Washington Nationals: Thursday Trade Deadline Rumor Roundup.
Jayson Werth told reporters after the Nationals dropped their fifth-straight game overall and third straight to Florida to start the nine-game homestand at Nats Park, that all the trade deadline chatter might be getting to the Nationals. With Thursday's loss, the team is now 9-17 since Davey Johnson took over following Jim Riggleman's resignation, and they've lost eleven of their last fifteen to fall six games under .500 for the first time since June 12th. With a 49-55 record overall heading into the weekend series with the New York Mets and the Non-Waiver Trade Deadline on Sunday, several Nationals' names have been mentioned in rumors which Werth said, as quoted in an article by the Washington Times' Amanda Comak entitled, "With trade chatter rampant, the Nationals try to find their way back to winning", could be part of the problem...
"'A lot of these guys are young. They haven't been through this. It's not tough to turn on your computer and find your name somewhere these days. Maybe that's part of it. I went through it last year at the trade deadline. It is hard to play when that stuff's out there.'"
Nats' closer Drew Storen, whose name has been linked to chatter out of Minnesota revolving around Twins' center fielder Denard Span, told MLB.com's Bill Ladson yesterday, in an article entitled, "Storen hopes to remain with Nationals", that he heard the rumors, but would prefer to remain in the nation's capital. "'It is a compliment," for other teams to have interest Storen told the Nats MLB beat writer, "'... but [trade rumors are] part of the business,' Storen said."
Former Nats' GM Jim Bowden (@JimBowdenESPNxm) and FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) singled Storen out yesterday when they sent a message out via Twitter which read, "Sources: #Nationals continuing to target #Twins' Span. Nats' Storen may be in play," as Mr. Rosenthal reported and, "Nats-Twins working hard on multi-player deal involving Storen and Span and others," as Mr. Bowden wrote.
Late this afternoon, the bow-tied FOXSports.com reporter followed up with a note that explained that the Nats preferred Denard Span over other repeatedly-mentioned center fielders/leadoff men because the 26-year-old outfielder, who signed a 5-year/$16.5M dollar deal with Minnesota last year is, "Under club control through 2015," while the, "Rays' Upton, Astros' Bourn are free after '12.
The only other rumor floating around right now involving the Nats is already a day old with no updates since. ESPN.com's Jayson Stark wrote yesterday, in an article entitled, "Daily Rumble: Trade Ubaldo Jimenez?", that several teams were in talks with Colorado to see if they were actually going to trade the 27-year-old right-hander Ubaldo Jimenez, and an, "executive of one club involved in these talks says he was told that two National League teams," who hadn't been identified, were interested, with, "Other clubs... conjecturing that one of them almost certainly is Washington."
The price for Jimenez, of course, is likely to be prohibitive with ESPN.com's Mr. Stark noting in the article that one club told him Colorado wants, "'... three or four really good young players.' And one of them has to be a high-end pitcher who can be plugged into the Rockies' rotation by the middle of next season." One only has to point to the rumored package D.C. GM Mike Rizzo was reportedly willing to part with to acquire Zack Greinke, however, to know that the Nats' general manager is willing to deal if there's an ace on the market.
As for one of the Nats' own pitchers, Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore (@AdamKilgoreWP) noted on Twitter tonight that, "'A scout today said that while Jason Marquis is 'out there,' the #Nats may have to wait until August to deal him. 'He'll clear waivers.'" Marquis, Storen, Tyler Clippard, Todd Coffey, Ian Desmond, Livan Hernandez, Pudge Rodriguez? Those Nationals and others have been mentioned in rumors leading up to this Sunday's Non-Waiver Deadline. Three days left until the rumors stop. Then the Nationals will start driving in runners in scoring position, right?
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The Nats better get a lot more than Span if they trade Storen. If Storen does get traded, I’ll lose confidence in Mike Rizzo considerably. After seeing Jonny Gomes first-pitch hacking with the bases juiced (1 out, pitcher struggling with command) and rolling into a DP, I already have. I haven’t yelled so loud at a television in a while when I watched that garbage at-bat.
My confidence in Rizzo will be a big fat ZERO if he trades Storen, unless he gets a sparkling package in return. Don’t go trading one of the brighest young closers in the game, even if does get you a CF under control until 2015. The deal better get you a heck of a lot more than some guy named Span.
Man, I hate trade deadline speculation! I’ll be a lot happier when it passes and all this speculation was just that – speculation.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 28, 2011 8:15 PM EDT reply actions
Let's try to be a little more open minded here
First of all, if it’s Storen for Span straight up, that would be a steal for the Nats. It doesn’t matter how much fans like him or how promising he is, closers just aren’t as valuable as position players. Over his first two seasons, during which everyone has fallen in love with him, Storen has a career WAR of 1.3. During that time period Span has accumulated a 5.2 WAR while missing a large amount of time with a concussion. Not saying that Span is that much better than Storen or anything, I’m just saying that a good leadoffman gets you more wins than a good closer. Also, bullpen guys come and go and alot can more can go wrong with a closer than a center fielder.
