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Washington Nationals' Skipper Jim Riggleman Redefines Walk-Off. Resigns Following Today's Game. D.C. GM Mike Rizzo And Riggleman Quotes.

Immediately following today's 1-0 win over the Seattle Mariners, after a game which saw Jason Marquis and Michael Pineda try to outdo each other one scoreless inning after another until it was decided by team's bullpens in the ninth, Washington Nationals' Skipper Jim Riggleman stunned the baseball-following population of the nation's capital when he announced that he had resigned, effective immediately, as the manager of the 38-37 Washington Nationals, who'd just completed a three-game sweep of the Mariners, and won the eleven of their last twelve to get themselves a game over .500 later in the season they've been since the Nats' Inaugural campain in 2005.

"It's been something that...If you're going to do this job you have to be totally committed to it," Riggleman said, "and you have to feel like there's a committment to you and I just didn't feel that way."

"I've talked to Mike [Rizzo] in the past about addressing my situation and you know, it wasn't the right time to talk, I understand that, and I just felt that it's worthy of a conversation. So, it's been brewing for a while, but I just felt that, I know I'm not Casey Stengle but I do feel like I know what I'm doing and it's not a situation where I felt like I should continue on with such a short leash where every little hill and valley is life and death in the game, and the game's not fun that way. So, I just wanted to have a conversation [about it] when we got to Chicago. And Mike said he's not ready to have that conversation, I respect his decision and so I said, 'I've got to give it up then. If I'm obviously not the person that you all want to go down the road with...and I get that, that's okay, you know, but I love it here and I'll miss it." 

Star-divide

"Jim and I had a discussion before the game today and he told me of his displeasure of his contract situation and told me that if there wasn't something done about the contract that he was going to resign after the game so, we accepted his resignation," Nationals' General Manager Mike Rizzo explained to the press when he turned up for the post game press conference instead of the Nats' manager.

"As you can see it's taken us a little bit by surprise," Rizzo continued. "We don't have immediate plans for a successor as manager. By Monday we will have an answer and we will have somebody managing the team. But, by no means is there no leadership and a person in charge of the organization. We feel that we're going in the right direction. We continue to feel that way. The leadership is very, very strong and committed to put a winner on the field, a championship caliber organization and we will continue to be committed to that." 

Riggleman met with the press in the team's clubhouse shortly after the GM's press conference. Asked about making the decision to leave right now, when the team had finally started to really turn it around, Riggleman said, "It's tough at any time. I mentioned to Mike a long time ago that I'd like to talk about the situation and Mike didn't think it was the right time. So, as we get to this point in the year I mentioned it to Mike again and he said he's not ready to talk about it and so I just feel that that's like saying, 'You know what, you're not the guy." So..."

"It's a personal conversation," Rizzo said when asked about how the discussion with Riggleman had gone."It's was a conversation that we've had several times as we discussed it. I told him that I thought he was doing a great job as the manager of this club. I'm the guy who hired him as the manager of this club, I've supported him through the media personally and in the clubhouse every step of the way, and he certainly, he obviously, didn't take to it and wasn't persuaded by it."

"We have discussed...," Rizzo said, pausing mid-thought, "..his option being picked up is what we've been discussing. Several times during the season, I felt that the time wasn't right for me to pick up the option as of this time and certainly today's conversation put to me in the way it was put to me, you certainly can't make that decision in a knee-jerk reaction, it's too big of a decision to be put in that position, and it was a decision Jim's timetable was prepared to make and I was not." 

"I just wanted the option picked up," Riggleman explained. "But I want to make one thing very clear. I wanted a conversation about it. I didn't say, 'Pick up my option or else.' And I want to make that very clear. I said, 'I think it's worthy of conversation when we get to Chicago,' and Mike said, well, we're not going to do that.'" When the general manager was asked if he'd felt it was an ultimatum, Rizzo responded, "Jim told me pregame today that if we wouldn't pick up his option then he wouldn't get on the team bus today."

Was it the first time he was presented an ultimatum? "Yes it was the first time."

The Nationals' manager was asked if he felt disrespected, to which he responded, "I think it's just the way that the ballclub wants to do business, and I'll tell you, I've been doing it ten years, and maybe I'll never get another opportunity, but I promise you I'll never do it on a one-year deal again." 

In explaining the fact that the Nationals had thus far neglected to pick up the manager's option, Rizzo told reporters, "The thought process behind that process [was that] I wanted to see where the season was going, it hasn't changed from the Spring Training speech. The same reasons and rationale I had back then. I wanted to see where our young players were going, how they were being developed and how we were moving forward and being four weeks before the All-Star game I felt it wasn't the time to make that decision yet."

"Very disappointing," Rizzo said when asked for his reaction to Riggleman's decision. "Very disappointing and disappointing to the players in the clubhouse to the fanbase of Washington, to the city of Washington, D.C., and personally to myself. But we will move on, we will move on from this as we have from the Stephen Strasburg injury, from the Ryan Zimmerman injury, we will move on from this and we will go forward and we will not miss a beat. We are committed like I said to put together a championship caliber organization and that is what we're going to do."

"Players love to play," Riggleman said when asked about the team's reaction. "They'll shower it off and get after it tomorrow, you know there's probably some of them, it's the best news they could've got today and others probably feel [like], 'C'mon, Jim. Don't do that,' But it's about me, it's about looking in the mirror and feeling like I've got to answer to myself and I was coming to work feeling like in today's world, in major sports, it's not a good environment to work when a manager or head coach in football, basketball, whatever is on a short leash. Too many negatives can come out of it. You're walking on eggshells too often. You can't think out of the box as much and so forth, and I thought after ten years I'd earned the right to have a little bit longer leash."

