Washington Nationals' Skipper Jim Riggleman Resigns, D.C. GM Mike Rizzo's Comments, And What Happened Yesterday.
December 2010: It had already become clear that the Washington Nationals were going to allow Adam Dunn to walk as a free agent after the Nats and D.C. GM Mike Rizzo had decided to turn down the offers they had for the big middle-of-the-order bat at the Trade Deadline, and after the season ended without Dunn agreeing to an extension. Dunn would become a free agent, available league-wide for the second time since 2009 when he'd signed for 2-years/$20M dollars with Rizzo's predecessor, then-D.C. GM Jim Bowden. The Nats' Front Office, as Washington Post writer Thomas Boswell told the story in an article entitled, "It's hot stove time, and it's not too early to worry about the Nationals", had completely misread the situation:
"The amateur-hour component of the Nats' decision-making was never more evident than in the Nats' internal view all summer that Dunn would be more likely to sign a contract extension as the season came to an end because he really liked playing in D.C. This naivete stood 30 years of free agent history on its head and left industry insiders howling - with dismay or laughter."
Late June 2011...
FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, in an article on Jim Riggleman's decision to resign yesterday entitled, "Hard to defend Riggleman's choice", writes that there's a lot of blame to go around for the circumstances that resulted in the Nats' Skipper's abrupt resignation. Riggleman was under contract, with an option for 2012 that he thought should be renewed. The Nats wanted to wait until the season was over to fully assess how the team had developed. Riggleman, Mr. Rosenthal writes, "gave Rizzo an ultimatum, leaving the GM no choice but to push back. He effectively committed professional suicide, shocking and disappointing his closest friends in the game."
Rizzo and Riggleman had an odd relationship according to the bow-tied FOXSports.com reporter, who wrote that unlike, "Most GMs," who, "talk with their managers every day...[Rizzo] rarely spoke with Riggleman, according to numerous sources." And the Lerners, Mr. Rosenthal writes, once again misread the situation as the Washington Post's Mr. Boswell contended they had with Adam Dunn:
"Most teams understand that a manager’s authority is compromised when he is in the last year of his contract; the Lerners proceed along their merry way, seemingly ignorant of conventional baseball wisdom."
Is it hard to believe that the Lerners or others in the front office might have misjudged or misread these situations? Not really. Is it hard to believe that D.C. GM Mike Rizzo did? That's a little harder. It's pretty clear from what's been reported since Dunn's departure that he was not a "Rizzo" player, though Rizzo had, in the past, described Dunn as being, "...a prototypical clean up hitter in the lineup that hits 40 HR's and drives in a 100 runs," and a player who was, "a great clubhouse presence," which, he said, "...means a lot to us and our fanbase."
When he wasn't traded the assumption was that the Nats believed that the two 1st Round picks they'd receive in 2011 were of greater value to the organization than what Dunn provided or other teams had offered. Dunn became Type-A free agent and the Nats took a highly-regarded right-hander out of the U of Kentucky, Alex Meyer, and an outfielder, Brian Goodwin, out of UNC and then Miami Dade College, 23rd and 34th overall with the picks they received from Chicago as compensation for Dunn signing with the White Sox.
The Nats' General Manager wanted to get more athletic at first, and after entertaining other options the Nationals settled on Adam LaRoche, who, according to Rizzo, "changed the whole dynamic of that infield," defensively at least, though his shoulder issues severely limited his offensive production and prematurely ended his first season in the nation's capital. Dunn was not a "Rizzo" guy, (or at least not at 4-years/$56M), it's hard to avoid that conclusion in hindsight. So was Riggleman a "Rizzo" guy? As the Nats' GM said this afternoon, "I'm the guy who hired him as the manager of this club, I've supported him through the media personally and in the clubhouse every step of the way, and he certainly, he obviously, didn't take to it and wasn't persuaded by it."
