Wire Taps: Quiet Washington Nationals Re-Emerge As Front Runners For Prince Fielder, Rangers Out/Not Out?
Prince Fielder visited the nation's capital and met with the Washington Nationals' brass the last time he and his agent Scott Boras toured interested MLB cities according to several reports. The 27-year-old, 5'11'', 275 lb, left-handed hitting HR threat's representatives reportedly met with the Nats' owners last week in Arizona, but the last public statements on Washington's behalf came from Mike Rizzo in Washington Times' writer Amanda Comak's January 5th article entitled, "Nats GM Mike Rizzo says nothing has changed with regard to Prince Fielder", in which the general manager acknowledged reports which said the Nationals' were the front runners for Fielder but wondered where they were coming from since the team hadn't changed their stance on the free agent slugger since early December.
Eight days after the Lerners met with Fielder's agent at the Camelback Resort in Scottsdale, Arizona and two weeks after their GM's comments in the Washington Times, FOXSports.com's Jon Morosi (@JonMorosi) wrote last night after Texas signed 25-year-old right-hander Yu Darvish that the Rangers were unlikely to sign Fielder as well, at least at the current asking price. "Sources say #Rangers unlikely to outbid #Nationals for Prince Fielder," Mr. Morosi wrote in one tweet and though he wouldn't count Texas out, "The #Nationals are still viewed by many in the industry as the frontrunners to sign Prince Fielder," he concluded.
So why doesn't it feel like the Nationals are the front runners?
The Rangers are saying they're out. Sort of saying that at least. Rangers' GM Jon Daniel said, "'It's very unlikely,'" that Texas will continue to pursue Fielder as Ft. Worth Star-Telegram baseball writer Jeff Wilson (@JeffWilson_FWST) wrote on Twitter last night and the general manager reportedly told reporters, "'I don't expect that we'll do anything big the rest of the off-season.'" Dallas Morning News' baseball writer Evan Grant in an article entitled, "Rangers remain interested in Prince Fielder", wrote Wednesday night that the only way Fielder ends up a Rangers is if they two sides work out a 'creative' deal.
MLB.com's Rangers' beat writer T.R. Sullivan wrote that he'd talked to Texas' GM Jon Daniels "off camera", quoting the general manager in a blog post tonight entitled, "Daniels on Fielder", saying, "'I’m intimately aware of our budget and it’s very unlikely,'" they'll spend big on Fielder after spending $111.7 million on Darvish between the posting fee ($51.7) and the contract (6-year/$60M+ incentives) they agreed upon yesterday. In MLB.com's Mr. Sullivan's article on the press conference with the Rangers' brass entitled, "Only Yu? Rangers 'unlikely' to ink Prince", he quotes team president Nolan Ryan, however, who doesn't seem as willing to close the book on the idea of Fielder calling Arlington home. "'We'll just have to see where things go the rest of the winter and see what our opportunities are,'" Ryan says, "'I'm not sure we can predict anything at this time.'"
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel writer Tom Haudricourt, who quoted sources weeks back saying the Nationals were the front runners for Fielder wondered last night in an article entitled, "Fielder to Rangers 'very unlikely'", if Washington was, "... once again the prohibitive favorite to sign Fielder, if they weren't in any event." The Nationals, however, have remained mum on the subject. They've said all winter that they're perfectly comfortable going into the 2012 season with Adam LaRoche at first and Michael Morse backing up if necessary. In spite of what they've said publicly though they're remained the front runners in many people's eyes.
Time and again the Nats' GM's refused to commit fully one way or another, saying they'll go with the LaRoche in the second year of his two-year deal, but will keep an open mind if, "... something bigger that's acquire-able is something that helps our ballclub and that fits for us in the long-term," as Rizzo said in an MLB Network Radio interview a few weeks back. The Nats have "... more or less decided that Adam [LaRoche] is going to be our first baseman," Rizzo said, "unless something extraordinary, out of the ordinary happened that's how we're going to go to Spring Training."
The Nationals have consistently refused to tip their hand, seemingly waiting for Fielder and Boras to come to them, but while they wait, and while they "patiently and aggressively" pursue the free agent behind the scenes as Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore's sources told him they have been all along, the Mariners, Cubs and Marlins continue to be mentioned as potential suitors only to have their own team executives express varying degrees of interest as well. What they say in public matters very little in the end. After all, after the Rangers' exec's comments last night, one of the first things FOXSports.com's Jon Morosi (@JonMorosi) tweeted this morning was that, "One rival executive believes the #Rangers will end up with Prince Fielder. 'They are experts at playing possum,' he said."
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"Rizzo keeps more clam than a seafood buffet!"
(thanks to the fine folks at WadjetEye Games for that one)
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
17 GIDP in 692 PA's last year
So sayeth baseballreference
9-way tie for 27th-most.
Pujols was the ML leader, with 29 of them. He’s worthless. Adrian Gonzalez was right behind him with 28. He’s worthless, too.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
"I-on-ly-wantedto-see-you-hit-ting-in-the-Nats-line-up!"