"I think everyone's a little shocked," Ryan Zimmerman said in a post game interview on MASN, "It's a business, it's baseball and crazy things happen. I mean, we don't know too much yet, but we've just got to continue to play hard and do what we're doing. When it comes down to it, we're the guys on the field, and we have to continue to get better everyday and work hard. And no matter who, I guess the manager is, or who you want to say is leading us, I think we have a good core group of players that are going in the right direction and I don't think we need to lose sight of that." 

The Nationals, who won today's game in the ninth on a bases loaded sac fly, didn't know they were playing what is more than likely the last game under Riggleman's guidance. "They were not aware of it going into the game," RIzzo explained, they were notified by me directly after the game was over. I addressed the team, then addressed the coaching staff." 

Had their been animosity in the past? "No, I felt no animosity towards him whatsoever," Rizzo said, "I was very taken aback by it and very surprised by it." Had tried to talk to Riggleman after the game? "Yes I did," Rizzo said, "I spoke to Jim immediately after the game, and before addressing the team. Nothing had changed." 

Riggleman ends his time as the Washington Nationals' manager with a 140-172 record. 

• D.C. GM Mike Rizzo released the following statement shortly after the press conferences took place: 

STATEMENT FROM NATIONALS EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF BASEBALL OPERATIONS AND GENERAL MANAGER MIKE RIZZO

The Washington Nationals have announced the resignation of Manager Jim Riggleman effective immediately after today’s 1-0 victory over the Seattle Mariners.

"I learned of Jim’s decision just prior to today’s game. He told me that unless his current contract was extended for another season by the end of today’s game he intended to immediately resign as manager and would not be accompanying the team on the scheduled road trip to play the Chicago White Sox.

"I believe, and I told Jim, decisions as important as this must be made thoughtfully and methodically. I was not willing to make judgments of that magnitude in the course of a nine inning game.

"I talked to Jim before the season and have emphasized since that no decision would be made on his extension until after the end of the season. I am surprised and disappointed, personally, and am even more disappointed for our players and fans. I was always taught that one of the cardinal rules of baseball was that no individual can put his interests before those of the team.

"Obviously, his resignation comes when all our attentions should be directed toward the field and the impressive performances of our players over the past two weeks, winning 11 of the last 12 games. I met with players immediately after the game and asked that they not allow Jim’s decision to distract them from goals we established before the season.

"Given the short notice, final decisions about who will be interim field manager have not been made. I did assure our players those decisions would be made before they take the field in Chicago.

"Again, I am disappointed in Jim’s decision and its timing. I would like to assure all of our players and fans that we stand behind this team, are proud of its performance, and will act decisively to fill Jim’s position as soon as possible.

"We intend to build the Washington Nationals into a championship contender. Today’s actions will not in any way deter us from those efforts."

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well now that's interesting...

“They’ll shower it off and get after it tomorrow, you know there’s probably some of them, it’s the best news they could’ve got today and others probably feel [like], ’C’mon, Jim. Don’t do that,’”

wonder which players he knows didn’t like him…

by hscer on Jun 23, 2011 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Werth via Kilgore:

@AdamKilgore: Here’s Jayson Werth: “Whether I agree or disagree, I respect Jim’s decision. He’s moving on and we’re moving on. Got a ball game tomorrow.”

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jun 23, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

JayDub ain't shedding no tears

besides, he’s a pro

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Jun 23, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, huh? A telling comment

and unbecoming as hell

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Jun 23, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I found it kind of a funny coincidence

That Marquis litched his last game, considering the huge blowup they had in Baltimore

And what if the no hitter (STOP JINXING IT LADSON) had actually happened? I wonder if that would have made anything different

by G8RB8 on Jun 23, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Riggleman wouldn't PH for Jason in bottom 8th either

when everybody, and I mean everybody in the world hollered that he should. Riggleman wanted to give Jason a shot at CG/SO – and at that moment, he knew that this was his last game.

If some screen-writer made that sh*t up, would anybody buy it? Not a chance.

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Jun 23, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was definitely thinking

watching how subdued he was in the celebration, that could easily be dramatized to make a decently compelling movie scene

one wonders, because he was certainly thrilled after Monday’s win, whether he knew yet he might quit soon, or if this really did catch everyone off guard. or was the comeback just that amazing he couldn’t help but get giddy even if he was already near his breaking point?

by hscer on Jun 23, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

@Buster_ESPN:

A rival official on Riggleman: “I wouldn’t hire him for Double-A or Triple-A job. You can’t walk away… when you’re under contract.”

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jun 23, 2011 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Flying drop-kick from the top rope

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Jun 23, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Theo Epstien did a few years back, but the red Sox begged him back.

NTS should do the same with Riggs

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Jun 24, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he regrets this tomorrow

How can quitting on a team now be a better career move than waiting for the team to possibly not extend him? At least he would have had a chance to coach again if he hadn’t quit. Now, I doubt he gets a job in baseball again.

This is a game to be savored, not gulped. There's time to discuss everything between pitches or between innings. ~Bill Veeck

by timnanna on Jun 23, 2011 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting to watch the MASN replay right now

In hindsight, it’s really strange to see shots of Riggleman chatting with other coaches and discussing calls with the umpire.

I can see Riggleman’s point that Rizzo was just brushing him off. It did remind me of the so-called negotations with Adam Dunn last year at the same time that Rizzo kept saying that he wanted an improved defensive team and more athletic players.

But it’s hard to see Riggleman getting another job in the Major Leagues anytime soon. While the team has been playing well recently, the Nats have hardly lit the league on fire over the past two years. Maybe he can get a bench coach position with some organization where he has strong personal connections. They might be more willing to hear his side of the dispute.

