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The Washington Nationals, Matt Purke And The Nats' Big Gamble.

The Washington Nationals felt comfortable dealing prospects like Brad Peacock, Tom Milone and A.J. Cole, D.C. GM Mike Rizzo explained to reporters after the deal, because there is already another wave of pitchers coming up in the organization. "With the [Matt] Purkes and the [Sammy] Solises and the [Alex] Meyers of the world," Rizzo said, you can make a deal that sends two of the top ten pitchers, a major-league ready arm and the top catching prospect on Baseball America's last list of your organization's Top 10 Prospects to Oakland in return for A's left-hander Gio Gonzalez and right-handed prospect Robert Gilliam. Though Baseball America's Jim Callis (@JimCallisBA) wrote on Twitter recently that the deal would drop the Nats a few spots in their organizational rankings, the Nationals were the ranked as the no.1 organization in baseball when this year's edition of their Prospect Handbook went to the printers.

"We also have a wave behind them of the [Robbie] Rays and the [Paul] Demnys and those type of guys behind them," Rizzo told reporters in December, "So, we feel that we're set up very, very well for the long haul."

Star-divide

Both 2011 1st Round pick, Meyer, and 2010 2nd Rounder, Solis, were on MLB.com's Top 100 Prospects list when it was unveiled this week. Matt Purke was ranked ahead of Solis on Baseball America's most recent Top 10 Prospects list as the top left-hander in the Nationals' organization before he's thrown a pitch in the minor leagues. The Nationals' GM described the 21-year-old, 2011 3rd Round pick, in an interview with ESPN980's Thom Loverro last August as a, "... polished accomplished pitcher," who has, "... really performed outstandingly well from his high school days through his freshman and sophomore year at TCU."

"He was a high draft and high dollar guy out of high school, that didn't work out," Rizzo said, referring to the events that took place when the Rangers drafted him in the 1st Round in 2009. Purke was (16-0) with 142 K's (10.99 K/9) and 34 BB (2.63 BB/9) in 20 games and 116.1 IP in 2010, leading the Horned Frogs to the College World Series. "And this year," Rizzo told the ESPN980 host, "as a sophomore, although he had some shoulder bursitis in his arm [and] still was (5-1) with, I think, a 1.70 ERA." It was a 1.71 ERA actually, to go along with a .187 BAA, 61 K's (10.42 K/9) and 20 walks (3.42 BB/9) in 11 starts and 52.2 IP. The Nats gave the left-hander a 4-year/$4.15 million dollar major league deal when they took him with the 93rd overall pick in the 3rd Round of this past June's draft.

The Nationals were comfortable giving a player who'd struggled with injuries all year a major league deal in large part because he'd submitted to an MRI arthrogram after the draft when he'd visited Washington to meet with team officials and doctors. "I just knew that, the only thing I could do was lay it out there and say 'Do what you want to do'," Purke explained to the D.C. press corps during his introductory press conference this past August, so he told the team, "... do the test, look at it, get your own assessment of it and then we can talk."

"He's a power pitcher that has good command of his four pitches," Rizzo told ESPN980's Mr. Loverro, "He's a polished guy with command, poise and stuff and we think he's a quick-to-the-big-leagues college-type of pitcher and we're really pleased at the person and we were satisfied with his health." At the press conference to introduce Purke, Rizzo said that the plan was to send the left-hander to Florida, "... and we're going ot have our pitching coordinator, Spin Williams down there. We'll assess where he's at as far as his readiness to pitch, and as Matt said I've seen him pitch recently and he's well on his way to pitching in a game so when we make that assessment we'll put a plan together to get him on the mound."

