Rizzo, Pitching, and the Road Not Taken
As the Nationals entered the offseason after completing the 2010 campaign, Nationals' GM Mike Rizzo made it clear that his top goal was pitching generally - but most particularly a #1 starter. There was only one such starter on the free agent market, Cliff Lee, and the Nationals were never more than dark horse candidates to land Lee. Ultimately, of course, he signed with the Phillies. The Nationals also made a play for Jorge De La Rosa of the Rockies, but he spurned the Nationals and resigned with the Rockies instead. Mike Rizzo may well have caught a break when his trade offer to the Royals was vetoed by Zach Greinke, who was ultimately traded to the Brewers. The Nationals were also linked with many other names, including But many other names were also floated, and each time many posters castigated Rizzo for failing to move aggressively. A couple of weeks short of the halfway point of the season, how has Rizzo done?
The Nationals Starting Rotation (ranked by 2011 ERA+):
Jordan Zimmermann (before today's win over the O's): 4-6, 3.10 ERA, 1.082 WHIP, 123 ERA+
John Lannan: 4-5, 3.52 ERA, 1.391 WHIP, 109 ERA+
Livan Hernandez: 4-8, 3.77 ERA, 1.296 WHIP, 101 ERA+
Jason Marquis: 7-2, 3.86 ERA, 1.390 WHIP, 99 ERA+
Tom Gorzelanny: 2-4, 4.25 ERA, 1.226 WHIP, 90 ERA+
Interesting to note that Marquis, especially after his rocky outing yesterday, has seriously benefited from run support this year despite his gaudy W-L record. Zimmermann, Lannan and Hernandez have losing records but have arguably been better this year. Compare these results with the three starting pitchers linked to the Nationals through trade talks. Remember that acquiring any of these pitchers would have cost the Nationals in terms of future talent, and (in the case of Greinke or Carmona) almost certainly Jordan Zimmermann, their most promising and effective 2011 starter, as well.
Matt Garza (traded to Cubs): 3-6, 4.14 ERA, 1.423 WHIP, 98 ERA+
Zach Greinke (traded to Brewers): 3-6, 5.23 ERA, 1.238 WHIP, 75 ERA+
Fausto Carmona (remained with Indians): 4-8, 5.79 ERA, 1.364 WHIP, 66 ERA+
Clearly none of these pitchers represent (so far) a significant upgrade over what the Nationals already have, with the possible exception of Garza over Gorzelanny - who ironically enough was traded by the Cubs after they acquired Garza. And when the talent that would have been given up is factored in, Rizzo can feel pretty good about these roads not taken. But what about free agents? Free agents would not have required the Nationals to give up talent, although signing Cliff Lee would have cost the Nationals their 3rd round pick in this draft - which was used to draft TCU LHP Matt Purke - if he signs, there is some chance that 5-6 years from now Purke will be better (and much less expensive) than Lee.
Free Agents linked to the Nationals* (as ranked by 2011 ERA+):
Jorge De La Rosa (resigned by the Rockies, 2 yrs, $21.5 million): 5-2, 3.51 ERA, 1.186 WHIP, 129 ERA+, season ended with Tommy John surgery at the beginning of June.
Cliff Lee (signed by Phillies, 5 yrs, $120 million): 7-5, 3.12 ERA, 1.144 WHIP, 124 ERA+
Carl Pavano (resigned by Twins, 2 yrs, $16.5 million): 4-5, 4.20 ERA, 1.325 WHIP, 95 ERA+
Javier Vazquez (signed by Marlins, 1 yr, $7 million): 3-7, 6.85 ERA, 1.676 WHIP, 58 ERA+
Brandon Webb (signed by Rangers, 1 yr, $3 million), got lit up in one rehab start, immediately shut down with shoulder inflammation.
Justin Duchscherer (signed by Orioles, 1 yr, $700,000), contract can increase to $4.1 million with incentives. Shut down last week after feeling pain in his surgically repaired hip during extended spring training.
It's easy to see why Rizzo made a serious play for De La Rosa, who was clearly the class of this group through the early part of the season. Sadly, his season has been derailed and the Rockies are likely to get poor value for their two year contract. Cliff Lee has been quite good for the Phillies, but to get into the Cliff Lee sweepstakes the Nationals would have had to go well beyond the Phillies both in years and dollars. The rest of this class varies from extremely mediocre and expensive (Pavano) to lousy and expensive (Vazquez) to not yet ready for work (Webb, Duchscherer).
