The Washington Nationals Leave Dallas As 2011 MLB Winter Meetings End.
"I think the Winter Meetings were productive, very productive," D.C. GM Mike Rizzo told reporters Thursday morning as the four-day rumor-filled affair known as the Winter Meetings at the Hilton Anatole in Dallas, Texas wrapped up. "We were extremely busy on a lot of different facets and I think we laid a lot of foundation for discussions with other GMs and we still have our goal of doing the things that we were supposed to do," Rizzo continued, "And I think we've come a long way in really getting close to doing something very productive for the club."
What the Washington Nationals were "supposed to do" or at least publicly stated they wanted to do was add a veteran arm to the rotation and finally solve the center field and leadoff issues they've acknowledged wanting to address since the end of the 2011 campaign.
The Nationals didn't accomplish either of those goals this week, though how much if any progress they've made in any trade discussions aimed at meeting these goals is unknown. The Nats identified 32-year-old left-hander Mark Buehrle as their top target and made a pitch and an offer they seemed convinced would lure the starter to the nation's capital only to watch him sign with an NL East rival for an extra year and more money (4-years/$58M) than Washington was reportedly willing to offer. Rizzo found out about the Miami Marlins' newest starter's decision while on the air on MLB Network Radio and told the hosts the team would move on to Plan B, reassess their situation and proceed from there.
Is 34-year-old right-hander Roy Oswalt an option? He's said to want a multi-year deal. Do the Nationals want to give a 2-3-year deal to a pitcher with a history of back injuries which limited him to 23 starts and 139.0 IP in 2011. Rizzo told reporters last night that Plan B didn't necessarily mean going right after Oswalt. The Nats' general manager also declined to tell reporters if Washington would bid on Nippon Ham Fighters' right-hander Yu Darvish, explaining as quoted in Washington Times' writer Amanda Comak's article entitled, "Japanese standout pitcher Yu Darvish may be an expensive alternative for Nationals", that, "'Strategically, it doesn’t benefit us to announce if we’re going to bid or not.'" The price tag for the 25-year-old right-hander who announced his decision to enter the posting process last night is expected to climb towards $100 million.
That is, of course, an expensive risk for a pitcher who's unproven against MLB competition, though speculation about the total price tag has varied with estimates of $30-$50 million for the bid and another $50-60 million dollar contract expected after the posting fee. The high price in terms of prospects that teams like the Oakland A's are rumored to be seeking in return for 26-year-old left-hander Gio Gonzalez could be equally prohibitive for the Nationals or anyone else still in the market for pitchers.
"We've got several different options that we're exploring, some free agent, some via the trade routes and some international options," Rizzo explained before the Nationals left the Winter Meetings, "so we're still open for business and we're going to keep an open mind and see what fits for us."
While the majority of Federal Baseball readers accurately predicted that the Nationals' top target would be Mark Buehrle, the second-highest vote total in our most recent poll was for the Nats not adding a big-name pitcher this winter. Nats' skipper Davey Johnson has repeatedly stated his willingness to enter into the 2012 season with the pitching staff they have and when Rizzo learned about the Marlins deal with Buehrle last night he told MLB Network Radio hosts Jim Bowden and Casey Stern, "We have secondary plans in place and like I said, we like the rotation that we have. It's very young, but it's very deep and talented."
Yoenis Cespedes remains as an outfield option that the Nationals' scouts are said to be impressed with, and their scouting department also reportedly likes what they've seen from Yu Darvish. Prince Fielder's still on the market (27-years-old with on-base skills) if the Nationals choose to improve their offense with a big bat and trades for the likes of Adam Jones and B.J. Upton have come up again this week. Chatter about Jayson Werth moving to center to make room for Bryce Harper surfaced again too, with "One Nationals Person" telling CBSSports.com's Danny Knobler (@DKnobler) they were, "95 percent Bryce Harper makes team out of spring training."
For the second-straight winter, however, the Nats have (thus far) come up empty in their attempts to add a starter to the rotation, and this week they watched a divisional rival spend big to improve their roster. What is exactly is the Nationals' Plan B?
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The poll
I think the wording is important. The question read “Which pitcher will the Washington Nationals end up adding this winter?”. The Nats in fact did NOT add Buehrle this winter, so, really, the only folks who have been proven wrong so far (OK, barring a trade with Anaheim) are those who selected option 1. Those of us in the Option 5 group are still in the running!
Rob
-- In baseball we trust.