The Nats will move on. I just hope that Werth’s comments a few weeks ago (about having some ideas) didn’t play any part in this. That would rub a lot of people the wrong way. Werth is getting an enormous amount of money and he is unlikely to be productive in the last years of the deal. Well, actually he isn’t that productive in the first year of the deal. Werth hasn’t earned the right to be re-making the team. He’s new. He may put a big financial strain on the franchise in 5 years. And he hasn’t done that much at the plate. 10 HRs is OK, but not for the money he’s getting. Not when it’s coupled with a .230 average.

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"Save it. I'm goin' for a smoothie."
The Washington Nationals, the team of the 2010s!

by Potomac Fan on Jun 23, 2011 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm watching the replay too

Eerie, in a way

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Jun 23, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Patrick is in his glory

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Jun 23, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strasburg signing day was the previous best, getting close today...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jun 23, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go 'head wid yo bad self

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Jun 23, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since when is it Rizzo responsibilitiy to do what Riggs asked?

Rizzo has all right to say no to Riggs because he was in the middle of a contract that he signed and agreed to at the beginnning of the season. Rizzo is just saying, hey lets see how this all plays out and maybe you will be rewarded, but Riggs wanted instant gratification. Let’s not forget that Jim has not accomplished much in MLB, he is a journeyman coach that had only one playoff apperance with the Cubs, got swept by the Braves, but has never really made himself into a good, not even great, but good manager. I will agree that Jim was under-paid, but you just cant up and quit when you didnt get what you want. I never really liked the guy to begin with, but the big problem was timing. If this was September and the Nats are still above .500 and still fighting for a Wild Card spot, then i could understand Jim wanting to talk about his contract, but it’s June and they have only played 75 games, it was just bad timing on Jim. I agree with said front-office guy, i would not go near this guy, because he just showed that if he dosent get what he want he quits.

by TheDudeAbides9 on Jun 23, 2011 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

And Riggleman

Has the right to resign… Neither Rizzo’s refusal to communicate or Riggs decision benefits the Nationals in anyway

by feichan on Jun 23, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I've seen these words ...

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, but isn't a cucumber that small called a gherkin?"

by jbg2772 on Jun 23, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's wait'll the other shoe drops, and we find out who's taking over

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Jun 23, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one decent is available to manage right now

The Marlins had to hire someone undead to manage., and he is now gone. Will have to be an internal promotion.

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Jun 24, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt it

There are too many level-headed veterans on the team to let that happen. Zimmerman will be very important for his leadership this week. He’s already made a good start with his calm interview after the game.

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"Save it. I'm goin' for a smoothie."
The Washington Nationals, the team of the 2010s!

by Potomac Fan on Jun 23, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Riggleman will be missed

When you are hurting you sometimes do things that are not rational because your feelings take over. I can understand how Riggleman feels that way. Anyone who can take the Nationals and get them over 500, and win 11 of 12 is doing something right. With the talent the lack, he is more than worthy of a discussion. Interesting one of the two is not telling the truth. Did Riggleman say he only wanted a discussion as he says? Or did he say he demanded a new contract? I think Rizzo was put in a difficult situation, but if he is ltelling a lie about what Riggleman asked him to do then the team is left with the wrong guy.

by vinniesqueaker on Jun 23, 2011 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn't think he was the long-term solution, but watching the way they played the last few weeks...

I was starting to wonder if he was starting to become that manager. Shocked he made this decision rather than waiting for the Nats to make their decision.

Plus as a certain former GM noted this evening, he gives up the remainder of the $600,000 he was due by quitting.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jun 23, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still think he has over-managed and I think this may wind up being one of the best things to happen to the Nats

This assumes that Rizzo makes a good hire, but I have faith in him.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents. As are we all."
---Malachi Constant

by The Herndon Kid on Jun 23, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steve McCatty

Don’t need no outsider

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Jun 23, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

..or maybe we do need an outsider...?

but that’d be tough, under the circumstances.

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Jun 23, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

@acomack Sources indicate Davey Johnson very high on #Nats list of candidates to manage rest of season.

by wittcap79 on Jun 23, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bring back Davey!!

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jun 23, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Davey will want to take them to the playoffs just to shove it in AngeBlo’s face.

by wittcap79 on Jun 23, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. Unwise to call an outsider, put him onna plane to Chi and say, "Take charge."

I like ‘Cat, but Bo Porter can do – "If the weather’s fast and the track is clear…" Seriously, Bo could do the job. We’d win games, and it’d be fun.

I don’t ax much, but no McLaren, hah?

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Jun 23, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

your wrong!

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Jun 24, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who is wrong and aboot what?

Sorry, just don’t know what this is in response to?

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jun 24, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, baseball is a bidniss, and this was not good bidniss

I believe Riggleman will live to regret this moment of pique – sooner rather than later.

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver

by Whupass on Jun 23, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this seems to be just about perfect.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents. As are we all."
---Malachi Constant

by The Herndon Kid on Jun 23, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

First moment of clarity.

by HarmonK on Jun 23, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I so seriously do NOT agree with that. This kind of statement would be just

MORE of Rizzo playing the “victim” when he is absolutely as complicit in this situation as Riggs.
Rizzo has treated Riggs poorly all along and anybody paying any attention had to now that Riggs was not going to be THE manager after this year. And Rizzo is blowing smoke up everybody when he says that he had no inkling about this. he just didn’t think good, old Riggs would be strong enough to stick to his words…and decided to blow him off once again.

Rizzo gets NO PASS from me in this.

by MissB on Jun 23, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nats saying McLaren to be interim-interim til they decide on a replacement...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jun 23, 2011 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow. Talk about history repeating it self...