Bottom line: I give Rizzo a solid B. I can't give him an A because if a deal for Greinke would have involved Jordan Zimmermann AND more talent (possibly including Desmond and a prospect), it would have been a disaster. We're not quite sure what the exact deal would have been, but it still hurts Rizzo's grade. Even though De La Rosa is injured I can't fault Rizzo for making a play for him, and backing out of the end of the Lee sweepstakes also wroked out well. Not going after Pavano, Vazquez, Webb or Duchscherer clearly turned out to be smart moves even though there were a lot of posters here and on other sites that were savage in their criticism of Rizzo when these players went elsewhere. Sometimes the road not taken doesn't go anywhere good. And just maybe Rizzo deserves some credit for his offseason work.
*These were just pitchers that I saw were linked to the Nationals; if there was another pitcher linked please feel free to point it out in the comments.
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Thanks for putting this together.......
All those Hot Stove options (or rumours) over the last couple of years and virtually none would have been better and the few would have cost dearly and still not been a significant upgrade…
The pitcher batting aeyth is geenyus!!!...
Sometimes the best deals you've made are the deals you didn't make
To his everlasting credit, Rizzo took the measure of all the deals out there, and stood pat. With the exception of one addition (Gorzelanny), Steve McCatty started the 2011 campaign with what he had at the end of 2010 – and has produced the finest pitching staff that I’ve seen in all my years of Washington baseball. And oh yeah, we’re told that young Strasburg’s rehab is coming along just fine.
You are a tough grader, sir – if I’d had you for calculus, my arse would still be on the uncomfortable undergraduate pine at VA Tech.
I myself give Mr. Rizzo a solid A.
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver
I give him an A- for pitching.
Definitely an A for starting pitching moves/non-moves. But I would have liked to see a little more work on the ’pen, especially in AA-AAA prospex.
"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."
-Leslie Nielsen, Airplane
Interesting
I really like what he’s done with the bullpen at the ML level; it has been one of the team’s strengths for much of the year. I haven’t been following the minors closely enough to know what the AA/AAA bullpens look like, although I know that Josh Smoker has shown some promise (at long last) since moving to the bullpen – although he is still walking too many batters.
The Nationals are loaded with guys who could pitch in the bullpen.
This year they have had a lot of guys have break out years with AA, and A+. The Syracuse bullpen has also been good. Some names to look out for in the pen if anyone does down
Syracuse
Craig Stammen(Starter at AAA)
Severino(dont feel like spelling his first name)
Ryan Tatusko
Josh Wilkie
JD Martin
Harrisburg
Erik Arnesen
Pat Lehman
Rafael Martin
Shairon Martis(starter at AA)
Cory VanAllen
Zech Zinicola
So we have plently of depth in the pen
Blue Jays Return Zinicola To Nationals
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/zech_zinicola/
[March 18, 2010 at 12:46pm CST]
The Blue Jays were forced to return Rule 5 righty Zech Zinicola to the Nationals, reports MLB.com’s Jordan Bastian. Bastian learned that the Blue Jays attempted to work out a trade with the Nats, but Washington declined and instead paid the $25K to get Zinicola back.
The pitcher batting aeyth is geenyus!!!...
by cat daddy3000 on Jun 21, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting? To say the least.
I like Rizzo’s work in the area of bullpen pitching real well. Henry Rodriquez had pretty much been left at the curb with the garbage. Now, the way he’s shaping up under the ‘Cat (and not the cat o’ nine tails), young Lightning Rod could be any kind of relief pitcher. Them boys Coffee and Matthews (once they learn how to spell their f’n names) ain’t done yet by a damn sight, and I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Cole Kimball.
Pitching – starting and bullpen – remains our greatest strength, and there are worse ways to build a baseball team.
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver
I would give him an A- for the pen
Lets not forget that he put Chad Gaudin int he bullpen over Balester for some strange reason
There's been some pretty bad bullpenning this season
Gaudin, Broderick, Slaten. And Balester’s been no slice of pie either. And you want to give Rizzo an A-?
Rob
-- In baseball we trust.
I don't give Rizzo an A on the bullpen, but I think he's done a good job there nonetheless
My views on Gaudin are well known, and were stated from the moment he signed with the team. He’s now on (very) extended rehab assignment, and with any luck that experiment has run its course. Broderick was an attempt to stash a guy who wasn’t ready in the bullpen for the future. It didn’t work, but it was worth a shot (especially the way he pitched in FL).
As for the rest, there’s not a team in the league that has all six (or seven) relievers pitching well all the time. With Kimball coming back, H. Rod coming around and the reliable tandem of Clippard and Storen at the back end of the bullpen, the Nationals are better than many and, if Burnett continues to rebound, better than most.
Not that he cares, but I’d give Rizzo a solid B+ on the bullpen.
