Washington Nationals Acquire Jonny Gomes From Cincinnati Reds For OF/1B Bill Rhinehart And LHP Chris Manno.
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2011 7:47 PM EDT
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The Washington Nationals announced just before the start of tonight's game that they had acquired right-handed hitting Cincinnati Reds' outfielder Jonny Gomes, 30, in a deal that sends 26-year-old OF/1B Bill Rhinehart and 22-year-old left-hander Chris Manno to the Reds.
Rhinehart, is an '07 11th Round pick who has 17 doubles and 21 HR's with a .283/.376/.587 slash in 89 games this season at Double-A Harrisburg and a .261/.331/.458 career slash in the Nats' system. 22-year-old left-hander Chris Manno is a 6'3'' left-handed reliever out of Brooklyn, NY, who saved 12 games and struck out 69 in 43.1 IP this season, who was drafted by the Nats twice and signed the second time around in 2010.
Gomes, a 9-year MLB vet, is hitting .211 with eight doubles, 11 HR's, a .336 OBP and .399 SLG in 77 games and 265 at bats in 2011, his third season in Cincinnati, where he signed as a free agent in 2009 after six seasons with the Tampa Bay Rays that drafted him in the 18th Round of the '01 Draft.
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This kind of sounds like we just traded for a "Rick Ankiel" with a tad more power
Doesn’t exactly get my juices flowing… hope someone convinces me otherwise
Rizzo seems to like mediocre outfielders
Really not impressed with Rizzo. He accumulates the same sort of nothing special players. Gomes is a bit better than ainkel, who I think shouldn’t even be on a major league roster. If it weren’t for the nats sad record in the past several years, Rizzo wouldn’t have been able to draft strasburg and Harper— no brainers. When it comes to filling the roster with major leaguers, he gives us the $126 million bust of Jason Werth, and retreads like Rick Ainkel and Todd Coffey but not much else. Really like baseball in DC, just wish it were better and we had a GM with some gonads
At least Coffey is getting some trade looks so its possible to get a return on investment with him, but you’re right with Ankiel.
by RossingtonCollins on Jul 26, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Ankiel, but I don't want to see two of them
Ankiel has some tools… plays hard, good defensively, nice arm, decent baserunner. Just can’t hit worth a damn, except in small flashes here and there
Have you seen who else he has drafted?
As well as the no/low risk signings and trades that have worked out for us? You need to look more in depth into what Rizzo has done, and also understand that a poor first half of one season can’t determine whether a player is a bust, especially when there is a great body of work behind that player.
Skins rule
Great body of Work?
Clearly you do not mean Johnny Gomes! He is the single worst defensive OF according to fangraphs. Worse than DUNN was in lf. He career hitting numbers against righthanders is below average for his position despite playing his entire career in major hitters parks. Basically his only value is as a platoon DH against lefthanded pitching (he does destroy lefthanders), but that is it. Why anyone would trade for is beyond me?
Rizzo has been outright dreadful this summer. I am beginning to hope he gets fired soon, as our our chances of going deep in the postseason in 2013 are getting weaker by the day.
Provided i have not miscounted, we are 9-16 since Davey Johnson was hired! Our easiest schedule of the year is/was JULY based on our opponents 2010 winning percentage.
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
You sir, are not a very smart individual.
Part of Pech's Posse since 2007.
by OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy on Jul 26, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Rizzo has done a phenomenal job
These moves like Jonny Gomes are nothing, they will not fit into the future at all. Rizzo has built this core of young prospects that will carry us to a higher place. These short-term veteran moves don’t matter at all, we’re not going to win anything this year anyway. You basing your opinion of Rizzo off small-potatoes moves like this is ridiculous
Part of Pech's Posse since 2007.
by OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy on Jul 26, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone on earth would have signed
Strassburg, and Harper given the choice and a skys the limit budget. Not one ounce of skill involved in those deals. Took the balls of a unick to draft strassburg given the approval of the money to sign him.
