Mark Zuckerman Walks Through Bryce Harper and the "Super Two" Ramifications
In a post on Nationals Insider, Mark Zuckerman walked through the ramifications of various debut dates for Bryce Harper, assuming that occurs sometime in 2012. Because that question only comes up all the time here, I thought I would cross-post to it as a public service (while giving Mark credit where credit is due). From Mr. Zuckerman:
Just to clear this up, here are the different scenarios for when Harper debuts and how that affects his arbitration/free agency status...
-- If Harper is on the Opening Day 2012 roster (and if he stays in the majors for six years without any demotions), he would become a free agent after the 2017 season.
-- If Harper starts 2012 in the minors and is promoted before roughly mid-June, he wouldn't become a free agent until after the 2018 season but would qualify for Super-2 status in 2015. Though he's already scheduled to earn a $1 million salary that season, there's a provision in the contract that allows him to earn an arbitration-level salary if he qualifies. So this scenario could cost the Nats several million dollars.
-- If Harper starts 2012 in the minors and is promoted after roughly mid-June, he wouldn't become a free agent until after the 2018 season and wouldn't qualify for arbitration until after the 2015 season. This scenario both saves the Nats money because it eliminates the Super-2 possibility and ensures another season of team control before Harper can become a free agent.
I know it's all confusing -- believe me, sometimes I can't even get it all correct in my head -- but hopefully this helps clear it up a bit.
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That's an odd provision
And it’s the first I’ve heard of it. What does “arbitration-level salary” mean? That he can force arbitration? That’s weird, because I doubt there’s a clause in the contract which allows the Nats to “non-tender” Harper, as it were.
Rob
-- In baseball we trust.
It's pretty common with amateurs who sign major league contracts
essentially he signs a guaranteed major league contract, but he can opt out once he’s arbitration eligible. Justin Verlander had the same provision in his contract.
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 14, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Hey Rob,
First, the date is a rough estimate for “super 2s” since what it is is that if you are brought up from the minors before a certain percentage of all players brought up that year, you are still stuck playing for the team in the majors that year without having it count as one of your 6 of team control, but by being brought up earlier than most others you do get the boon of having one additional arbitration year. What THAT means is based off of the cost-controlled structure: three years where (most) players get minimum salary, then three years of arbitration, which means that theoretically the player’s agent says he should get x amount for the coming year, the team says y amount, and an arbiter decides which figure is the most fitting. In reality, what usually happens is that teams work out a deal with their arb players every year that tends to be somewhere in the middle of those figures.
What makes an extra arb year, rather than a minimum contract year, beneficial is that they tend to make a certain percentage of what they’d get as free agents, so that is usually quite a raise even in the first arb year where one typically gets about 40% of what they’d get on the free market, with year two 60% and three 80%.
by William.Hatheway on Dec 6, 2011 6:04 PM EST reply actions
I understand arbitration and Super 2.
My issue was with the curious provision that despite the fact that he’s under contract in 2015, there’s a possibility that he can force the Nats to pay him more than the $1M he’s due.
Rob
-- In baseball we trust.
Might have been one of those "If you really ARE good enough to actually trigger this clause,"
“we won’t mind very much.”
"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."
-Leslie Nielsen, Airplane
+10 points for double post!
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
Thanks for posting this.
Zuckerman really ought to do a separate post on this. He’s very clear with his explanation but it’s way in the bottom of the comments on that thread. If you didn’t post it here, it would be really hard to find going forward.
Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.
is mid june the old CBA super-2 percentage or the new CBA?
seems like the old one since that was about the cutoff for stras, right?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man
It's not completely clear where (in actuality) the "new" Super-2 will land
Which creates a lot of uncertainty.
This is why Davey Johnson really pissed me off
If Harper starts the year on the Nationals we lose a year of control over him. The kid has made it pretty clear he wants to play on the Yankees (not definite) Why would you let him do that a year earlier? I want to control him as long as possible. Over the Super 2 thing it is more about money than anything else, which can/will impact the future, but I’m less concerned about that just because it is hard to know what would happen. But Davey’s plan with Werth in Center and Harper in Right from day one is asinine unless he can convince Boras to give us an extra year of Harper for nothing…
I'm pretty comfortable that if we post some major winning seasons and match whatever the Yankees pony up, the Nationals will do all right
Worrying now about what happens in 2017 or 2018 makes very little baseball sense, IMHO>

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