… Or flip flopping. When the Nationals priviously played Seattle McLaren fired and Rigglemen was made manager and now the opposite happens. A bizzar day in Nats Town.

Get your blue and red on...pink is not a team color!

by cookielover on Jun 24, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Kirkjian bringing up some interest points on ESPN

Seemed to say that there may have been a group of players in the club house who did not really care to listen to Riggleman because they didn’t think he was even going to be there next year.

by Brotato on Jun 23, 2011 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

plausible

[crosses fingers/toes]
please dont turn into the ’skins!

by TJL on Jun 23, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

highly doubt

that this group has the ego to turn into the skins

by Ratmachine53 on Jun 23, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow number 2

I thought winning cured all.

by HarmonK on Jun 23, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

After Hearing rigglemans interview on espn

it seems like this is something that has been going on for a while, most of the people are viewing the team as being on the rise all of the sudden but most of us here have witnessed his over managing and missed calls, I dont like the fact that he feels like being paid $700,000 is just an afterthought to the nats

by Ratmachine53 on Jun 23, 2011 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Riggs lineup in recent weeks shows he is one of the wisest baseball men in the game

Using the same math used to get men into space, it has been proven that batting the pitcher 8th is the wisest possible lineup, and speed is mostly wasted in front of power hitters. However, managers get jeered and booed for making changes to the traditional lineup. the fact that Riggs was willing to do what was right rather than what was safe convinced me he should be the long term solution for any team. it is more than 50% of the reason for the big winning streak. We lost one of the best in the business today gentlemen. one of the best! I guarantee it!

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Jun 24, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

What America tolerates least of all (for better or for worse)....

…is a quitter. And this will be seen as a guy who quit for a pretty petty reason.

by donniethelion on Jun 23, 2011 9:36 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

As many have said

There is blame on both sides here. Rizzo DID disrespect Riggs and I have much less respect for him now, yet still respect that he is trying to do what is best for the franchise. If Riggs really brought the team to a respectable record at the end of the season, his option most likely would have been picked up. He was never “the guy” to bring the team to a WS win, but was the transition to get there since no self respecting manager would want to manage a losing team. Really the team is about the players and less about the manager although it is his job to motivate the guys to do drills. Riggs acted selfishly in his high noon stand off and that is that. Close the book on him in D.C. and move on.

McLaren I have a feeling will only interim until the next series or homestand at the latest. I expect Knorr, Porter, Valentine, and Davey Johnson to be high on the list as the “true” interim managers for the season.

Name a number between three and five.
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Threeve.

by Mattionals on Jun 23, 2011 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

@Buster_ESPN

If I had to bet the family farm—and I grew up on a family farm in Vermont— I’d bet that Davey Johnson will be the next manager of the Nats

by wittcap79 on Jun 23, 2011 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

The most important point being missed consistently

is that a manager with a two-year contract is more effective than the exact same manager with a one year contract. It’s not debatable, especially in Washington where the lame duck effect is well appreciated.
Players know it. Riggleman knows it, and he knows that Rizzo knows it. Leaving a good manager in that position (even to talk about it at the end of the year) DOES NOT WORK, especially for a developing team.
Yes, I like Riggleman and wish things had worked out, but the Nats will be fine. I also think Rizzo is smarter than me, and I really hope he has a good reason for this…

by ParkShark on Jun 23, 2011 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

OK

Tell us why you would listen to a boss who won’t be there tomorrow.

by ParkShark on Jun 23, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was going to be there tomorrow? until today?

No one knows whats going on behind the scenes or what players felt before today; or to that point what they really feel about today. As far as they knew the guy who decided if they were playing was Riggleman. That guy had a team option to come back for the next year and unless you have inside information no-one else has. We do not know if that option would have been picked up or not. I don’t see a reason why the players would automatically assume he wasn’t coming back; with the team controlling him if they want him.

Riggleman controlled who played, where and when. If he wanted to prove a point he should have sat any players being unruly with him, take away money they would have made playing from contract stipulations. Sat players relying on playing time to showcase their talents for their next contract. This is how a manager controls his team, not by making an ultimatum to prove a point to those players. No team is going to take an ultimatum from anyone under contract. He let his pride get the better of him. He should have been the one putting the foot down (if there was unruly players,) not Rizzo having to say no to his demand.

by RepConsul on Jun 23, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just keep winning

and things would work themselves out

by G8RB8 on Jun 23, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's just it

If you want to keep winning, you don’t have a short term manager.

by ParkShark on Jun 23, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

People will argue...

That it is the players not the managers that will keep winning. Guess we’ll find that out starting in Chicago.

by RepConsul on Jun 23, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

And they are right!

It is definitely the players. And the manager comes after. And if you can’t agree, here we are. So why make a stink with a manager who isn’t charging much and has done well… unless you have better things in mind? In Rizzo we trust.

by ParkShark on Jun 23, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh, Rizzo is an "options" guy

So far it has worked out for him, doing whatever gives him more options. I am sure he fully intended to wait until the end of the year to see what other options were available. Riggleman signed the contract giving the team an option. Rizzo fully intended to wait to see how all the options looked. Riggleman didn’t like that in hindsight and his pride is hurt to this point.

I honestly think its that simple. We don’t know if Rizzo would have picked up the option or not. I feel he prob. would have after seeing what was out there. It would have been a 1 year contract again though, but that’s what Riggleman wanted; even though he complained about 1 year contracts.

by RepConsul on Jun 23, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

And shoe on the other foot

If the Nats would have signed Rigs today for his extra one year, I’d have said to myself “isn’t that a little bit hasty?” Considering until about 3 weeks ago, I’d have cared less one way or the other and leaned towards showing Rigs the door.