If I hated Loria before
he is the bane of my existence now, whatever that means. I hope Miami crashes, burns and Loria is behind bars with Bud Selig. Those frauds need to GTFO of baseball. Sorry to say this here, but it’s been on my mind lately.
Also, screw the Angels, taking both Wilson and Pujols. Butt wipes.
Sorry, but I refuse to get mad at teams for spending to improve themselves.
I instead direct my rage at my team for letting it happen, and walking away shrugging it all off with “well, THAT was a productive week!”
Rob
-- In baseball we trust.
was joking about the Angels
but if you don’t think Loria is a crook and that he’s stealing tax dollars, gate sales and revenue, then just wait until the investigation is full blown. he and selig are going down.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 8, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
that would only prove
they were good at covering their tracks. I’m stubborn about this issue, Loria is a slim ball at best. Obviously I can’t dwell on it forever, but the way he and Selig have been in bed together makes it hard to forget. You don’t take away the only thing in MLB I love and have me get over it in a fort night. Especially when money starts appearing out of thin air while the same scumbag owns another franchise now.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 8, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you on this point.
Loria is a manipulative dirtbag who finally got his wish – A publically financed stadium with bells & whistles to play with, and his exposure is all back-loaded. Sadly, by the time that the SEC investigation is able to access his books & expose him as another underfunded fraud, he’ll probably have sold the franchise & set up residence in St. Croix or somewhere where he can’t be extradited from.
"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3
If I had told you a week ago
that the Nationals were going to go through the Winter Meetings without signing a single player, were not going to draft anyone in the Rule 5 but would lose two players, and would not make any trades, then
my guess is that you would not refer to that as a “productive week.”
Rob
-- In baseball we trust.
Which of the deals that got done would you have done?
cant complain if you think they were smart not to sign everyone that did sign
MOAR SEVERINO!
Well, it's two different questions.
The Nats set out to do some stuff — different stuff than I would have done — but nevertheless they didn’t do it. Or maybe they did, I don’t know. Maybe they had no intention of doing anything. Which, again, I would have disagreed with. Still, if their goal was to get a veteran pitcher that could be at or near the top of the rotation, then they really only had two choices, and neither happened.
Rob
-- In baseball we trust.
Sometimes your best deals are the deals you don't make
$58 M for Buerhle? $75 M for Wilson? Tell you what, let’s get together and talk about this one year from now. See how we feel. I’ll lay odds nobody sheds a tear over either one of ’em.
As for Pujols, he’s nuts. Forget the contract the Cards offered, enormous as it was. Hell, in StL, he could’ve parlayed his name and fame into restaurants, car dealerships, Budweiser distributorships (see, license to print money), and myriad other business interests that alone would’a made his staggering LAA baseball salary pale to insignificance. Ax me, he showed damn poor judgement. Made another sh*t-pile of dough for Boras, of course, but what else is new.
Aw, look on the bright side: he’s out of the NL.
"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'" - Earl Weaver
by Whupass on Dec 8, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
PS: I swear, these some damn sour grapes up in here.
"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'" - Earl Weaver
Pujols was a demi-god in the eyes of StL fans...
who felt he was mistreated by the Cardinals’ FO, so he sold out to the highest bidder. Whupass, I’m with you on this one; Bad career move over the short term of a lifetime. One thing to note though, his agent is Dan Lozano, not Bora$.
"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3
Not Bora$$$? My bad.
Pujols don’t know it yet, but he has screwed the pooch. With the stroke of a pen, he goes from demi-god of untold fortune in StL (a great baseball town) to Mr. what’veyoudoneformelately in Orange County, CA.
"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'" - Earl Weaver
and there are reports
security crews have been hired to guard the Pujols statue outside his restaurant ~60 miles outside St Louis, in case disgruntled fans decide to storm the castle…
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
Pujols 5 isn't even close to 60 miles outside of St. Louis
It’s probably more like 10-15 miles from downtown.
by bluelineswinger on Dec 9, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
it's as productive as unproductive can be
not paying $58 million for Buerhle is a blessing.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 8, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a huge Buehrle fan, but
$58/4 is not a ridiculous contract for him. Better the Nats do that than the Marlins.
Rob
-- In baseball we trust.
+1
I thought it was an overpay as well, but so was anyone worth getting. Mark Buehrle has outpitched his peripherals for about 3000 innings now. How he wouldnt be a quality 2/3 guy in the NL east is beyond me.
I just can’t get out of my head that this time last year almost no one was in arms about the werth contratct, and now not giving 4 years 58 for a significantly above average starter going to a weaker league is divine providence.