Jim Riggleman was brought back in the final year of two-year deal (2010-11) with a club option for 2012. The Nationals, if they'd wanted to, could have bought Riggleman for just $100,000 at the end of the 2010 season, but instead, after he'd led the Nationals to a 102-135 record in a season-plus on the bench, the Nats decided to bring Riggleman back in 2011, citing the Nats' ten-game improvement in 2010 under Riggleman's guidance, (which tied Washington for the fourth-best jump from '09 to 2010, behind only San Diego (+15 wins), Cincinnati (+13 wins) and Tampa Bay (+12 wins) as the Nationals noted in a press release making the manager's return official.
"I'm very confident in Jim. I made him the interim manager. I made him the full-time manager," Rizzo told CSN Washington/NatsInsider.com's Mark Zuckerman before the 2011 season began in article entitled, "One-on-one with Nats GM Rizzo."
"I've got all the confidence in the world in him that he's the guy who's going to lead us in '11 and beyond," Rizzo said, "He's got my utmost confidence, and he always has."
MLB.com's Bill Ladson asked about the Riggleman's contract status in an February 2011 interview entitled, "Rizzo has good feeling about Nationals", wondering if the Nationals' manager was in a "must-win" situation, back on the bench with an improved roster that was expected to show continued improvement, but just another one-year/($600,000 dollar?) deal:
"Rizzo: You are asking a Jim Riggleman question during the second week of Spring Training?
MLB.com: He is on a one-year deal.
Rizzo: Jim Riggleman is the manager of the ballclub. I have great confidence in him."
In the end, when it boiled over this afternoon, it was the fact that he was on a one-year deal, combined with his impression that discussions about an extension were seemingly being put on hold until some as-yet-undetermined time in the future, that Riggleman cited as the reasons behind his decision. "I think it's just the way that the ballclub wants to do business, and I'll tell you, I've been doing it ten years, and maybe I'll never get another opportunity, but I promise you I'll never do it on a one-year deal again."
"But it's about me, it's about looking in the mirror and feeling like I've got to answer to myself and I was coming to work feeling like in today's world, in major sports, it's not a good environment to work when a manager or head coach in football, basketball, whatever is on a short leash." It was these comments in particular that seem to have bothered the Nats' GM, who told reporters in a post game press conference, "I'm disappointed that this is a distraction, that this is not thinking of the team first, it's not thinking of the team first, it's thinking of personal goals and thinking of personal things first."
In a press release on Riggleman's resignation Rizzo reiterated this point, writing that he was, "...surprised and disappointed, personally, and am even more disappointed for our players and fans. I was always taught that one of the cardinal rules of baseball was that no individual can put his interests before those of the team."
If Jim Riggleman was a "Rizzo" guy, that seems to have changed once he put what Rizzo saw as an ultimatum to the Nats' GM, saying he wanted to know the two could have a conversation about an extension before the team departed for Chicago. "Today's conversation put to me in the way it was put to me, you certainly can't make that decision in a knee-jerk reaction, it's too big of a decision to be put in that position."
"This is more about, feeling it's just not the way you do things when you keep a manager on a one-year deal," Riggleman said. It's bothered him since this past October when Riggleman learned he'd be coming back for 2011 but didn't have his option for 2012 picked up. "I just wanted to have a conversation [about it] when we got to Chicago," Riggleman said yesterday, "And Mike said he's not ready to have that conversation, I respect his decision and so I said, 'I've got to give it up then. If I'm obviously not the person that you all want to go down the road with...and I get that, that's okay, you know, but I love it here and I'll miss it."
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Wow, take a day off from baseball...
And things happen. I’ll have to go over the stories after work this afternoon. Interesting developements.
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by brook on Jun 24, 2011 7:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
so, it was you who was Secret Guardian Angel of Riggles, keeping him the nice, company man that he always was....
The pitcher batting aeyth is geenyus!!!...
by cat daddy3000 on Jun 24, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Pudge.
