Prince Fielder Meeting With Senat...Texas Rangers, Will Washington Nationals And Fielder Meet Again?
USA Today baseball writer Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) just sent the following tweet out into the world, pressing pause on all the talk about which team is the frontrunner for Prince Fielder until there's a follow-up report: "Breaking: The Texas #Rangers are meeting today with Prince Fielder at Dallas-area hotel. Stay tuned..." In the article that followed his tweet entitled, "Prince Fielder meets Friday with Texas Rangers about deal", USA Today's Mr. Nightengale reported that Fielder and Rangers' GM Jon Daniels were spotted together in a Dallas-area hotel's lobby.
CBSSports.com's Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) wrote, in response to Mr. Nightengale's report, that Fielder and Boras were embarking on a second tour of interested MLB teams, "... hes going to travel to see several teams the next few days," so, as Mr. Heyman wrote in another tweet, "Prince in Texas today (as @BNightengale said). But dont read [too] much into it. Even if they [are] a 'finalist,' they are [one] of many."
The prevailing wisdom in recent days, had the Rangers on the periphery of the Fielder chatter as they waited to see how the discussions with Yu Darvish worked out...
Reports yesterday out of Texas quoting Rangers president Nolan Ryan said that the team was optimistic about the chances of agreeing on a deal with Darvish. ESPNDallas.com's Richard Durrett quoted the Hall of Fame pitcher saying, "'My expectation is that we'll get something done.'" Will the Rangers then try to match their AL West rivals in Anaheim by adding Fielder like the Angels added C.J. Wilson and Albert Pujols? The Rangers signed Joe Nathan? Will the Angels have to sign a closer?
Before Mr. Nightengale's report, FOXSports.com's Jon Morosi, in an article entitled, " Rough offseason — so far — for Boras", was speculating that if super agent Scott Boras wants to, "... remain the undisputed Hot Stove heavyweight champion, his next move needs to get a huge payday for Fielder," which might be difficult since the "right" teams weren't in the market for the 27-year-old, 5'11'', 275 lb slugging first baseman. "The Washington Nationals are showing interest, and many in the industry believe Fielder will sign there," Mr. Morosi wrote but, "After that, the list consists of one 'maybe' after another."
The Rangers, "...continue to downplay their chances of signing both Darvish and Fielder," Mr. Morosi noted, the Blue Jays won't go long-term, the O's and M's are still building and not ready to contend. There didn't seem to be too many options out there until this afternoon's report made everyone wonder if the Rangers might be willing to spend BIG this winter. ESPN.com's Jayson Stark wrote today in his "Rumblings and Grumblings" column that though, "The Nationals continue to downplay their interest in Prince Fielder... one executive who speaks regularly with the Nationals brass is so sure that Washington will be Fielder's eventual destination," that he wakes up each day expecting to read about a deal that brings Prince to D.C.
The executive who spoke to ESPN.com's Mr. Stark told him, "... the Nationals would envision a deal of no more than six years. And even then, they would want some sort of protection," like an opt out or the ability to trade the slugger which is similar to the sort of deal Mr. Stark's colleague ESPN.com's Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) just tweeted might eventually land Fielder:
"@Buster_ESPN: One exec today believes WAS, TEX, CHC may ultimately get this Fielder contract structure: 6 years, opt-out after 3 years, 22-24m a year."
SI.com's Tom Verducci too pointed to the Nationals as a likely destination for Fielder this morning in a section of his Three Strikes column subtitled, "A Prince in Washington?", in which he cited the expected increase in revenue from the Nationals tv deal, Scott Boras' relationship with the Nats owners and their need to forge an identity in the nation's capital as the reasons he thinks Fielder will end up in Washington. Washington Post writer Thomas Boswell, in an article entitled, "Prince Fielder deal could cement Nationals-Scott Boras marriage, for better or worse", suggested this morning that if the Nats added the free agent first baseman, with all the players represented by one agent, they might have to change their name to the "Washington Borases."
The Nationals, of course, have stated all along that they're perfectly comfortable going into the season with Adam LaRoche at first and Michael Morse backing up if necessary, but at least one source told Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore earlier this week that the Nats had been quietly, aggressively pursuing Fielder all along. Now we just sit and wait to see if the last meeting between Fielder, Boras and the Lerners was part of the current tour, or if Fieder's going to be back in the nation's capital again soon for a third sitdown...
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who is going where, now?
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."
has to be………..wouldn’t be caught sucking his thumb in public…
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."
by cat daddy3000 on Jan 13, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
It's an odd "glamour" shot, to be sure.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
"okay now, chew the nail..............oh,....petulantly..."
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."
by cat daddy3000 on Jan 13, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
If Olney is right, and 6 years at 22-24 per will be enough,
maybe it’s time to get it done. My ceiling would have been 7 for 170, which is one reason I’m not a major league GM.