Just seems weird to me. I mean the guy has spent a career in the AL and has an ERA+ of 120…..
Check out my fantasy baseball blog: http://agressivebaserunning.wordpress.com. updated 4/23
I will quietly point out that there is no guarantee that if the Nats had offered 4/58 would get it done
Between the lack of sales tax in FL, the presence of his former manager and South Beach, it’s unclear how far beyond the Marlin’s offer would have been required to bring him to DC. I would be happy to have Buehrle with the Nats, but they won’t get that chance until 2014 when the fire sale starts.
$58/4 for Buehrle was an overpay
$77.5/5 for Wilson was about market value, but it didn’t seem that Wilson would have gone that cheap for anyone else. Of the two, Wilson would have been my preference regardless of the monetary difference, but I don’t think we should be going overboard because they didn’t end up with either one of them.
by bluelineswinger on Dec 9, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Prince is still on the table
Hopefully all the resounding "NO"s from the twitter leaks are actually all smokescreens!
Name a number between three and five.
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Threeve.
No one in D.C. is saying yes and some of the national writers who were are no longer talking about the Nats much in the Prince discussion...
[adds a, “But you never know…”]
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 8, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
All I've seen is that most teams are OUT on Fielder
Marlins and Rangers seem out. Cubs and Mariners don’t think they have the money for him. The only team “interested” seems to be Milwaukee. I say we play sleeper team and snag him! Wishful thinking and I know we probably don’t land him.
Name a number between three and five.
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Threeve.
Seeing the deal that Moreno gave to Pujols,
I highly doubt that Bora$ will back off of his 8-yr, $200M contract target for “the fat Prince”. Some owner / GM is going to cave in to the demand at some point between now & February.
"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3
Lord, do not let it be Rizzo
"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'" - Earl Weaver
I am actually happy......
….that the Nats have so far made what seems like good decisions. Still a little dismayed over the loss of Meyers and Komatsu though….just wonder what value, if any, they “could” have had in a trade package that may have involved one or both of them.
"Integrity First, Service Before Self, Excellence In All We Do" - USAF Core Values
I'm pretty sure they're both coming back, if that helps
Most Rule 5 guys do come back, and I really don’t see Meyers holding onto a spot in the Yankee’s bullpen.
It Does....
….and I already realized that; however, that still takes them away from our organization for an extended period of time, when they will not be available for potential trade discussion, etc. But, may not have mattered anyway, depending on their value; if any.
"Integrity First, Service Before Self, Excellence In All We Do" - USAF Core Values
One of the wierdest headlines I have read
Byron Kerr
Would Nationals consider Tyler Moore and Chris Marrero for utility roles?
Now here is the defanition of utility
having or made for a number of useful or practical purposes rather than a single, specialized one: a utility knife.
Now explain to me how Marrero, or Moore would fit that?
MOAR SEVERINO!
Anyway,
I guess I’ve made my point abundantly clear, so I’ll retire now.
Rob
-- In baseball we trust.
Spin
Mike is spinning a positive note on what has to be a very disappointing winter meeting for the front office. To go home with nothing to show is surprising. The Buerle thing was no big deal, but I am amazed that they did not do some other deals to help the bench. Lots of other teams are picking over the available players. Maybe the Nats see better options? I hope they have a plan and priorities to get some talent in coming days and weeks. Otherwise, it looks like they were totally focused on Buerle that they missed other potential deals which could have helped. The Nats are not strong enough to stand pat without regard to what the Marlins did.
by JamesFan on Dec 8, 2011 7:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
you don't always get the guy you want
and when you don’t, its good not to overreact and take the next best thing. There will be more free agents next year.
I am glad rizzo goes after what he wants. I honestly think Buerhle helps this team. He is that consistent pitcher who throws 200 innings annually. How does he prepare for his starts, whats his approach, what are his sessions between starts like, how does he attack hitters in the 1st and 2nd inning vs. 5-7th. Those are what we want Stras. and Zimmnn learning. Who else can teach them that like Buerhle?
This team has a lot to offer, no reason to spend it on things that don’t fit just to make a splash.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
With that said, its a negotation
There is a price and ceiling that you have to use to protect your organization and your long term plan. Its hard to know what variables they were considering.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
SO...Rizzo is telling us that the deluxe belly scratchr
"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011
by MissB on Dec 8, 2011 8:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Drat..posted too soon...so Rizzo is trying to
convince the Nats faithful that a big nothing sandwich is a “successful” winter meeting.
