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Washington Nationals Still In Mix? Texas Rangers Continue Talking Prince Fielder.

Texas Rangers' executives on Friday continued to say Prince Fielder and Scott Boras would have to be willing to get creative to work out a deal to bring the 27-year-old free agent to the AL West. While the Rangers explored possibilities, the team some see as the second-most likely destination for the 5'11, 275 lb first baseman (the Washington Nationals) signed their own backup first base option and presumptive starting left fielder (Michael Morse) to what's reportedly a 2-year/$10.5M dollar extension that buys out the final two arbitration-eligible seasons which remained before the 29-going-on-30-year-old IF/OF becomes a free agent following the 2013 campaign.

Morse took over at first and excelled there when Adam LaRoche went down with a torn labrum and rotator cuff damage in his shoulder last season. LaRoche is expected to be 100% by Spring Training. The Nats signed Mark DeRosa as another option at first. Chris Marrero's eventually coming back from a hamstring injury, and Davey Johnson at least said it was time to see what he can do in the majors. The Nationals don't "need" need Prince Fielder. The Rangers?

Star-divide

They have 27-year-old '07 17th Round pick Mitch Moreland. "We have a lot of confidence in Mitch Moreland," Rangers' GM Jon Daniels said Thursday night in an MLB Network Radio interview with Casey Stern and Jim Bowden, "I think if you look at Mitch's first 400-450 at bats before he hurt his wrist, in the big leagues he was very productive. But again, we're not denying what Prince brings to the table." Moreland underwent arthroscopic surgery on his right wrist at the end of November after struggling with a wrist injury throughout the second half of the season. Rangers' co-owner Bob Simpson offered his own opinion on the Fielder chatter on Friday, telling Dallas Morning News' writer Brad Townsend, in an article entitled, "Rangers co-owner Bob Simpson would rather re-sign Josh Hamilton than sign Prince Fielder", that the free agent first baseman might not be a fit in Texas:

"'I think he's, given our set of cards, too pricey,' Simpson said. 'And if that were to change, I guess they would look at that harder. But right now I think he's priced himself out of what we could do.'"

Besides, the co-owner says in the Dallas Morning News' article, there are other Rangers he'd like to see re-signed, "'And frankly, my personal preference at this moment would be to re-sign [Josh Hamilton] instead of helping Fielder. We (the ownership group) could all debate that.'" Mr. Simpson, Fort Worth Star-Telegram writer Jeff Wilson wrote Friday in an article entitled, "Rangers owner Bob Simpson on club's finances, Prince Fielder", just like every other Rangers' executive who's talked about the free agent first baseman, left the door open for the possibility of a deal, explaining that, "'If they come around to something we can do, we'll take a look at it.'"

ESPNDallas.com's Richard Durrett transcribed quotes from Rangers' president Nolan Ryan's appearance on 103.3 FM in Dallas' Galloway and Company on Friday, in which the Hall of Fame pitcher told the hosts that though there was obvious interest in Fielder in Texas, "'With what we did yesterday and the position that Scott Boras is taking, it’s pretty hard to think that would develop.'" Ryan, of course, then turns around and says that sometimes, "'... when you think you’re out of something, you get up the next day and find out opportunities exist.'"

SI.com's Tom Verducci weighed Fielder's options for him on Friday in an article entitled, "Rangers, Nationals have much to offer Fielder beyond cash", in which he wrote that barring a late entry into the bidding he too thought, "Fielder's best options look like Texas and Washington." The SI.com writer suspects that Washington can probably give the soon-to-be-former Milwaukee Brewer a longer deal, and argues that the Nationals could use a third marquee star who'd team with Stephen Strasburg and Bryce Harper to turn the Nats into, "... not just an instant contender but also a meaningful draw."