I think it was Phil Wood (I could be wrong) who mentioned Pudge as a possible replacement for Riggleman. Now I would say that the timing makes the chances of this next to nothing, considering Pudge probably has some more baseball left in the tank, but the idea was intriguing, and at the very least should be explored. After all, the guys already look up to him, and he has been calling games for 20 years.
I would hire Vizquel first
He’s said to project much better as a big league manager some day. Plus I love Omar.
I'm still kind of in shock
I didn’t/don’t think that Riggleman was/is a great manager, but he wasn’t bad either. Still he’ll never work again, and it’s not all that unheard of for a manager to not have a contract lined up the following year. In 2009 Bruce Bochy had no guarantee for 2010, they brought him back and won the World Series, so it’s not unheard of.
Two Really Good Articles:
One, is from Thomas Boswell, Washington Post: “Riggleman proves he wasn’t the man to manage the Nationals”
Second is from Jim Bowden, ESPN: “Plenty of options for Nationals to consider”
Click on each link for a nice read.
"Integrity First, Service Before Self, Excellence In All We Do" - USAF Core Values
This, sort of
I thought the Boswell article was great, especially this part.
In Rizzo, Riggleman couldn’t have found a worse boss to nag about a new deal or one who would respond worse to his lobbying in the media (me included) for help.
Why? Because Rizzo faced the same obstacles when he became GM. Instead of whining about a longer deal, he did such a strong job that the Nats did what was obvious: They gave him a five-year contract. Rizzo replaced Jim Bowden on an interim basis in 2009. Then, the next year, he was on a short leash like Riggleman this year.
Rizzo said ex-president "Stan Kasten told me, ‘Forget the [expletive] contract. Own the job. Just be the [expletive] GM. Prove you’re the guy.’ "
And Rizzo, even though he’d spent his whole life working up the baseball chain to be a GM, swallowed and did it. Talk about playing the wrong card with the wrong guy.
With regards to Bowden, maybe I’m biased, but I don’t think that man has an intelligible thought in his brain.
The part of the Boswell article about Riggleman and Marquis fighting was also good….but yes, the portion that you pulled out, was the best. Boswell’s article also leads you to believe that things were not as merry in the clubhouse as we all thought they were between the players and Riggleman. Remember the part of the story, from a Nats source (player?) who felt any fan could manage the team on the field, but it is what happens after the game that defines a manager? And that Riggleman simply just walked into his office and shut the door after games? Not a good perspective of Riggleman.
I’m also not a Bowden fan, but I thought he did a nice job with his article, and since he was involved in hiring both of them, I thought it was good to get his perspective. His list of candidates was also interesting, even though we already knew of a few of them.
"Integrity First, Service Before Self, Excellence In All We Do" - USAF Core Values
And that Riggleman simply just walked into his office and shut the door after games? Not a good perspective of Riggleman.
Yea but I dunno. Riggleman has managed a LOT of games – I dont think someone gets to that point of managing that many games without learning and having an idea on how to do it relativey right. The W-L record aside for a second – there were lots of articles when Riggleman took over praising how much better than Manny he was. I dont know whether over time there were some issues with some players (as there usually is over a 162 game season) but it wasnt like he was on the hook to be fired anytime soon.
I dont know whether there was an ultimatium but i do find it a bit odd that Rizzo wouldnt even have a meeting with Riggleman (thats his side of the story) to clear the air about going forward. I find that quite telling on Rizzo if thats the case – I mean Rizzo’s job is essentially about managing relationships and if he hadnt yet made a decision on next years option and Riggleman was still in the mix – I feel he would have sat down with Jim and told him to keep going. I cant help but feel that the decision was already made in Rizzo’s mind that they werent going to bring him back next year – and Riggleman (I feel foolishly) called them on it.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
The team was literally falling apart not that long ago, enough that Rizzo had to return from a scouting trip to “put out fires”….I am sure Management did not feel comfortable enough making that decision now. Riggleman didn’t want “just a conversation”…..the guy wanted the option picked up. The FO is not to blame in this scenario.