Though I blame them both, given what we hear happened, I’m glad Rizzo didn’t budge.

by G8RB8 on Jun 24, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

And to me

This is almost the same thing as Mike Morse (striking while the iron’s hot) busting into Rizzo’s door and saying that he wants a new contract or he’s done playing.

Just keep winning. Just keep playing good baseball. Everything after that falls into place. If your home isn’t DC, someone else will find a home for you. Now Rigs has nothing to stand on really, good luck finding another home

by G8RB8 on Jun 24, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I should add...

It was not okay to have a one-year manager contract THIS WHOLE SEASON and Riggleman had the pride to wait until things were going WELL to end it.
Again, the Nats will be fine, and I hope Rizzo has a better plan for the future.

by ParkShark on Jun 23, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because if my boss has something to offer I have to milk it for as long as he’ll be around. Additionally, if I use him to build a contact I’ll have that going for me as my career continues. If his career ends he’ll still have his old contacts which I may still be able to leverage.

It’s only a pure ass or a guy with a completely useless boss who wouldn’t listen to their lame duck boss. Here’s a hint, a guy that’s been in baseball for as long as Riggleman has been likely has contacts all through the sport. He’s probably burned 95% of them as they relate to his career status but that doesn’t mean that he won’t cash his chips for a former subordinate that did as little as listen to him. In summation: it’s always a good idea to be amicable to those you work for and with and it’s never a good idea to burn a bridge, stairway, link etc.

Suspend Colin Campbell!

by snowburnt on Jun 23, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, in the 70's when noboby else was doing it

… and nobody has done it since. Riggleman kept talking about a “short leash” and this is not a hard concept to understand.

by ParkShark on Jun 23, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Horse nostrils

First of all, Riggleman kept talking about a short leash because he didn’t think he was getting picked up. You want your option picked up? Win. Because if he wins the team is going to pick up the option.

Also, when you say “tell us why you would listen to a boss who won’t be there tomorrow” I can answer first by saying because s/he is my boss and until tomorrow has control over my working conditions and my ability to do my job. But second of all I disagree that the players knew that Riggleman wouldn’t have been there next year, because the team was starting to come together.

by d_c_guy on Jun 24, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

that, to account for his unusual fielding error on Tuesday, Werth told reporters, “I’ll tell you on Thursday.”

by ParkShark on Jun 23, 2011 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Get outa here. He said that?

You could not make this sh*t up.

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by Whupass on Jun 23, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

buthe said today

“I think I can say I’m disappointed, surprised for sure.”

by ParkShark on Jun 23, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry, BUT HE said today

“I think I can say I’m disappointed, surprised for sure.”

by ParkShark on Jun 23, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot about that

A protest for Riggles? Against Riggles? Something much more sinister? We need to know.

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by The Herndon Kid on Jun 23, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, my suspicion at the time

Was that they had seen something in the scouting, perhaps the batter had a habit of taking a big turn around first and he was going for the bare hand grab for a quick throw behind the runner – and that he wanted to wait until Thursday because he didn’t want to mention it until after the Seattle series was over.

by d_c_guy on Jun 23, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is probably what he meant

But, unfortunately for Jayson, more than the series ended on Thursday. So he’ll probably get some questions.

by ParkShark on Jun 23, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Werth didn't seem to have a great relationship with Riggleman

so it’s hard to imagine that he would have inside knowledge on Riggleman’s plans. Maybe Werth was just joking about putting off the comment about the error for a couple days. It’s odd out of context, but in the context of the situation, it might not have meant anything.

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by Potomac Fan on Jun 23, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rizzo has his BS machine running full speed again!

Lets face it we have seen it over and over again. This is a classless organization. Top down. From day ONE! Need a few examples…Frank Robinson, Soriano, Cordero, Kasten Dunn, Grienke…Just to name a few. Make all the excuses you want….This team is being TATOOED around baseball for being classless and cheap. All of Rizzo’s BS and spin can’t stop it. The organization needs to change from the top down! Every bit as bad as Danny boy’s mess over in Ashburn. Keep talking Mike …You look like a manequin!

by OldReddog on Jun 23, 2011 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

uh...

Rizzo wasn’t here for almost all of that, blame bowden and kasten? The 2 picks were worth more then Dunn is? (hindsight is 20/20) He had to do what he did to get the picks, made the limited offer to qualify? Dunn wanted a decent pay day and a long contract, doesn’t fit a young building team? Greinke had nothing to do with rizzo, but him not thinking we would be where we are now?

What you want, a top down change, already happened? Rizzo couldn’t do anything even if he wanted to. No team is going to give into demands or ultimatums from anyone under contract…when would it end? Riggleman shot himself in the foot…

by RepConsul on Jun 23, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he is blaming the owners

the guy Rizzo works for. And frankly, I am beginning to agree with him. Riggs was the lowest paid manager in baseball. That places our organization on par with the NBAs Clippers. And frankly, we are awfully similar. Note; we are in a city with a huge population of African-Americans and we are the whitest team in the game. Every black player we have ever played we traded or just let go. And we never draft black players either. That is just plain stupid, yet here we are.

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by PhDBrian on Jun 24, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well he is the only guy.

And he is only getting to play because Ankiel, ANKIEL! got hurt.

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by PhDBrian on Jun 24, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

DC is a black city

We would be wise to have more black players. I am white than an a real old ladies hair, but it is clear we are not making any effort to cultivate that segment of the city. And when we have a black player like Soriano (I know he is also hispanic) or Morgan we give them real short leashes. Look at what Morgan is doing with the Brewers. If he was doing that here we would be a better team by far.

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by PhDBrian on Jun 24, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Soriano had a short leash?