The Nationals were comfortable enough with what they saw in Florida that they sent Purke to the Arizona Fall League, where he struggled at first pitching against the top prospects in the game, allowing 12 hits, three walks and 11 earned runs in 7.1 IP, though all eleven runs came in his first three outings and he ended the AFL season with four scoreless innings pitched over four outings. Washington Times' writer Amanda Comak spoke to both Doug Harris, the Nats' director of player development and Paul Menhart, the Nats' pitching coach who accompanied their prospects to Arizona this fall, and wrote that, "His fastball velocity rose to 96 mph, and that sharpness he’d been searching for began to return to all of his pitches as he worked through a few mechanical tweaks," in the AFL.

Now Purke will take part in at least the first few weeks of Spring Training with the major league team before he's assigned somewhere in the system to begin his pro career, with High-A Potomac a likely destination. How long before he moves up to Double-A wheere he'd be reunited with a promoted Paul Menhart, his development will determine? How quick a "quick-to-the-big-leagues" pitcher is Purke? The Nationals gave the left-hander a major league deal and were willing to trade major-league ready pitchers because they believe they've acquired enough high-end arms in the last few drafts to make it possible.

"The plan three years ago was to attack the draft before the new CBA," Rizzo told reporters this week, "That was our focus, that was our vision, that was our strategy going into it three years ago and we did it, we attacked it for the last three years and I don't think you'll see a draft class like last year's because of the new CBA rules."

Purke might have been the biggest risk they took over the last three drafts. Is he a quick-to-the-big-leagues lefty or, "'... a guy with shoulder issues, a guy with a bad delivery and a guy that you probably shouldn't be spending $4.4 million on,'" as FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal quoted a source saying last summer?

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getting to you, too, huh?

"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."

by cat daddy3000 on Jan 29, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I could use some help

My wife and I am planning a trip to DC for the April 14 game against the Red. We could use some suggestions about a good valued hotel near the stadium.

Sharon Marsh "Stan, what did I tell you about being a smart ass?" Stan Marsh "Don't be a smart ass"

John S West Jr

by Adam double bubble on Jan 30, 2012 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

eh

I don’t know what has sprung up there recently per se. If I were you just find a hotel near a metro stop, and something thats convenient to the other sites of the city. The Nats stadium is really the only attraction in that area (though its kind of close to the Capitol), but that isn’t a nice walk.

So do China town or Dupont circle (avoid hotels in Georgetown because there really isn’t a usable metro).

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Jan 30, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Seconded, there isn't much down there yet.

Though I am excited about the Brewery that will be opening down there in about a year.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Jan 30, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

If you can find a place in China Town, which is on the Green Line metro (same metro line as the ball park) that’s probably your best bet.

If you don’t mind changing trains, then Dupont Circle or Woodley Park could work. Woodley Park is probably the least crowded of the three areas and there’s a Marriott and an Omni hotel there.

by RoscoeNats on Jan 30, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Stay in DC if you can

Virginia is super nice, but it isn’t the Nation’s Capital.

For value, I would see what was cheapest around Chinatown/Convention Center/Penn Quarter a couple of days before you left. So long as there isn’t a huge convention in town, you should be able to find a great deal. It would be a short Metro ride to the ballpark, and there are some great restaurants around there.

If American standard is your fare, try Bobby Van’s, Georgia Brown’s, Arcadiana, Old Ebbitt, or Chef Geoff’s (metro center). I haven’t made it to these, but I have heard great things about Hill Country, Carmine’s, and Luke’s. Tasca is good too.

If you are thinking about staying in Capitol Hill, there aren’t many hotels but you might be able to find a deal on an executive suite that goes unused. And there are a ton of restaurants on the Hill now. I’d try Matchbox, Cava, Chesapeake Room, Ted’s Bulletin, or if you want some Eastern NC BBQ, go to Port City Cafe (if open — short hours b/c they are church going folks, which is a good thing).

If you want to be a little edgy, go to H street NE for Granville Moore’s (best meal in the city). Either go very early before the game (to avoid a line) or if you are up for it, go after the game, put your name on the list, drink and the Pug (bar next door) for an hour and then eat. If you want some more DC, go 8 blocks down H Street to HR-57 for some Jazz — cover and corkage fee, but it is BYOB (RIP Junebug — house drummer just passed).