"Integrity First, Service Before Self, Excellence In All We Do" - USAF Core Values
yea but thats not how Riggleman tells it. I have no doubt that the FO would have waited till the end of the season and probably would have gone through the same long interview process as last time. Im not really apportiong blame either. But I think think its a one sided clear argument as you suggest.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
I get that
But from the sound of things, they’d already had this conversation a couple of times and Riggs was told to wait until the end of the season. If you asked your boss for a raise and he said we’ll discuss it in 6 months, you wouldn’t keep going back to him to ask about the raise now would you. It also sounds like Riggleman was talking to the media and trying to get them on his side as well, a big no-no for managers.
Look, i dont want to defend Riggleman – what he did was pretty foolish.
After lobbying for a stronger commitment from ownership failed to improve Riggleman’s standing, he asked to speak to Rizzo in his office. Riggleman said he merely wanted the promise of a substantive conversation regarding his contract. Rizzo characterized it as more of an ultimatum: Pick up the 2012 option, or I quit.
I think we’re probably all second guessing a little – but I wonder if Rizzo was direct at the start of the season that they would make the decision at the end of the season it might have been a bit better than “when the time is right”.
In any event im just annoyed that this could throw out what has been a great season so far the team, which has made huge strides.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
I just think Riggleman let his emotions overtake his brain...
He had things going right. The teams on the right track…the fan base is excited and the gate’s improvong. Unless he thought this was as good a record as the Nats were going to produce this year why not wait to the end of the season? 80 wins would put him in a very strong position. Hell 75 wins would. I just don’tr get giving an ultimatum like that, especially when following through on the threat is tantamount to career suicide.
Wow
Things finally get headed in the right direction and now this! I like Riggs, you can always Monday morning quarterback anyone, but he always gave you a straight answer. It makes me wonder about the leadership at the top…………
RIggleman may have been right…that management didnt want him. If that was the case, his other alternative could have been to stay and WIN, and force management to keep him; or, WIN and have every club needing a manager ringing your phone after the season is over. He instead quit, and has likely alienated himself from MLB. The timing ultimately proves that he did not have the confidence in himself, or the team, to keep winning. Notice he didn’t pull this stunt when the team was 9 games under .500? He waited till the team was winning, and making progress in the standings. He should have at least waited till the All-Star break to pull this stunt.
"Integrity First, Service Before Self, Excellence In All We Do" - USAF Core Values
I guess I dont see it as a stunt…but I do see Riggleman as a victim of his own pride. He should have played it out (like he asks so many of his players to do). Even if he knew he wasnt going to be brought back and was pained by it – should have played it out and I think was respected enough for the job he did to be given another shot elsewhere if he wanted it. I just cant see that happening now – like so many others have said.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Maybe he doesn't want a shot elsewhere
Maybe he’s just sick of people crapping on him and wants to spend time fishing (or whatever). Maybe he just felt disrespected to the point where he felt the situation had to improve or he couldn’t look at himself in the mirror.
In which case, the decision is perfectly comprehensible.
I wonder the same. I was going to write above that he might have been upset at not having the chance to manage the team next year with Stras and Harper, etc and a real chance at a winner.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Well… don’t worry.
I’m not gonna do
what you think I’m gonna do.
Let me just say…
…as I ease out of the office
I helped build…
I’m sorry, but it’s a fact that
there’s such a thing… as manners.
A way of treating people.
These fish have manners.
In fact, I’m starting a new company
and the fish will come with me.
Call me sentimental,
but the fish are coming with me.
Im starting the lobby for Sandberg to manage the Nats
Terrific player who has spent the time and effort to learn how to manage in the minors. Would be great to steal him away now that the Cubs shunned him last offseason. The comments on the Bowden article are great too – love to see a HOF’er mange the team again.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Best 2nd baseman ive seen...