It took Fielder four seasons in Milwaukee to get the Brewers back into the postseason for the first time since 1982. Milwaukee lost in the NLDS in 2008, and two years later the slugging first baseman helped get them back there again for the second time in four seasons, but in spite of their all-out effort to win while they had Fielder, the Brewers lost to the Cardinals in six games in the NLCS and most-likely lost their '02 1st Round pick to free agency. Fielder's choice, it appears, is trying to help the Nationals get to the postseason for the first time in the relocated franchise's history in D.C., and it would be the first time a team in the nation's capital made a postseason appearance since 1933, or going to Texas and seeing if the third time's the charm for the two-time defending ALCS champs, and former Washington Senators, who've lost in the World Series in each of the past two seasons...

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"...the Nationals could use a third marquee star who'd team with Stephen Strasburg and Bryce Harper to turn,,,"

the third marquee star is not a thirdbaseman?!? …….. et tu, Verducci?……..

"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."

by cat daddy3000 on Jan 21, 2012 5:17 AM EST reply actions  

Exactly!

What is Zimmerman, chopped liver?

by Fear_Redskins on Jan 21, 2012 6:27 AM EST up reply actions  

While we love Zim, he doesn't exactly have a national profile.

Heck, Nyjer has a higher profile.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents. As are we all."
---Malachi Constant

by The Herndon Kid on Jan 21, 2012 8:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So you're saying ...

… that DC’s Foie Gras is the rest of the country’s braunschweiger?

by DaRube on Jan 21, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Amanda Comak has more on what Nolan Ryan said:

@acomak: It seems 30teams say Prince Fielder’s asking price has to come down for them to get involved, so…what exactly is it? http://t.co/iU78F51g

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 21, 2012 6:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

He wants too many years

Boras needs to come to grips with the major risk that Prince is and accept a 5/100 ish deal.

by Mr. E on Jan 21, 2012 7:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, shorter the better...

How about 4 for 100. Allows him a huge per year number and lets him get back out on the market one more time. Of course, unless he drops some pounds, he’ll still have the same “risk” associated with him in 4 yrs too.

Once Harper is up, if Morse has continued to mash, his trade value should be at such a level that we can acquire the CF we want (and maybe more). Suddenly we have a nice 3 yr window (2013-2015) of Stras, JZimm, Gio and Harper, Fielder, RZimm, Werth, Rendon (assuming a RZimm extension and trade of either Desmond or Spinner to make room for Rendon at 2B). And still have the “extra waves of pitching” Rizzo is clamoring about on the way too.

I love Morse, but let’s be honest. Dude is 30 and after 2013 will either a) have settled into a decent average, 25ish HR hitter (why not just get the decent avg 35-40 HR hitter in Fielder) or b) have become a monster that will cost almost as much as Fielder but will be 32 yrs old. This 2 yr $10M deal is a thing of beauty. Flexibility to have him for 2 yrs at 5M or even better give him to someone else to improve our club at a very serviceable number – actually a 1.5 yr steal if he mashes up to the all-star break.

by Jordven Strasermann on Jan 21, 2012 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

"a decent average, 25ish HR hitter"

That’s funny. Morse is a superbly well-conditioned athlete, a team player and a monstrously powerful hitter, just coming into his own after he finally got the opportunity. Know what else? He’ll still be productive after Fielder has gone – or badly tailed off, age difference or no.

’Course, Mikey might turn into a (fat)hlete himself. He might balloon up to four bills (height-adjusted for comparison), take up show-boating, and flip us off in the middle of the play-offs – which yes, the Fielderless Nats will contend for, sooner than most anyone expects – and your comparison becomes more valid.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 21, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Much as I like Morse

He will never be as good as Fielder.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 21, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I should rephrase myself here

Since I don’t like it when people talk in absolutes about the future, I shouldn’t do it myself. So…

I doubt that Morse will ever be as good as Fielder.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 21, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

For once I agree with you

He’ll be better.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 21, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

If he was 3 years younger I would agree with you

But there’s no reason to believe that his primal years are ahead of him. If there is, let me know

Whats the frequency, Kenneth?