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
I did a little digging on the Rangers; they COULD sign Prince, but it would be risky
The Rangers are a theoretical landing point, but it would be tough even for a 6 year/$25 AAV contract. According to Cot’s, Texas is already obligated to pay their top 14 players $87.1 million in 2012. That does NOT include their $51 payment to Nippon Ham, or their obligations to Yu Darvish or Mike Napoli (who is in arbitration). Those two are going to cost the Rangers about another $20 million (Darvish signed 6/$60 million, the midpoint between the arbitration figures for Napoli is $9.9 million). Add the remainder of their 40 man roster (peanuts, essentially) and that will bring their approximate payroll to $110-112 million – not so bad until Nippon Ham cashes the check bringing the one year outlay to $161-163 million. Adding Fielder puts their 2012 payroll at $135-137 million (which would have ranked them #4 in baseball last year behind the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies) and their one year costs at $186-190 million. Yikes.
They also have to be careful about longer term outlays. While Hamilton (if he’s not extended) comes off the books after 2012 and Michael Young after 2013, their young players start lining up for paydays. It will cost them $10 million to keep Kinsler in 2013 and he’s a free agent after that. The costs for Nelson Cruz, Elvis Andrus, Koji Uehara, Matt Harrison and Neftali Feliz all start going up as they start climbing the arbitration ladder after this season.
The Rangers might be able to do a severely backloaded contract (relatively small outlays in the first year – say $10 million, escalating to $18 million or so in 2013 and $30 million a year for the next four seasons). First, they’d have to convince Boras and Fielder that a severely backloaded deal is the way to go. And even if they severely backloaded the deal, it would absorb the entire benefit of letting both Hamilton and Young go, and would mean that all of their other escalating costs keep them firmly in the top tier of payrolls for several years. If they think the media costs make that OK they could go for it, but it’s a risky strategy.
very nicely done
good analysis… I love Cot’s (except where it shows how fast the Nat’s payroll is going to rise in the next couple of years)
by William.Hatheway on Jan 19, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
spring is just around the corner!
MLB:
Ahem, cough, ONE MONTH UNTIL PITCHERS AND CATCHERS START REPORTING … #SpringTraining
pandora is playing take on me
i miss baseball
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man
The caption for that photo should read something like:
“Rizzo explains to reporters that he ‘thinks the offense is finally coming around a bit,’” and that he ’expects a breakout from the team tonight."
Followed by, of course, one of the more enjoyable viewings of the year: 17-5.
Heck, who needs Fielder?
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!
I just spent a less-than-entertaining six minutes
trying to find “the source” for that quote. I swear I first heard it in some old war movie, but I can find no reference for it on the interwebs. And, apparently, neither can a herd of other people. This will end up bugging me too much.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
It's in some old war movies...
probably about eleventeen jillion. And a few cavalry-vs.-Indians flicks too.
by Elvin Unseld on Jan 19, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
John Wayne Moives
“It’s quiet, too quiet” was first used by John Wayne in the 1934 film The Lucky Texan
I’m sure it has been used many times since then and could be older.
And Zoe says it to Mal
in an unproduced" Firefly" script.
by Elvin Unseld on Jan 20, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Wait for it......WAIT FOR IT.......
…..since we are going with quotes germane to the situation, thought I would include one of the newest ones that everyone seems to be using.
Anticipation
We can never know about the days to come
But we think about them anyway
…
Anticipation, Anticipation
Is making me wait
Is keeping me waiting
from song “Anticipation” by Carly Simon.
About Prince's Career...
Has anyone looked at his career stats? Ever since his Major League career took off, he has consistently had a very good season one year and then a not-as-good but still very good season the next. Fielder is for a not-as-good season in 2012. Anyone worried about this?
According to Baseball-Reference.com:
AVG/OBP/HR’s
2006: .271/.347/28 -
2007: .288/.395/50 +
2008: .276/.372/34 -
2009: .299/.412/46 +
2010: .261/.401/32 -
2011: .299/.415/38 +
"How the hell can I make my teammates better by practicing?" - Allen Iverson
He's either going to be putting up monster numbers or he's gonna be putting up very good numbers
I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
Go ahead, make my day.
by ilikeburritos on Jan 19, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Besides, he wouldn't be signing a 1-year contract
so it’s performance over multiple years that’s the focus. And, following on the above comment, his “not-as-good” still shines in comparison to Werth’s first season. (Who, hopefully, is feeling muuuuch better now.)
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
I, undoubtedly among many others around these parts, had noticed that, too.
..and made the argument that, once a long-term contract is signed, there may be and even GREATER likelihood that the pattern continues (or worse, stays “bad” for Fielder from now on).
But OTOH, Fielder’s “bad” is still many hitters’ “great”, and the Nats would still likely be better off with Fielder if he performs closer to the bad years than the good one.
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!
Another option (?) gone
Mad Jonny Gomes is off the market. I admired his hustle, but not much else about his game. Iron Glove, not much speed, worthless against righties.
Other than that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
I heard an interview with him around New Years
and he had nothing but praise for the Nats and the direction they’re heading. I especially appreciated his response when asked if he might re-sign with the Nats, he began with “well, they do have this guy you may have heard of, Bryce Harper…” He knew his utility on the Nats would be minimal in 2012, and he seemed perfectly OK with that fact. It seemed to me to a be a really classy response.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
Nice story
It’s fun to root for guys like that. Even if they have gawdawful mullets …

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