They did try to resign him, they just weren’t going to pay him the money that the Cubs (foolishly) dropped on him. That was a short leash?

I’m not sure I would call Morgan a short leash, either. After his crappy performance last year (bad hitting – boneheaded plays on the bases and in the field – the unfortunate incidents in FL) there were a lot of people who were surprised that he made it through last season, much less into spring training this year. I remember all the conversations going on here and on Nats Insider that were saying that Morgan was only around because he was a Rizzo guy, because Rizzo had so much invested in him after the trade with Pittsburgh. He can’t both have been protected because he was Rizzo’s guy and on a short leash.

by d_c_guy on Jun 24, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

He wasn't protected

He is one of the 5 best defensive Center fielders in baseball last season. he should never have been leading off, but he is leagues better than Ankiel or Bernadina as a CF. The Brewers have statistically two of the best defensive Cfs in baseball and they are platooning and hitting up a storm. They are big reason the team is winning this season (not the only reason), but a big one.

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by PhDBrian on Jun 24, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nyjer’s RF/G at CF is below the league avg for 2011. His fld% is also below the league average. And his total RF/G for all OF positions is barely above league average. He’s a good center fielder, he’s not top 5. He COULD be, but his instincts are shite. Let’s not go off on a rant like we gave away Griffey or Jim Edmonds here.

by wittcap79 on Jun 24, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hindsight is 20/20 and Morgan is only a part-time player

Nyjer Morgan had a very subpar year in 2010. Plus there was all that nonsense with crashing into catchers and setting off brawls that could have easily resulted in injuries to key players on the team. I’m just surprised the organization kept him around as long as they did in the offseason.

Don’t forget too, that Nyjer dazzled everyone in his first 2 months in D.C. too. He has to do much more than play well for 2 months to show that he’s really a good player. He’s a part-time player in Milwaukee (only 39 games so far). He only has 3 SB on 5 attempts. That’s not impressive. Then there’s the problem of his defense. He demonstrated that he doesn’t have baseball smarts. He made many mental errors and baseball knowledge errors in games, which led to many extra bases for the other team.

Soriano’s situation was similar to that of Dunn. The team didn’t want to tie up a lot of money long-term into those players. With Soriano, the team was very cheap in general. With Dunn, it was the defense. True, they ended up spending a lot on Werth. He plays good defense but of course he hasn’t hit much this year.

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by Potomac Fan on Jun 24, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

It sure seems like this "racial calculus" is only focused on black players, not Hispanics

Sounds a lot like the racial litmus tests that Marion Barry often talks about.

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by Potomac Fan on Jun 24, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I should say rarely draft black players

But we certainly seem to give them very short leashes compared to white players.

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by PhDBrian on Jun 24, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

They signed Dimitri Young when no one else wanted him

And signed him to a big $$ extension when most people in baseball (correctly) thought it was idiotic to do so.

by d_c_guy on Jun 24, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not discounting that MLB has an issue with African Americans overall

I do think that the league is trying to address that through the RBI program, and the Nationals have worked with the District government to promote baseball. It’s not a problem that’s going to be solved overnight.

by d_c_guy on Jun 24, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats is true

But he was a Bowden guy.

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by PhDBrian on Jun 24, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

And he was essentially cut after one season.

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by PhDBrian on Jun 24, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Nats were more than fair with Dmitri Young

They stuck with him even after some of his personal issues resurfaced.

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by Potomac Fan on Jun 24, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus the first manager in franchise history (in Washington) was Frank Robinson

I’m not sure what the point of this is. The owners aren’t “anti-black”. And less than 10 percent of all players in the Major Leagues are African-American.

The team gave Elijah Dukes a chance when no one else would. We stuck with him way too long. We took a shot on Lastings Milledge. He’s not even in MLB right now. I think he’s back in the minors.

Most of the talented young black athletes choose basketball or football these days. The Nats can’t do anything about that directly. They can work with the RBI program and local school programs, but the results don’t appear for a long time.

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by Potomac Fan on Jun 24, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was the manager before the owners took over the team

And he is a Hall of famer, yet he was treated poorly and left.

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by PhDBrian on Jun 24, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

They treated Riggleman pretty poorly too

It’s not a black or white thing. They just seem to be jerks in general.

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by Potomac Fan on Jun 24, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok you may be right

But it does seem like the team should do far more to promote to the east side of the district than they do. Having a black star would really help that!.

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by PhDBrian on Jun 24, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that would be nice

but there are relatively few black players in MLB these days. Plus many stars are tied up in hefty contracts with their current teams, black, white, Hispanic or Asian. It’s not so easy to decide to go out and sign a specific player. It depends on who is available.

It just seems like you’re reading a lot into the team’s brief history that just isn’t there. They thought they had some future stars in Dukes and Milledge but that failed miserably. They wanted to build around two young African-American athletes (and Zimmerman) who might have been star players for the better part of a decade.

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by Potomac Fan on Jun 24, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brian Goodwin, ummm, like 10 days ago? Michael Burgess, Destin Hood, Justin Maxwell?

by wittcap79 on Jun 24, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some guys who have been here since Rizzo has been Acting or permanent GM...(sure i can go back further)

Livan Hernandez
Miguel Batista
Cristian Guzman
Roger Bernadina
Willie Harris
Justin Maxwell
Nyjer Morgan
Willy Taveras
Jesus Colome
Shairon Martis
Jorge Sosa
Elijah Dukes
Lastings Milledge
Jorge Padilla
Corey Patterson
Ray King
Odalis Perez
Emilio Bonifacio
Anderson Hernandez
Wily Mo Pena
Alfonso Soriano
Dimitri Young

I am sure there are a few i am missing, sure there are some you can argue ethnicity/culture, but the fact you can make the argument at all should make this a moot point. On the notion of drafting they have drafted a few, signed a few from over-seas, tried to sign others. Such as, Aroldis Chapman. Many in the Minors that have been drafted. If your point is ‘star’ or ‘impact’ players, i am sure the nationals management would take them if they were there and better then the guys they picked. Its a baseball issue as a whole, but the notion that the Nationals as an organization is avoiding any ethnic player just to avoid them is absurd. No one can honestly think if given the chance now the nationals wouldn’t take someone like Prince Fielder?