I’m not convinced that all his meetings in Dallas will bear ripe fruit.
Yu Darvish, please.
"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011
by MissB on Dec 8, 2011 8:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A nothing sandwich can taste pretty good at times
…’specially compared to other varieties I could name.
"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'" - Earl Weaver
Yeah. A nothing sandwich still has bread!
I like bread.
"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."
-Leslie Nielsen, Airplane
+1
Rizzo & Co. came into the Winter meeting with two goals – A mid-rotation SP to stabilize the staff & a CF, and came away with nada. Maybe he set the stage for trades between now & Spring Training, but losing a shot at Buerhle, and seeing two CF’s (Torres & Pagan) change teams, then losing a third (Komatsu – Rule 5) had to sting a little.
"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3
Im sorry, but why are the winter meetings the bee all end all of the offseason
We still have 2 months to get a CF, and shore up the bench. Im not worries
MOAR SEVERINO!
Agree Jeff…..not worried at all. Meeting may now be over, but I am confident that all the GMs know the Blackberry numbers of one another, and some may even meet every now and then to discuss NCAA football and the need for a playoff. I’m sure the winter meeting is primarily an opportunity and excuse to travel and have a party. I am confident there’s more to come.
"Integrity First, Service Before Self, Excellence In All We Do" - USAF Core Values
They're not, but that was part of my point
In the age of immediate gratification, the fanbase is clearly dissapointed that the Nationals were unable to deliver on the stated needs in four days. I personally feel there is both time & opportunity for Rizzo to regroup & gather the pieces to keep the Nationals both relevent & competitive in the NL East going forward.
"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3
the Winter meetings didn't used to be grandstanding events....
teh Twitter is teh evul…
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
teh twitter is teh evul...
luve teh twitter…
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 9, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Twitter was made for baseball....
yet, the Hot Stove season is long, and much more than four days in Dallas.
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 9, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
All in all it was a net loss....
…but nothing serious. Personally I think Rizzo was fishing in the wrong pond. Starting pitching I think we’ll have. Bullpen is fine. We need a top of the order/cf guy and a BOPPER. The only Boppers out there were Pujols and Fielder. Pujols for 10 years or FIelder for more than 5 would be lunacy. I’m glad Rizzo didn’t take that bait. Center field and top of the order…about the only one I’d have considered is Cuddyer. Span and Upton seem too expensive. Adam Jones would be good but I’ll bet they would want the moon for him. Buhrle would have been nice but I don’t think we need him. The staff is gonna be fine. It’ll suffer from the bumps and bruises of having a bunch of youngsters but as Davey says “I’m fine with the staff as it is.” The loss of the Rule 5 guys is tough. But I think they’ll be back. I’m more concerned over losing Laynce Nix. That might bite us on the bu++.
But will...
Fielder be a bopper when we need him to be. Or will he be fat, sluggish and holding the squad down? Its not like he offers any other skillsets. Defensively and on the basepaths he is awful…so what happens when his bat slows down?
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
My Biggest Issue
Kirk Herbstreit is really starting to freak me out every time I open this page. He’s always waving and pointing like something big happened.
"The infield continues to be earth"........(all-dirt infield from the Darvish vid)
http://www.japanesebaseballstadiums.com/stadiums/koshienstadium.htm
“Koshien Stadium is home to the Hanshin Tigers of the NPB. The stadium is the oldest in the league”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koshien_Stadium
“Babe Ruth played an exhibition game at Koshien on his Japan tour in 1934. There is a plaque at the stadium commemorating the event.”
“The design of the stadium was heavily influenced by the Polo Grounds in New York City.”
“… Wrigley Field-inspired ivy, which has become a symbol of the stadium.”
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
Merci, monsieur for the response to my twitterings...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 9, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
doitashimashte..........
many domes, interesting and not so interesting stadiums over there….that infield does look volcanic…
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 9, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Angels' new TV deal bringing in $150 million per year..
billshaikin reports that Fox-Angels deal will be $3 BILLION for 20 years lat.ms/spIEoS?
for anyone wondering how they are affording their new acquisitions.
always liked the Angels, especially when backing down to Frank Robinson...
they’re an AL team, so it mostly doesn’t matter…
"Even when I retire and live here in Houston, I don't want to go watch American League baseball." Lance Berkman......LBIMH...
by cat daddy3000 on Dec 9, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
NPWEDTWGFDUP
or New Post With Everyone Denying They Will Go For Darvish Up Top
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Dec 9, 2011 12:06 AM EST reply actions

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