Gaudin sucked and was pointless, no argument there
Broderick pitched to damn good in ST not to al least get a shot, and they let him go fairly early
Slaten was good laste year and might have been pitchign hurt
Balester has had 3 appearences, that is SSSS right there.
Rizzo has brout up Kimball, and Mattheus. He was able to get Clippard for nothing, BUrnett for a guy who needed a change, HRod for 1 year of Willingham, along with a lot of prospects that could step up later this year.I would call that good work
I'm talking about assembling this year's bullpen
Storen, Clippard, and Burnett were already on the team (as was Slaten). The guys he acquired were Gaudin (who stunk), Broderick (who was a bad Rule 5 candidate), Coffey, and HRod (who I still don’t trust). 8 out of 10 for Coffey, 6 out of 10 for HRod, 2 out of 10 for Gaudin, and 2 out of 10 for Broderick. Those aren’t excellent numbers, which I believe should be the threshold for an A.
Rob
-- In baseball we trust.
That seems harsh (but it's your grading scale)
For what he was signed to be, I think that both Coffey and HRod should be graded higher. None of these guys was expected to be the closer (HRod is viewed as a potential closer somewhere down the line). I wouldn’t grade Broderick as low either; he was never expected to be anything other than the last guy in the bullpen, and it was a low risk move to try to keep him through Rule 5. As you know, the majority of Rule 5 draftees are ultimately returned to their original team.
Also, while Storen, Clippard and Burnett were already on this team, at least two of them (Storen and Burnett) Rizzo was clearly the mover behind their acquisition. To me that counts in the “assembling the bullpen” grade since no team experiences 100% turnover from season to season. Again, IMNSHO; your mileage may (and clearly does) vary.
Fair enough
I would think that Rizzo would be hard pressed to improve the bullpen much from last year. His big challenge was to ensure that it didn’t decline in production. He replaced Batista with Coffey (more or less), and Bisenius with HRod (more or less). He did not necessarily fill the gap that was left when Capps was traded and Storen moved into his spot — I think that was the role he had intended for Gaudin. As to Broderick, I am not a big believer in making a mop-up or desperation arm out of a Rule 5 guy. They either rot away on the bench and act as a hole in the roster, or they are thrown into excessively high leverage situations. (I prefer hitters as Rule 5 guys).
Rob
-- In baseball we trust.
What?
Replaced Joe Bisenius with HRod? Bisenious appeared in five games, 4.2 IP with an ERA of 9.64 and an ERA+ of 45. Replace Batista with Coffey? I think that Gaudin was intended for the Batista role – he’s always been a spot starter/long relief guy, not a “bridge” reliever.
I think a better parallel is that Rizzo replaced Capps, Peralta, Batista, Bruney and Tyler Walker with Coffey, HRod, Mattheus, Gaudin and Kimball. While the production hasn’t been quite as good, I note that of the relievers let go Peralta has been good, Capps and Batista have struggled and Walker is out of baseball. Judging from current production as well as a comparison to the current production and future prospects vs. the current production and future prospects if Rizzo had elected to keep last year’s bullpen, I think Rizzo has done well.
Interestingly, Brian Bruney has resurfaced with the White Sox and the Nationals may see him in a week.
Rizzo’s pitching staff has, with only a handful of really notable hiccups, done everything one could ask of a staff on a developing team they’ve given the team a chance to win just about every time out. overall
They’ve kept the team in games when they weren’t hitting and have donea good job of locking it down when they have the lead. or B+ is at all out of the question.
I don’t think an A
Unscientifically, the way I look at a pitching staff is that if there isn’t anyone on it who makes me want to cover my eyes and say, “Oh sh*t…. not THAT guy!” then we’re doing okey.
don't enclose anything in hyphens....the A- is what did you in....
The pitcher batting aeyth is geenyus!!!...
by cat daddy3000 on Jun 22, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Cliff Lee, IMO, is the only cat I would have made a hard play for
But that is why Rizzo gets paid the big bucks and I don’t. That is too pricey, especially considering what they spent for Werth. Land Lee and that eliminates any chance of keeping Zimm and going after a Pujols or other needed FAs. For the reason Whupass made, giving a season to the Cat with his boys has been huge, and that is why our starters’ numbers are better than anything else we could have had. Hindsight, of course, could have given us an extra solid arm that could be contributing….
Why so serious? Its just DC sports...
Thank you, Sir
You are a gentleman and a scholar …
can't believe no one's stepped up yet...........Hey?!?...at the bottom of the article is a REC button.......
somebody push it…[ah, pushing buttons, yanking levers………you’ll be a hard act to follow, Riggler]
The pitcher batting aeyth is geenyus!!!...
by cat daddy3000 on Jun 24, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions

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