This isn’t 2005 when the argument might have been valid and not the owners fault. People are letting emotions control too much of their thought process today.

by RepConsul on Jun 24, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moreover, they tried to build their entire team around the trio of Dukes, Zimmerman and Milledge a couple years ago

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by Potomac Fan on Jun 24, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I REALLY wanted Aroldis Chapman...

Reallllllly…

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by Patrick Reddington on Jun 24, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently Michael Morse's mother is Jamaican

Morse appears to be angling his way into becoming one of the cornerstones of the franchise for the next few years. (I’m cautiously optimistic that he’s the real deal. But he is 29 so he may only have a few more peak years left before he slows down a bit.)

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by Potomac Fan on Jun 24, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boswell has weighed in...

story

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by The Herndon Kid on Jun 23, 2011 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Boswell misses it

The difference between being an interim GM and an interim manager (“one-year manger”) is stark.

by ParkShark on Jun 23, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

And of course Boswell has to throw in a StanK reference....

They’re probably on the phone right now spinning stories that are not.Interim or even ones with 5-year contracts do not have to manage day-to-day and try to win the clubhouse.

Jayson Werth is starting to grate on me. Too much talk and not nearly enough production. And color me NOT impressed with all his slides to catch …or not catch… balls hit his way.

by MissB on Jun 23, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please Miss B, no hating on Werth

This man, whether we like it or not, has MUCH to do with the next few years. So we choose to love him… right? I love him. I LOVE THE WEREWERTH!!!

by ParkShark on Jun 23, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is getting hard not to hate notWerthit

But I’ll give him till the end of 2012 before I Vernon Wells the guy.

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by PhDBrian on Jun 24, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

You just put all the white players on a short leash, don’t you!

by wittcap79 on Jun 24, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm finding it difficult too

After yesterday’s events, I’m more upset about his “ideas” comment a couple weeks ago, and a possible indirect shot at Riggleman in the media. Phil Wood said that Werth has been a complainer in general throughout his career, saying that Charlie Manuel was not a good manager and that the Philadelphia hitting coach was not very good either. (Hmm, I kind of remember that team winning at least a few games in recent years.)

Then there’s the fact that he’s still not hitting consistently. Other than the HRs, which have picked up recently, his offensive numbers are very underwhelming, especially for the amount of money he’s getting. He is playing good defense and running the bases well. So maybe he’s just a little prickly. I’d like it a lot more if he could get that batting average up.

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by Potomac Fan on Jun 24, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boswell has never been a fan of Riggleman

In the same chat where he mentioned that picking up the option was the decent thing to do, he also mentioned that Riggleman not only finished with a losing record year after year, but consistently “year after year” his teams underperformed their “pythagorean” win total. And later in the same chat:

The only time I ever left Kasten speachless was when I showed him the lifetime records of every famous manager of the last 30 years versus the “Pythagorean” run-differential formula. All of them won more games than their run differential would have predicted. Not by a lot. Maybe +10 or +15 games. Only a couple were a few games negative. Rigglemnan was a huge outlier __dozens of wins less than you’d predict.

Boswell was not a huge Riggleman fan. I’m closer to his opinion on this than I am to his opinion on Kasten, although I think the resignation is a sad, unfortunate story that does no one in and around the team any real credit.

by d_c_guy on Jun 23, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

the real truth is that both rizzo and riggleman knew that there was going to be a new managernext year. riggleman did a great job with the guys making less than a million. we just needed more production and less talk from the 17 million dollar player.

by fortmyer on Jun 23, 2011 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

'Cat, Bo....Davey...Ray Knight?

Not McLaren. Please. Hell, we’ll find out in the AM.

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by Whupass on Jun 23, 2011 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Who do you guys believe, Riggleman or Rizzo?

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by Brandon C. on Jun 23, 2011 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

FWIW, I think they're both convinced of their own positions

The minute that Rizzo heard “do this or I’m not getting on that plane” it was all over.

It reminds my of that old adage: “where testosterone goes, stupidity is sure to follow.”

by d_c_guy on Jun 23, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and by the way

Hello Barndon – good to see you stopping by my other neighborhood :-)

by d_c_guy on Jun 23, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, sorry I haven’t gotten to answering back everyone, been busy! Thanks for the answers everyone!

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by Brandon C. on Jun 26, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time believing that Rizzo misunderstood an ultimatum for a simple request for a conversation...

Can’t believe he made up the “I’m not getting on the bus,” part that he said Riggleman laid down, but I also agree with Riggleman that he probably wasn’t the Nats’ skipper of the future and they did seem to be stringing him along, though the structure of the contract he signed allowed them to do it.

As per usual the truth lies somewhere between what we’re hearing. The WaPost’s Boswell says that Riggleman had been lobbying writers to argue his cause too, which probably didn’t sit well, and I read a lot of comments recently from local and national writers that I now wonder about knowing he was asking some to argue his cause…

Just an ugly mess, regardless….

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by Patrick Reddington on Jun 23, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like the only solution was the messiest way.

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by Brandon C. on Jun 26, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both?