I could go on, but this post is too long.

Also recommended: Botanical gardens, walking the mall, and ….GO NATS!

by HarmonK on Jan 30, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Cherry blossom festival

April 14 is during the National Cherry Blossom Festival there will be lots of tourist in town. The Cherry Blossom Parade is on the 14th from 10am – noon. I doubt anything will be cheap that weekend.

I would not wait to couple of days before get a bargain room.

by HG_VA on Jan 30, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Georgia Browns is far from american standard, it is classic soulfood at it’s best, plus it was featured on the best TV show ever, so it is still a bit hard to get a table, even years later.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Jan 30, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

snap.. I need to go watch Babylon 5 again…

by dc Roach on Jan 31, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Babylon 5 was good, but hardly the best ever, not even the best Sci fi ever, I meant The Wire of course.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Jan 31, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for clearing that up

I never watched Babylon 5, so I didn’t have the nerve to ask what the heck you all were talking about.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 31, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

no, Doncosmic, you are wrong. Babylon 5 was the best TV ever, sci fi or not..

do not anger Delenn…“he is behind me; you are in front of me; if you value your lives, be elsewhere”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mURWOwkFPM

Babylon 5 “No Surrender, No Retreat”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qGLPCcjK2c

"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."

by cat daddy3000 on Jan 31, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

(had to look him up, and The Wire...)

sounds like a great show, but I bet they didn’t have to do CGI with Video Toaster on a Commodore Amiga…..

"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."

by cat daddy3000 on Feb 1, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I will add that Marriott just recently took over the Red Roof Inn in Chinatown, and the Irish Channel Restaurant downstairs is a great place as well. The Marriott (I think it is a Fairfield Marriott) is located at 500 H Street, NW, and is not only a quick ride to Navy Yard and Nats Park via the Gallery Place Metro, but also just a couple blocks away from the Verizon Center. As for dinning, Clydes, Matchbox, and the District Chophouse are also nearby. I forgot about the Cherry Blossoms….so yeah, reservations should be made NOW, and maybe even YESTERDAY. And for anyone coming in mid-May, forget about it…..that area of DC is packed with visitors for National Police Week, since the Police Memorial is nearby.

by sullyzz on Jan 31, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

My nice affordable Red Roof Inn is gone :(

I stayed there for two years just about every time I came to D.C., no more of that.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 31, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe the Marriott will have decent prices also….it is a Fairfield which is one of the cheaper Marriott chains.

by sullyzz on Jan 31, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Few times I've checked back, their rates had doubled.

Too bad for me, was the perfect spot for food/entertainment and a block from the Gallery Place Metro.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 31, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah man…..that sucks. And you are correct, it is a perfect location. If I hear of anything else, I’ll let you know. You may have to cross the river….have you checked the Crystal City area by any chance? Or any Montgomery County locations?

by sullyzz on Jan 31, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

No question about it (if you are not intimidated by big cities) downtown D.C. is beautiful, fun and the place to be. I’d definitely go with Penn Quarter/Chinatown area too! It’s only 2 miles from the ballpark but not especially walker friendly. Metro or cab is the way to go.
The National Portrait Gallery and the American Museum of Art are favorites and are right there and of course the Smithsonian is an easy walk.
(again, if you enjoy a cigar and a relaxing place to catch a game on TV Shelly’s Back Room is a short stroll away on the 13 Hundred block of F St…. I mention this because I don’t think Livo’s Red Porch Cigar Bar will be open for business by April…)

by PerryMason on Jan 31, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Flying in or driving?

by PerryMason on Jan 30, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

There is a Courtyard by Marriott on NJ Ave, SE. The neighborhood is fine, it’s all defense contractors and Navy people now. You could just take a cab to 8th St, SE if you want some “nightlife” or dinner and drinks. Not far.

