2013 Rotation
by WillyMoPain-ya on Jun 8, 2011 2:09 PM EDT
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PrintBuster Olney so optimistically posted his dream 2013 opening day Nationals lineup. He had Rendon at 2nd, Desmond on the bench, Bryce Harper batting second in right, three question marks in center, and Prince Fielder at first. That article is worth another post all together, but I'd like to look at the rotation.
That lineup (with or without Fielder) would be pretty damn good. I mean, Ramos and Espinosa batting seventh and eight, c'mon. The rotation will be what determines the Nats' contention in 2013. Here's what I'm thinking:
1. Liva... I mean, Stephen Strasburg
3. Alex Meyer / Sammy Solis
4. Brad Peacock / A.J. Cole
5. Ross Detwiler / Cameron Selik / Maya
I've read that with Meyer's command issues, he may be destined to be a set-up man or closer. Think Joba Chamberlain. Hopefully not. Peacock is embarrassing AA right now, but he's a two-pitch pitcher. He needs secondary pitches to be successful in the majors. The organization loves Detwiler, but he's playing himself out of the rotation in AAA right now. Selik showed great potential with Hagerstown but has imploded in Potomac. There are serious questions with the back-end, not to mention the lack of experience, but the rotation might be loaded with young, homegrown talent. Quite the contrast to years previous. What are your thoughts?
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Nice #1 and #2 in the rotation
Let’s not overlook free agent signings. If the Nats can put together that type of team for 2013 you’ve gotta think they’ll splurge for some type of #3-type pitcher, which makes that rotation look really, really good. I’d slide a “Miscellaneous Free Agent Vet” marker into that number three slot.
Zack Greinke?
"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."
-Leslie Nielsen, Airplane
Robbie Ray?
This kid has been tearin it up in the minors… 0.30 era 30.0 IP 0.67 WHIP… only 12 hits for low-A Hagerstown
by Greenterp on Jun 8, 2011 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Also Tom Milone
Has moved into solid back-of-the-rotation contender for me – potentially a better version of John Lannan. Even though he’s only 3-4 at Syracuse, his WHIP is actually down to just over 1.00, and his K/BB ratio is 17! And he’s 10 starts into the season, so they’re solid numbers.
I notice that you are including Meyer, but not Purke. Is that because of signability concerns? His upside is probably higher than Meyer.
And speaking of Meyers ... Brad Meyers?
Alex Meyers isn’t the only Meyers in the organization. Despite his foot injury that cost him most of 2010, he was good enough to rank #15 on Sickel’s list of National’s prospects coming into 2011. He has worked his way up to AAA this year and has been good, though not great.
Believe there will be a FA in there somewhere:
1. Strasburg
2. Zimmermann
3. Peacock
4. Meyer
5. FA
by mwyche on Jun 8, 2011 8:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You know this team can't quit Livan.
Maybe he’ll be #5 instead of #1, but he’ll be there—oh yes. (If for no other reason than the LOL-tastic spectacle of a team having to face Livo and Stras back-to-back.)
"I don't believe in luck, but it was just one of those things where it wasn't really skill, either." --Jerry, jr.
I think Ray would more likely come up in 2014
He would only be 20 I think in 2013. Might not be ready, but he has been filthy so far.
"I was a victim of a series of accidents. As are we all."
---Malachi Constant
agreed, him and Cole are looking more like 2014 or 2015 options
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by Steve Shoup on Jun 10, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
What I expect
Is to see a shakedown on Brad Peacock. I almost expect that if he doesn’t develop another pitch, that he gets Clippard’d to the pen and be quite successful. Meyers could be a strong starter, as well as Solis, Cole, Selik, and the name I think should easily be on the list, Purke.
If Purke signs, he has power pitcher lefty stuff, easily a number 2 or 3 guy. Solis could also be that guy as well, but generally throws “slightly” slower, but velocity isn’t everything. I expect to see both of those guys in the rotation and the likes of Detwiler brought to the pen ala Ballestar.