Riggleman wanted something now, Rizzo wanted it later. The 1st didn’t give the 2nd a choice in the matter with his decision. Riggleman did it to himself, but Rizzo should have been a little more accommodating. They were both wrong, Riggleman should have made his Agent do what he is paid for (apparently trying to do it now, after the fact.) Rizzo should have loosened up and atleast talked a little, but he made a stance on it and stuck with it. Rizzo is a hard-you know what, was pushed into a corner. Rizzo was a little more right, but more stubborn. He is also far more important to the future of this franchise then a decent baseball guy.

I liked Riggleman as the manager, but truthfully he did as much to hurt as he did to help with his decisions. Wasn’t great, wasn’t bad, was average. WAR of 0?

by RepConsul on Jun 23, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry to see you go Riggs

Well I was thinking we had a shot at the Wild card till I heard about Riggs. I am totally behind Riggs. The NAts were Dik’n him around big time. Riggs claimed he asked to talk about the contract many times only to be told not now. That is totally Dickish and I now despise Rizzo as a Richard of royal proportions.

Riggs has been a stand up guy his entire career. he took over a SD team just after a fire sale. Sure thing losing team. Most guys with brains stay away from that job, but Riggs took on the challenge. he took over a real bad Cubs team and got them to the postseason after several seasons.

In my opinion Riggs is a guy who knows how to win and lose. Which is critical in a good manager. He does not cheat like Tony Larussa has for years. And he is going to manage again and be a world series winner with his next team.

Unfortunately for us. Nobody anywhere near as good as Riggs is waiting to take over our team. The lack of managers during a season is bad and the Marlins hired a zombie to prove it.

If Rizzo had any brains he would call Riggs and guarantee him a 5 year deal to come back by morning. But, Rizzo is to dumb to be that smart.

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by PhDBrian on Jun 24, 2011 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

When Rizzo is involved.......

it can’t be good…….

I cannot defend one part of Rigglemans decision. I can remind everyone that these players are not “RIZZOs” players. Outside of Marquis, these guys were here before Rizzo. This team is not 16-6 because of Rizzo. Randy Knorr and this coaching staff made these players.

Rizzo gets to hang his hat on STRAS and Harper……Stevie Wonder draft picks……..I don’t know if it is fair to add RIGGS to the list of Mistakes made by this RIZZO………DIBBLE, Kasten, DUNN……………

by artistfork on Jun 24, 2011 12:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Demonstratably untrue

Ramos is a Rizzo player.
Storen is a Rizzo player.
Nix is a Rizzo player.
Werth is a Rizzo player.
Hairston is a Rizzo player.
HRod is a Rizzo player.
Coffey is a Rizzo player.
Burnett is a Rizzo player.

Where Rizzo is really making his mark, right now, is actually in the minors. Hagerstown (A) and Harrisburg (AA) are doing very well, and by every single assessment I’ve seen the Nationals minor league organization has risen from the bottom of baseball three years ago to right around the middle.
Given what the team went through before with Minaya, MLB and Bowden that’s pretty impressive IMO.

You and I have disagreed before on Dibble, and we’ll continue to do so. While I was for resigning the big guy, I understand the Dunn decision (which is actually looking pretty good right now). It’s impossible for Kasten to be Rizzo’s mistake, because Kasten was Rizzo’s boss.

by d_c_guy on Jun 24, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to pile on, but you could argue that Espinosa's Rizzo's player too since he drafted him...

He also argued for drafting Jordan Zimmermann and won…

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by Patrick Reddington on Jun 24, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

"oversaw drafting him as Scouting Director that is"...

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by Patrick Reddington on Jun 24, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more

You also forgot Morse. Rizzo traded Langerhans for him in 09 and has kept Morse around.

Not to Mention…
—2009 draft, Of course Strasburg was a given! But Drew Storen @ 10 (from bowden failing to sign crow) and some good young talent was Rizzo.
—2010 draft, Of course Harper was a given! But a TON of 1st round talent signed in this draft when other clubs said they were “impossible” signings.
—2011 draft, best yet, Rendon (who many projected as the 1st overall talent) Rizzo could have easily screwed that up. Not keeping Dunn = Alex Meyer and Brian Goodwin, both considered to be top of the draft type of talents, signability or other issues. Again in this draft lots of young 1st round talent picked later in the draft, again everyon is saying they are “unsignable” see what Rizzo does.

And yea he “oversaw”, put together draft boards and then helped do everything since 2006 when he became the Nationals Assistant General Manager, Vice President of Baseball Operations and Director of Scouting operations.

I’d say Rizzo put his mark on this team and can be given full or partial credit for almost everything thats happened in the last 5 years. Are people really going to argue that?

Quit over-valuing the guy that isn’t here anymore and give more credit to the guy who still is!

BTW Riggleman = Rizzo’s hire also. Anyone who thinks he is more then he is should atleast give Rizzo credit for that right?

by RepConsul on Jun 24, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

None of the guys you mention as great drafts have played much in the majors

other than Storen. So that story is still out. For example, Renton is a huge injury risk for a first round signing. But it does appear Rizzo is better than most at drafting. I still do not think that excuses the run around he gave Riggs.

"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James

by PhDBrian on Jun 24, 2011 12:55 AM EDT reply actions  

a) His name in Rendon
b) Please explain what inside medical information you have in order to label him as a HUGE injury risk
c) If B is true, why did every scouting service and the majority of MLB still have him near the top of every draft board?

I still do not think that excuses the run around he gave Riggs.

What? Here is the short short version.

Riggs: We need to talk about my option, or I walk right now.
Rizzo: Well, we aren’t going to talk about it until the season is over.
Riggs: Fine, I resign
Rizzo: Umm, ok.

by wittcap79 on Jun 24, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

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