"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon

by wittcap79 on Jan 30, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

there's a VERY nice B&B five blocks away

the “Casa Degli Angeli” — caters primarily to longer terms (I stayed there last year while working at Library of Congress May through July). Very reasonable: it’s a very short walk to the park and two blocks to Navy Yard Metro.. The innkeeper (GREAT guy) was thinking of trying to attract ballpark customers for short stays. He has a website. May be booked, but can’t hurt to ask.

by Joe Hardy Fan on Jan 30, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Capitol Skyline is pretty cool. I believe they have a rooftop pool party on the weekends. Although April may be a little chilly for that.

"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon

by wittcap79 on Jan 30, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks.

We will look for something on the Metro line. That’s what I thought, but wasn’t sure.
We stayed at the Old town Hilton in Alexandria several weeks ago and that’s right across the street from a metro stop, so we will probably do that again.
Getting excited about my first season as a Nats fan.

Sharon Marsh "Stan, what did I tell you about being a smart ass?" Stan Marsh "Don't be a smart ass"

John S West Jr

by Adam double bubble on Jan 30, 2012 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

Embassy Suites Hotel - King Street Metro - Alexandria, VA

There is also an Embassy Suites Hotel directly across the street from the King Street Metro in Alexandria, VA. Since you stayed at the nearby Hilton, you also know that the King Street Metro is nearby Old Town Alexandria, where there are a ton of restaurants, shopping, and a riverfront. BTW….I highly recommend Bilbo Baggins Restaurant in Alexandria, located at 208 Queen Street. Good luck, and enjoy a Nationals Win!

by sullyzz on Jan 30, 2012 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

We thought about Bilbo Baggins

last time we were in Alexandria. I will try to sell it to my wife. She is naturally hesitant about anything Sci-Fi related, and food.
I am already looking at the schedule and my guess is Gio will pitch on Saturday the 14. I am really looking forward to rooting for a team that cares about winning.
I have been reading about Bud Selig starting the extra wild card team this year. Has anyone confirmed this yet and that has to increase the chances of the Nats making it into the post season. Any thoughts?

Sharon Marsh "Stan, what did I tell you about being a smart ass?" Stan Marsh "Don't be a smart ass"

John S West Jr

by Adam double bubble on Jan 30, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just writing something similar but you beat me...

If we’re stuck with wild cards in baseball…I’m glad there are two WCs with a one game playoff so they’re not on equal footing with a team that won their division.

by RoscoeNats on Jan 30, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You pretty much stated my exact opinion.

by RossingtonCollins on Jan 30, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the wild card and the addition of one more with the one game play in… It means more basebal

by PerryMason on Jan 30, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless you are eliminating the play-offs, I don't see the harm in a second wild-card.

As it stands now, plenty of teams that clearly did worse over the long haul of the season, get into the play-offs and once you are there anything can happen. The only way to avoid this would be to eliminate the leagues, have every team face each other an equal number of times, and a team with the most wins is champion. I’m not saying that this is what you are advocating, but under your system, the championship could still be won by a team that was less good, but strung together a good run of games.

Personally, as long as the postseason remains a challenge, I don’t see the problem. Yes, the St. Louis Cardinals were a 90-win team that simply got hot at the right point. Yes, the Phillies won more games. So what?

I don’t think a second wild-card will make a big difference either way. The second wild-card teams route to the WS will run through 3 teams that are all supposed to be better than them. And because of that, they will likely lose. If they aren’t beaten, I’m sure that will be a heck of thing to watch.

Where I do think the game will change is at the trade deadline. I don’t think it is that unusual to see a wild-card team that has a better record than some of the division winners. There are probably a dozen cases where a team misses the playoffs despite having a better record than a division winner. With 5 teams from each league advancing, I think this will happen less frequently, and you will see more teams “going for it” instead of waiting for next year.