Maybe he could fill in for Spinner now and then and give him a day off.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
I don't like it
Great players rarely, or actually never to my knowledge, make good managers. Teddy Ballgame was a terrible manager and while Tony Gwynn has had some success in the college ranks, I’m just not sold on great players managing.
Ted Williams did produce the expansion Senators' only winning season, and won the Manager of the Year
And players loved playing for him. In Ball Four, Jim Bouton (who certainly had his issues with management). I’m not saying he was a great manager – as a hitter he didn’t like pitchers very much, on principle – but I certainly don’t think he was terrible.
I think it's a good idea
But I think the only way you distract from this is naming a new manager. If Johnson is named the new manager, I would wait 1 or 2 days and then promote Harper to distract from this.
I find it interesting
that Rizzo and Riggleman presented two different recollections of the ultimatum. According to Riggleman, he essentially wanted to talk about the option or else. According to Rizzo, Riggleman wanted to have the option exercised then, or else. Communications issue? If so, maybe it was time for Riggs to leave regardless, if he and Rizzo were on such terms that they couldn’t communicate clearly with one another. (It also shows Rigg’s problems with strategy, but that’s another story.)
I can admire Riggleman for sticking to his principles, but not for his timing or decisionmaking. I don’t see this doing the team any good on the field.
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, but isn't a cucumber that small called a gherkin?"
How to tell
if Rizzo is dropping your contract at the end of the seaon: He refuses to talk to you.
How to tell if Rizzo totally supports you and is going to pick you up at the end of the season: He refuses to talk to you.
by dstanley1994 on Jun 24, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
A short review of Riggs
1) he took over a team in 2009 that was 59-102 in 2008 and 26-61 in 2009. The team then went 33-42 in the 2nd half of 2009. Math-wise that was an +11 game improvement in 1/2 a season over where the team was headed.
2) 2010: team went 69-93, which compared to the first 87 games of 2009 was +21 games better, and compared to all of 2009 (including his own management) was +10 games better
3) 2011: after LOSING Adam Dunn (WAR 3.6), trading Josh Willingham (WAR 1.7) for a pitcher with .6 WAR) and losing Zimmerman (5.3 WAR), the team is above .500. This year, they should by rights be at 29-46, not 38-37, or a gain of +9 in 1/2 a season.
In 3 years he has done this while making the lowest or one of the lowest salaries for a major league manager and all he wanted was his option for the same pitiful salary to be picked up.
GM’s looking for a good manager will pick him up. As for the Nationals, no decent manager will work with this Rizzo unless he coughs up $3MM / year with a 4-5 year deal.
People need to recognize this.
The team was better in 2009 after Riggleman took over
And it further improved in 2010. How much of that was Riggleman, and how much of that was a roster built by Rizzo? And how much of the improvement this season was Riggleman, and how much was Rizzo continuing to improve the team?
Riggleman’s career record is taking teams that are bad and consistently underperforming even that level. Coming into this season he had the worst “pythagorean” number (-29, i.e., his teams lost 29 more games than you would expect based on the number of runs they score and allow) of just about any manager in baseball history. His record in one run games and extra inning games, even after this hot streak, is well below .500. Maybe he had turned a corner this season – the Nationals are actually pretty close to where they should be – +10 on runs scored and two games over .500. Now, I’d probably pick up the option and mentally reserve the right to fire him anyway depending on how the rest of the season goes. But I don’t blame Rizzo for wanting to wait and see, at least until the ASB if not the end of the season, before doing so. And once Riggleman decided to force the issue, any remaining doubt was answered.
You don’t quit on your team when you don’t get your way. LOTS of managers, some with World Series rings on their fingers, are managing without a contract for next year. His team moves into contention and he takes his binder and goes home? Good luck landing a job after that.I wish Riggleman well in his retirement, and hope that he will find an enjoyable way to spend his time. Because I doubt.he will have a meaningful job in baseball again. Which may well be fine with him at this point.

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