Why do I get the idea that Olney is not even in the figurative ballpark?
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
Because...........
the NATS would have already signed him at the price………..
If Boras/Fielder were willing to accept that 6-year deal with an opt-out at 3-4 years...
I think Prince would have a home already. They might come down to that eventually.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 13, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Our new GM..........Artist
Signs him for 5-125……..Or PRINCE gets to root for the Cowboys
ESPN.com's Mr. Crasnick says...
Mariners close to trade for young impact hitter.
Good, get out of the Fielder market, punks!!
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 13, 2012 7:03 PM EST reply actions
What impact player is available via trade?
"I was a victim of a series of accidents. As are we all."
---Malachi Constant
by The Herndon Kid on Jan 13, 2012 7:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Apparently Jesus Montero...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 13, 2012 7:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting. Who are they giving up?
"I was a victim of a series of accidents. As are we all."
---Malachi Constant
by The Herndon Kid on Jan 13, 2012 8:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Apparently Pineda. If true, I have to wonder what the hell the Mariners are doing.
"I was a victim of a series of accidents. As are we all."
---Malachi Constant
by The Herndon Kid on Jan 13, 2012 8:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
another reason to wonder what the hell they are doing
they tossed in a hard-throwing prospect who ate up low-a his first year in pro ball this past year…
but they need hitting, and lots of guys can pitch well in saefco. what’s weird is that the yank’s fan sites are mad about it… like they have a spot any time soon for a guy who’s really a dh, and like they need offense anyway and not a legit #2 or 3…
by William.Hatheway on Jan 13, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think this trade + Kuroda are GREAT moves for the Yankees
They added one TOR starter and one solid starter, and are still on pace to get under the luxury tax threshold in two years. Their rotation is now Sabathia-Pineda-Kuroda-Nova-Burnett/Hughes. This may mean they do a Zambrano/Lowe type of dump of Burnett as well, but that remains to be seen.
For the Mariners, I don’t know what the heck they are doing. I think I would have moved King Felix before Pineda, who is about to turn 23 and will be cheap and under team control for YEARS. Fielder doesn’t turn that team into a contender anytime in the next 2-3 years, and by the time they are ready to step up to the Angels and Rangers you’re getting into the caution zone on Fielder’s production. I’d have to say this gets them out of the Prince business if they were ever seriously in.
For the Nationals, in addition to a slight affect on the Fielder market, this does make a Brad Meyers return more likely. With two pitchers moving into the rotation and a bullpen guy moving out, the back of the rotation guys are going to slide into the bullpen competition, quite possibly crowding Meyers out.
With the trade of Montero would the Yankees now be interested in picking up a stick? Do they have anybody that would be a good return for say A Beast?
They've got Andruw Jones as the RH stick
He’s .286/.384/.540 vs. LHP. With two LH sticks and a switch hitter in the OF Jones is a great fit for them. There is talk now of the Yankees picking up Carlos Pena as their DH/backup first baseman.
Revenue changes
I keep reading about increase in revenue from the Nationals tv deal (reated to Fielder). They have not gotten it yet. What about the los of revenue-sharing because they are in a "Big-market"?
Good point. In addition to the money they'll lose because of that change in the CBA...
Boswell’s one writer at least who says the Nats’ owners are loathe to spend “expected” revenue.
Wrote about the Nats’ new designation as a not-small market team back in November:
Washington Nationals, Revenue Sharing, TV Deal And Stan Kasten.
Changes go into effect in 2016 if I remember correctly, but it definitely has to figure in long-term plans.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 13, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Don't think I've seen #'s shared anywhere...
Will look around Biz of Baseball might have that kind of info.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 13, 2012 7:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
only published revenue-sharing
Montreal got $29.5 & $28.5 Mil in 2002 & 2003. Washington Nationals got $3.9 in 2005. These are all leaked numbers. Listed at: Biz of Baseball
That's funny
Isn’t spending “expected money” more or less equivalent to “investing”?
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
If we can get a 6-year deal with an opt-out after three years
Do it. Even at $25 million a year, it’s worth it.
I hope we get PF, but I'd be ok with a healthy LaRoche.
We still need at least a stopgap outfielder. Cody Ross, Marlon Byrd via trade, or at the very least Rick “The Arm” Ankiel. I don’t want to rely on a Cameron/Bernadina platoon. Maybe Xavier Paul can live up to his promise as a top 100 prospect with the Dodgers. If he could get his average up to .270 and OBP up to .330 I could live with him for the short term. Don’t really see that happening, though.
Sportz is a little too caught up in the PF Flyer Roller Coaster
It’s the “PF is coming to DC!!!” followed instantly by “PF isn’t coming to DC!!!” alternating stories every few hours that are wearing him down. He’ll be OK :-)
Sportz expresses the same frustrations I feel
I am learning, slowly, that paying heed to any of this news, good or bad, is just bad for the psyche.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
by RobBobS on Jan 14, 2012 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know this process hasn’t been easy on you and Sportz, but hang in there. Whatever happens, you’re going to be okay. As the saying goes, what doesn’t kill you, will make you stronger. Now BUCK UP!