#extendZim

by chubias on Jan 30, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

The more rounds of playoffs you have,

the more likely you will have a lesser team get the pennant.

Let’s say you have this scenario: at season’s end, the Phillies have won 101 games, the Braves 98, the Reds 93, the Giants 89, and the Cardinals 87. Under the current system, the playffs would be Phillies/Giants, Reds/Braves with a very possible matchup in the 7-game ALCS of Phillies and Braves — where the winner would be good representative regardless. Under the proposed new system, the Cardinals would play the Braves, and despite the Braves’ overall superior talent, the Cards win the matchup of aces. Or maybe the Braves win, regardless they would still only face the Phillies in the 5-game NLDS, which is nearly always unsatisfying.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 30, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

This is not true.

“The more rounds of playoffs you have, the more likely you will have a lesser team get the pennant.”

This is not strictly true. Imagine your standings, however, instead of having the Braves play the Cardinals, the Giants play the Cardinals. If the wild card was simply a new route to the play-offs, then the 2 teams from each league with the worst record played a single game elimination; the result would decrease the likelyhood of an 87 win team going to the World Series.

We don’t know exactly what the new system would look like so it is impossible to say. However, based on the rumors that we hear:

1. There is every reason to believe that this system will favor division winners because the wild cards will need to spend thier aces in the tie-breaker. Thus, you are less likely to see loafing by comfortable division leaders.

2. Your scenario only works if you assume the following: that one wild card team is dramatically better than the division winners and that one wild card is worse; that the new tie-beaker would only feature wild cards instead of the 2 worst records; and that the winner of the wild card playoff would automatically face the best ranked team insisted of re-seeding based on regular season scheduling.

3. Finally, in your scenario, if the Cardinals were to beat the Braves, Phillies, and Reds, then I think they would have pretty good claim to the WS.

#extendZim

by chubias on Jan 30, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

As indicated

here, in two of the last 12 NL seasons, the second wild card would have gone to a team that was significantly, wildly worse than the “first wild card”. In 2002, the 84-win Astros would have played the 95-win Giants. Imagine if the Stros’ had pulled that one out! The Giants’ great season would end ignominiously in one silly play-in game. And it’s worse in the AL (much worse). In seven(!) of the last 12 years, there has been a difference of at least six games between the two ersatz playoff teams. In 2001, the two teams would have been separated by 17 games! That doesn’t help balance power, that helps poor teams advance in the playoffs.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 30, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, but how do you account for the psychological impact of the knowledge of the 2nd wild card? More teams are going to “go for it” because more teams get that extra chance (even if it’s only one game or whatever), won’t they? And especially at the end of the season you’ll have fewer lame ducks that just stop playing, won’t you?

Of course there’s no way to even remotely quantify this, but the addition of the “hope” x-factor could make things more even than they had been. At the very least, more interesting down the stretch.

by brs03 on Jan 30, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

So what?

You have 9 instances where the wildcards would be divergent over 12 seasons. However, there are 10 times, when teams with better records than the division winners did not make the postseason.

Additionally, I am curious in your 9 instances, what was the difference between the last place division champ and the would be second wild-card?

I’m not saying that the new system will make the playoffs “fair” but this current system is no better. And if this system lets some poor broken down fan in Toronto, Pittsburgh, KC, or lets face it Washington, finally get excited because their team is in the postseason for the first time in 19, 20, 27, or 32 years, then let them play tag on your lawn. You weren’t finished reading that newspaper anyway. All these systems are going to have flaws, the new system isn’t any worse.

#extendZim

by chubias on Jan 30, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

For once I agree with you, Rob

Blame expansion, I guess. BITD there were eight teams in each league. No East, no West, just NL and AL. They played a 154 game schedule, which produced two pennant-winners, then a world series, period. Life was pretty simple.