Where Rizzo shows his talent is in the Staris, Gomes, Ankiel, Werth, and trading Morgan deals, as well as his handling of his employees like Riggs. Across the board his other deals have to be regarded as dreadful. Our bench is awful. Werth is probably the most overpaid player in the NL if not baseball as a whole. Only Cora and NIX are decent off the bench. Hairston is fun to watch, but frankly not very good. Signing stairs was awful. Not firering stairs on May 1st was worse. And each day he remains on he roster is even worse.
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
Wilson Ramos says hello
A.J. Cole, Sammy Solis and Robbie Ray also say hi.
A farm system that has moved from the bottom of the league to the middle of the league is not solely because of Harper – and Strasburg doesn’t count any more.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like the Gomes deal much. I understand it to a certain extent; Rhinehart was blocked six ways from Sunday, so he wasn’t going anywhere as a Nat, and if the Nats can get a Type B pick in return for Gomes it’s like a reset of that spot in the organization to a player at a need position. The reason that I don’t like the move is[because of the inclusion of Manno, who has (some) potential to be a LOOGY down the road – a position the Nats have struggled to fill.
But to say that Rizzo is a lousy GM is just as hyperbolic as saying that he is a great one. And to get personally insulting along the way doesn’t help anyone take your argument seriously.
I'll give him Ramos, that was a good sign.
But he is blocking Norris
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
but he made that move last year when he was better than this year
Most of my issues are over this year
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
Nats were .500 at the all star break
10 games/year improvement is nothing to sneeze at. And that’s without the “no-brainer” picks of Strasburg and Harper contributing.
Ramos>Norris
Part of Pech's Posse since 2007.
by OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy on Jul 26, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Norris is still in AA
He’s not being blocked.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
by Doncosmic on Jul 26, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I believe Horcasitas4 was referring to Werth, not Gomes
since Werth was the one you called a “bust.”
Sigh
Another low .200’s hitter… It’s not like Eckstein is going to fix him.
by UsualLine on Jul 26, 2011 9:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Why?
This serves no purpose. If either of those guys contributes anything in the show it’s a pretty bad deal
I HAVE to think either he (Gomes) or Ankiel (Or Stares but I'd seriously doubt it)
is already part of an almost-done deal.
Otherwise, I don’t see much of a point
Why wouldn't he accept arbitration?
platoon players like Gomes aren’t going to get multi-year offers for any amount of money. I believe arbitration almost always offers a raise, so he would be very likely to just accept.
They also must not believe in that career 14.4K/9 of Manno. I know he’s a little old for his league but those numbers are hard to look past.
The reward doesn’t outweigh the risk to me.
They may be OK with him accepting arbitration, too
Then they get a year of him as a placeholder, maybe with Nix, maybe on his own, while waiting for Harper to get called up. He’s not going to be so expensive that it’s a problem.
I am hoping this leads to the long awaited DFA for Stares
And I am betting that Nix is going out the door soon.
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by The Herndon Kid on Jul 26, 2011 9:32 PM EDT reply actions
Need to move 2 man off the 25 man roster
Need to move 2 man off the 25 man roster, one for Jonny Gomes. And another for Chien-Ming Wang. Matt Stairs should be one. Who is the other?
There's one open spot at the moment
So they only have to move one player.
there's a spot on the 40-man, but not the 25-man.
Detwiler will be sent down and Gorzy to the pen unless they trade a starter between now and Friday to make room for CMW.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Jul 27, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't think people are looking at this right...
Gomes = bats Righty, also listed as a B prospect, so if he doesn’t resign, draft pick? Prob. will be resign as a bench/platoon bat. Righty, but hits lefties well and has decent power.
Nix = Lefty
Ankiel = Lefty
Bernadina = Lefty
Harper = Lefty (hitter)
Werth = Righty
Even Cora and Stairs (cut him please) are Lefties … need OF/bench Righties…
sure but we gave up two prospects who were putting up great numbers in the minors.