by ZimforPrez on Jan 22, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Bill James' 2012 projections for Morse

.291/.347/.505, 25 HR, 87 RBI, 140 games (“decent average, 25ish HR”)

According to RotoChamp:
Fielder: 169 H, 33 2B, 38 HR, 117 R, 112 RBI, 111 BB, .294/.419/.553 and a .408 wOBA
Morse: 149 H, 36 2B, 31 HR, 81 R, 91 RBI, 47 BB, .284/.346/.530 and a .373 wOBA

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 21, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

111/47, boy Fielder's projected patient approach is impressive...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 21, 2012 5:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Fielder 111 BB vs Morse 47 BB

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Jan 21, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

How many of Fielder’s walks do you think are iBB?

I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general

by short_shifter on Jan 21, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

32 of 107 last season...

You can look at past years here.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 21, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

How can he do a projection if he doesn't even know where Fielder's home park will be?

The numbers will be very different if he lands in Seattle vs. Texas, for example.

by d_c_guy on Jan 21, 2012 6:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Hmmmm……granted. Wondering though, where most of his HRs go; how many of those are first row HRs as opposed to those well hit into the seats? Also, where do most go in terms of field location (LF, RF, CF, etc), and what are the differences in field dimensions between DC and some of those other parks? What type of difference would it truly make, whether he plays in the most hitter friendly park, versus the most pitcher friendly park? 5HRs? More? Less? I know it made a huge difference for Larry Walker when he went from the Expos to the Rox…..but that was in an era that is pretty much skewed in terms of stats, because we don’t truly know “who” was juiced and who wasn’t, and when they were juiced as compared to when they weren’t. Just wondering what true difference it would make regarding the location of Fielder’s home field, especially considering that the differences between his home/road stats, over the past three years, are not that much different…..of course his home stats are better, but I think everyone has better home stats, correct?

by sullyzz on Jan 21, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

...and no longer protected by Braun

Such statistical extrapolations are fun, but not overly useful. If they were, MLB would not be littered with so many multi-million dollar per year stiffs.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 21, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You are laboring under the delusion

that most GMs pay sufficient attention to the statisticians when they make these decisions. They don’t.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 22, 2012 11:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ye' don't say

I humbly disagree, sire. Evidently somebody pays a great deal of attention to this crap – of course, since you get to decide what is sufficient and shat ain’t, that qualifier is hard for the rest of us to divine. However, somebody who makes important decisions clearly feels that extrapolation from statistical past performance is of the greatest importance. I am not delusional, neither is it an act of great labor to see this.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 22, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Think of any of the flop long-term contracts currently out there

I’ll guess that every single one you come up with was panned on FanGraphs or a similar forum.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 22, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm waiting for the sonic boom
The Nationals don’t “need” need Prince Fielder.

[RobBobS’ head explodes]

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Jan 21, 2012 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

Ouch.

That hurt.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 21, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

LaRoche, De Rosa, and Marrero

I thought first base was supposed to be a hitter’s position?

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 21, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

You can ask yourself that all year if your dreams don't come true...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 21, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Nike Moarse

FOF (Firstbaseman odda Future)

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 21, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't shake

This feeling either. Seems fairly logical that he’d have taken a deal from the Nats already providing both parties were equally interested. After all, despite all public protests to the opposite, it has to be obvious to both Fielder and Boras by now that they’re simply not going to get the years or money they’re looking for.

by Armless Penguin on Jan 21, 2012 2:54 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

On the contrary

The longer Bora$$ stews, the better a Rizzo 4 to 6 year offer will look. As of this afternoon, we’re looking at p&c in 28 and a wake-up. Ten more days we’re into February, and if Fielder ain’t signed by then, Bora$$ will be wiggling like a worm.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 21, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Have the Nats even offered a contract yet

becuase of Borass not wanting to belive reality

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Jan 21, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Your guess is as good as mine

But I doubt they’re meeting to swap recipes for pot roast

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 21, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

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