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger
… but this is killing me.
Montero to Seattle for Pineda
Hopefully this doesn’t bring the Yanks into the PF Flyer.
Name a number between three and five.
.............
.............
Threeve.
Why would it?
Still have Texeira, and ARod will need the DH spot in a couple years (if he doesn’t need it now)…
The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Morse
by Nationalpastime9 on Jan 13, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Forgot about A-Roid
DH is his spot within a year or two, so hopefully a no go plus they are trying to shed money for luxury tax reasons.
Name a number between three and five.
.............
.............
Threeve.
Unless Fielder can play catcher, not likely.
Just dreaming, but the Yanks will need a backup catcher. What about Flores, Lannan, and Bernadina to the Yanks for Gardner? Seriously, my older son (a Yankees fan since he was born in NY) will probably like this trade.
Forgot they had both Cervelli and Martin.
Good trade for the Yankees.
They also have Romine and Sanchez
The Yankees and Nationals are both very deep at catcher.
washingnats:
Tyler Clippard, Jesus Flores, Gio Gonzalez, Tom Gorzelanny, John Lannan, Michael Morse, Jordan Zimmermann have filed for salary arbitration. #Nats #MLB
settle fast, Rizzo!!!!
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."
by cat daddy3000 on Jan 13, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Ah man
what does this mean for us now guys? with Prince? will we get him at 7-8years? we need to react fast bc everyone is making moves that can hurt us for WS contention… where is everyone…I was expecting everyone to post a lot more comments
by Sportzxpert on Jan 13, 2012 8:53 PM EST via Android app reply actions
you know, maybe we should just start thinking how cool it is to have "Comeback" Adam LaRoche on the roster...
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."
by cat daddy3000 on Jan 13, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
+D
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 13, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
lightning quick moves.........
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."
by cat daddy3000 on Jan 13, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
/flagged
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
now come on, Mr. LaRoche hopes all Nats fans will be pulling for all the players on the team
boat anchors included….
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."
by cat daddy3000 on Jan 13, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
This move, if it has any impact at all on the Fielder sweepstakes, helps the Nationals get him
Seattle was regarded as a dark horse candidate, but trading off Pineda doesn’t make sense if your goal is to win in the next 2-3 years. With the Rangers and Angels bulking up, if I were the Mariners I would have traded King Felix and hung onto Pineda. Not only is he young and throws hard, he throws strikes. That’s a rare combination.
With Fielder likely to be at his best over the next 2-3 years, with some possible slippage in years 4-5 and anyone’s guess after that, signing Fielder makes even less sense now for the Mariners than it did last week. Although I never regarded them as a serious landing spot for the PF Flyer, so it doesn’t help all that much. Still, every little bit (as the saying goes).
0-4.............at least he only struck out once, but the pop-out to catcher w/2 RISP.....ouch...
Aguilas Bottom of the 8th
Yoenis Cespedes pops out to first baseman Mauro Gomez.
meanwhile, Jesus Flores is 2-4, double, 2 RBIs , 2 runs scored.
and um, Endy Chavez is 3-4, 3 runs…in LVBP action
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."
heh
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 13, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
might be starting to be more optimistic in management
Werth and the idea of trading Jordan and others for Greinke had me fretting, but I for one like the Gio trade and now am coming around to Prince solely because it looks like they knew his price would have to come down. As for CF, Cepedes wants way too much, and while I wouldn’t have minded Coco as a stopgap, anyone they could trade for will be a FA anyway next year, so that looks like good discipline to me.
by William.Hatheway on Jan 13, 2012 10:44 PM EST reply actions
if Jordan Zimmermann would have been traded away for anyone, it would have really dimmed my enthusiasm...
GWWWG!!!
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."
by cat daddy3000 on Jan 14, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
+GWWWG!!
+GWWWG!!
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 14, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Go With What We Got...
It’s cd3k’s new cheer. I’m not sure I agree. Just really like cheering and exclamation points.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 14, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
it’s a cheer for the lowering of expectations…and maybe a little reverse jinxy…
(I would hope the fad would fizzle out with the announcement of a major signing)
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."
by cat daddy3000 on Jan 15, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
it's a new slogan sweeping this comment thread for those tired of the Hot Stove season.......
Go With What We Got!!!
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."
and a reply fail to go with it…
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."
by cat daddy3000 on Jan 14, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
GWWWG
…is the new Tebow.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
by RobBobS on Jan 14, 2012 2:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Given tonight's game
I’m not sure “new Tebow” is what we’re going for
My point exactly.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
by RobBobS on Jan 15, 2012 7:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

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