Name a number between three and five.
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Threeve.
He is slowly starting
To regain my confidence in actually being a big league starter again. If he continues pitching the way he has like in his last two outings, he might have just had a rough May.
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Threeve.
Plus, maybe they were screwing with his mechanics or something.
Remember how Drew stunk up ST while he was sorting out whether to do leg kick or slide step?
"I don't believe in luck, but it was just one of those things where it wasn't really skill, either." --Jerry, jr.
He scared the hell out of us in the spring
and he has been filthy lately
Aim for the head baby Jesus
So I suppose
the Nats won’t be resigning Jason Marquis after his numbers take a nose dive post all-star break?
Founder, President, Treasurer, and only known resident of Radford University's Natstown colony.
Trade him
While they can.
Name a number between three and five.
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Threeve.
I'd also add Matt Purke to the mix
I don’t know if he is such the longshot to sign that some people are making him out to be. If he spends next year getting healthy it could be conceivable he is ready by June 2013. In reality we might need another year of guys like Lannan, Gorzelanny etc. rounding out our rotation as the young guys like Meyer, Solis and Purke might not be ready.
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My question about Purke is whether they can sign him
The rumor is that he was offered $4 million to sign out of HS but wasn’t willing to go below $4.7 million. He tore it up his freshman year, but then had the bursitis issues this season. If the Nats don’t go in for first round money, he can always go back to school with a shot to pitch himself into the top 10 next year.
Of course, he also has to think about the fact that he got hurt last year, there are no guarantees, and he might want to take the money and run. But at his age it’s hard not to feel indestructible, especially with the talent he’s already shown when healthy.
If the Nats just say the heck with it and match the $4 million or so that Purke was offered two years ago – and Purke signs – the Nationals will own the bonus record for the 1st, 3rd and 4th rounds. It would take the concept of “over slot” and blow it out of the water, which would not be so popular with others around baseball.
Who cares?
If we sign elite prospects in over slot positions with big money then we spend big money on good guys who deserve big money. I know it sounds very Yankees, Red-Sox, Phillies-ish but by showing the benjamins to players with talent to persuade them to come here might not be morally right, but it will build the team. The Lerner’s have stupid amounts of money anyway and own the #2 most profitable team last year in MLB. I like the chances of spending big on FA and especially in the draft because if these guys pan out, we have good talent locked up for some time. I like to call this accelerated team building.
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Threeve.
I agree - I'm on your side here
I’m happy to spend other people’s money for my entertainment. And if they weren’t willing to ante up to sign him they wouldn’t have drafted him there. But it’s also up to Purke for how much it takes to lure him away from college.
They have some leverage with the rumors of hard slotting for draft picks next year in the new CBA
"I don't believe in luck, but it was just one of those things where it wasn't really skill, either." --Jerry, jr.
I doubt it
the MLB owners have the least leverage of any major sports league and they are against by far the strongest union.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
Agreed - but
Expansion of the draft internationally and capping draft pick money is something that the player’s union may give up to get something else – it doesn’t cost the current players anything, and they may be tired of Harper, Strasburg and Chapman getting more money than many established ML players.
Better pension/health care
Also I’ve read some rumblings that both sides are unhappy with the arbitration process, so there may be some formula for doing away with one or both years of arbitration and splitting the exclusive rights/free agency formula somehow. But it’s all speculation at this point.
If Meyer and Purke both get signed..
1. Strasburg
2. Zimmermann
3. Purke
4. A. Meyer
5. Ray
Leaves Detwiler(LR), Milone, B. Meyers, Peacock, Solis, Cole..
I’m sure I’m missing someone
There are a lot of candidates
Which is good, because many will not ultimately pan out. That’s why Rizzo has been stockpiling arms – the attrition rate from draft to rotation is pretty high.
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