Not descent but great numbers. read this:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/nationals-acquire-jonny-gomes/
the only fault for both of those guys is that they were considered old for the level they were playing. 22 is old for rookie ball and 26 is old for AA.
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
Preface: I don't like this move
But Rhinehart was blocked by Moore and Marrerro as well as by Morse, LaRoche and the possibility of signing a FA 1st baseman – in addition to being “old for his level.” To me, Manno may be the more significant loss here; it’s not like the Nationals have a lot of lefties waiting in the wings.
ok by why for Gomes? Throw them in a deal for a decent CF
"What you know is often the enemy of what you can learn" Bill James
It's quite possible that no decent CF was on the table for a reasonable price that included those players
No GM can just make a deal happen.
Gomes will platoon LF with Nix
They make quite a good hitting platoon with each one specializing against righties or lefties. They are just a stop gap until Harper comes up next year. We’ll probably be making a deal in the off season for a CFer as Rizzo determined we couldn’t get a good deal right now and we really don’t need to force a deal at this moment.
LF platoon for 2 months
Next year Michael Morse move back to LF.
I wouldn't say that is certain
LaRoche has to show that he can actually do something productive, and I don’t think that Nats will jeopardize Morse with a change of scenery back to LF where he didn’t produce. It’s not like Morse is a liability defensively at 1B, he is very good and will only get better the more he plays there.
Though the $8 million next year to LaRoche could make management want to get something out of LaRoche and force Morse back to LF, just so LaRoche isn’t a complete money pit.
No.
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Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jul 26, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Gomes?..........GOMES!?!........I never DREAMED we'd get Gomes....
I’ve never dreamed, because I’ve never really heard of the guy……
I think this is more of a “maybe this’ll shut Johnson up” move than anything else.
"Let’s ask Witch Doghouse for some charms for the trend to continue!" by jbg2772 on Jul 21, 2011
He DH'd for Cincy during interleague play.
And just this past Saturday, the Reds actually gave out a bobblehead crafted in his image!
Past bobbleheads are no guarantee of future performance.
But we can hope that future bobbleheads are (since Werth’s is coming up).
"I don't believe in luck, but it was just one of those things where it wasn't really skill, either." --Jerry, jr.
Quite so.
The market for the Gomes bobblehead in Cincy musta crashed yesterday.
by Elvin Unseld on Jul 27, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Gomes..............
is hitting .211…………fits right in with this bunch.
Sammy Solis proves Rizzo is’nt a lousy GM?………..Is he pitching in the NY series?
STOP WITH THE MOVING MORSE BACK TO LF!!!!!!!!!…….. How bout we Move LAFRaud back to Arizona.
I actually beleive this trade opens up the door For BERNIE to be added to a block buster involving Upton or Bourn.
I'd hate that
Bernie is a pretty valuable 4th guy. Out of all of the “4th guys” we have, I’d hate to lose him the most
Bernies............
Days in Left are over as long as NIX is on the roster…………….
Bernie's bat is OK for a CF, not for a corner OF
This really puts Stairs on the firing line, IMHO, just like the addition of Wang means that Dewiler is going back to Syracuse.
Gorzo needs to be out of here by the trading deadline..........
Thats what we need………….Last place 4 days left till august and “lets send Detwiller back to AAA we’ve got years and years to see if he can pitch”………………..
I think Bernadina will still get a number of starts there
as long as Nix’ Achilles heel is still bothering him. Doesn’t seem that’s going to heal anytime this year, so there are going to be days when Nix simply can’t play.
It’s a shame the Cardinals wanted impact for this season that the Nats couldn’t offer. I would have loved to see Rasmus here.
He would have been my choice of the names bandied about
Toronto, however, came up with a package the Cardinals liked better.
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, but isn't a cucumber that small called a gherkin?"
But would Rasmus have insisted on hitting instruction from his dad, rather than Eckstein?
And would have all of the other Nationals also have chosen Rasmus’ father too?
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