply now?

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Dec 6, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

He would be a profesional IFA

so much like Cespedes he wouldnt be affected

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Dec 6, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

And he reportedly really doesn't like the posting system...

Ah, well. My dream of a Stras/Zim(n)/Yu rotation it’s destroyed.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Dec 6, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, he has to decide soon

For all involved, including himself.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/yu-darvish-needs-to-act-post-haste-for-2012-major-league-baseball-job-120311

This article makes you think Hokkaido is desperate to gain the posting windfall.

I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general

by short_shifter on Dec 6, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Boo Yu!

U-G-L-Y!
Yu ain’t got no alibi!
Yu ugly!
What, what?!
Yu ugly!

(sour grapes, in advance)

Rob

-- In baseball we trust.

by RobBobS on Dec 7, 2011 12:41 AM EST reply actions  

Getting real tired...........

Of hearing Werth in CF and LaFraud at 1st…………….

Neither of which hit 1st or 2nd in the linup………..

by artistfork on Dec 7, 2011 8:34 AM EST reply actions  

Actually, I'm betting Werth would hit #2 in the lineup as it stands

Desmond
Werth
Zimmerman
Morse
LaRoche
Espinosa
Ramos
Harper/Bernadina/Ankiel/mystery OF

by d_c_guy on Dec 7, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

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