Regarding Gomes, thats what you’re going to get. He’s aggressive and thats not going to change. You’ll want to kill him for swinging at balls out of the zone but generally when the pitcher hangs em, he’ll bang em
Whats the frequency, Kenneth?
by ZimforPrez on Jul 28, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. Relievers can be found much more easily than players like Span.
Also, most closers burn out within 5 years unless their last name is Rivera. Saying Storen is untradeable is really short sighted. On the 25 man roster right now, Zimmerman, Zimmermann, Spinner, and Ramos should be the only untradeable players.
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by The Herndon Kid on Jul 28, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly have to agree. I would really hate to see Drew go, but....MOAR Offenza needed!
However, Span worries me since he’s currently on the DL for a concussion. Look how long it took Morneau to recover from his concussion problems…pretty much all year and some of this year.
Oh...and Span has been on the 15-day DL since JUNE 9...
that’s a lot more than 15 days on my calendar. Worrisome.
I was happy to see the rumor I heard was right that Baddour was resigning today.
The one silver lining in this is that he is not hiring the next coach.
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by The Herndon Kid on Jul 28, 2011 10:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
One rumor is that he was the one holding out on the Butch Davis firing...
So obviously Baddour had to go. This should have happened at least 6 months ago…probably more.
I HATE having Carolina’s name dragged through the mud in the same breath as Tressel and Auburn. Really stings. My 87-year old aunt and I commiserated together tonight.
It's not a rumor. He was told fire Butch or resign, so he resigned.
I can’t say I am sad Baddour is gone. He has not done a good job. The only thing that went well on his watch was Dean Smith convincing Roy to take the job in 2003. And Baddour had nothing to do with that.
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by The Herndon Kid on Jul 29, 2011 6:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
how dare you!?!?
how dare you use reason as a counter point to my diatribe good sir!? :D
I just don’t want to see Storen go so soon is likely my problem. As for Gomes, I don’t care how aggressive someone is, you don’t first pitch hack with the bases loaded and the pitcher on the hill struggling with control. Then again, I’m not the one hitting .20x on the season.
I probably won’t lose any confidence in Rizzo if he trades Storen, but I will be a bit upset. Can’t the Twinkies just settle on Desi and Clippard instead?
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 28, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It's also relevant to note, just for comparison's sake,
that there are exactly five relievers who have amassed 3.0+ bWAR since last, year. The most in that period is currently Joakim Soria, w/3.7. Take that for what you will.
Rob
-- In baseball we trust.
Concussions worry me
They can be career enders if ppl arent careful…otherwise id do this deal in a flash. If he has been out for a long time then its even more worrying – footballers (both US and here) have been showing some serious issues with concussion – and while baseball isnt a contact sport, if a doctor indicated that more repeated concussions could lead to serious brain damage, Id balk on someone who is showing post concussion syndrome.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Does 45 days and counting worry you?
And hey, Mezza…haven’t seen you around nearly enough. Hope life is treating you well.
im here everyday :)
Just not a lot of time for comment. Life’s good MissB :) If not for the recent team performances. Have to run but will touch base soon!
45 days is real worry. We had a famous footballer recently retire due to concussion (always had headaches, ringing in ears, etc). Aged about 25. Scary.
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Trade rumors = RISP FAIL
Less rumerz, moar ribbeez! Three days to go…
"I don't believe in luck, but it was just one of those things where it wasn't really skill, either." --Jerry, jr.
New trade rumor: no one wants any of the Nats players!
NOW, TEAM, GET BACK TO WORK.
And stop with the RISP FAIL!
Soon to Be FA
The team needs to trade older player that are going to be free agents next season that can be replaced. Most of what I read is about them trade young guys for old ones. A getting a good player that is getting traded to dump for salary is good, but don’t give away the farm. The guy should be under team control for a couple of years.
What is going on with Jason Marquis, Livan Hernandez, Todd Coffey, Jerry Hairston, ..etc? Pudge Rodriguez is on the DL, guess he can’t get traded?
Only one who's gotten a mention is Marquis as noted above...
And Ladson’s since said that the Tigers are interested in him. No word on what the Nats would receive in return.
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by Patrick Reddington on Jul 28, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Andy Oliver
would be nice, but I doubt it would happen.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 28, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we'd be happy with any return for Marquis wouldnt we?
At the end of the day he’s not going to be a type B – so we might as well get what we can before he leaves at the end of the season.
Probably similar boat with Livan, Coffey and Pudge. Not sure about Hairston…
Ian Desmond is my hero!
Pudge a B? I'm not sure his slash lines reach that
2010: .266/.294/.347 → .641
2011: .214/.276/.325 → .600
weighted more heavily toward 2011; he’s also playing much less even before the DL.
However, I could (once again) be wrong.
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