Now we got 32 teams, with three divisions in each league – and inter-league games thrown in, just for fun. The inevitable result is interminable post-season play. Indeed, we’re becoming like the NBA – or what’s worse, the NHL – where they play two seasons: a long exhibition season (can’t really call it anything else), followed by another season to determine a champion.

What the hell is the alternative? Dunno, maybe a re-organization into two leagues of 16 teams each. No East, Central, West, North, South, or what have you. Just NL and AL, playing a regular season of say, 190 games, with NO inter-league and NO post-season play, apart from a WS.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 30, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Only 30 teams. Soon it’ll two 15 team leagues, as it should be.

by RoscoeNats on Jan 30, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell, I can't keep track anymore

Ye’ gotta be a geography nut to even know where somma these places are. Solve that problem by naming teams after states, instead of cities. Not as bad as NBA and NFL. Yet.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 30, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Odd-sized leagues means all-year interleague play

which is definitely NOT how it should be.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 30, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

32 is a good even-even-even-even-even number

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 30, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

+2^5

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Jan 30, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

This isn't a big obstacle.

Aren’t the Astros moving to the AL? I believe so, and good riddance to them. Here, take the Mariners back while you’re at it. Had no business here anyway.

Hell, teams can be shifted and re-arranged as needed – particularly those in weak markets. When the old AFL and NFL merged, the Colts, Steelers, Browns (now Ravens) were paid money to shift to the new AFC because it was felt they’d lose TV revenue. My point? Organizational obstacles are easily overcome. It’s only money.

The necessary sea change is to do away with all this post-season play, before it effen drowns the game. How do we do it? Here, you figure it out, Rob. You’re a smart guy, now get ’er done.

As for a 190 game schedule…hell, izzat a trick question? Like I can get enough baseball.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 30, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Aren’t the Mariners in the AL?

by RossingtonCollins on Jan 30, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

My bad - I meant the Brewers

who went from AL to NL

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 30, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Spent to many years as a Royals fan to endure a 190 season.

At some point, you have the let team’s go home, lick thier wounds, and talk about the next year.

#extendZim

by chubias on Jan 30, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think a middle ground is OK.

Two teams in each league face off in a seven game championship series, as it was done for a couple of decades. It’s quite reasonable, there will still be plenty of meaningful games, and the teams winning the pennant would have a very strong argument as being the proper representative.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 30, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure we've agreed before

…can’t remember what it was, but I’m sure of it!

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 30, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Twice?

Dunno man. Let’s not push it.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 30, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Trust Me.....

Bilgo Baggins Restaurant has nothing in it related to Sci-Fi, so your wife should feel pretty good about that…….it is actually a rustic, ole’ country pub and restaurant, with an excellent beer and wine selection. Really good food. Great atmosphere. Someone also mentioned King Street Blues, which I agree, is also a nice establishment.

by sullyzz on Jan 30, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, there are drawings of hobbits and other such things on the walls

And for weekend brunch I am partial to “Frodo’s French Toast.” But since hobbits are fond of seven meals a day (when they can get them), the food reflects that appreciation of food. :-)

by d_c_guy on Jan 30, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Luvs' me some elevensies

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 30, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Do they sell waybread sandwiches?

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 30, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the Embassy Suites better than the Hilton too.
Biibo Baggins is great especially since they remodeled and opened up the bar to the dining room. Probably the best beer and wine selection in Alex.
My favorite Alexandria restaurant is LaPorta’s. Nice dining room, great food, great happy hour deals on food and drink, live music 7 nights a week (mostly jazz), and walking distance from the King St. Metro.
Another favorite in Old Town is “219”. Live jazz upstairs and you can smoke a cigar there too!

by PerryMason on Jan 30, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

How 'bout The Wharf?

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 30, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Years ago I closed that place up a time or two, then to Blue & White Carry Out for a pork chop sandwich on the way home

by PerryMason on Jan 30, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

LaPorta’s is on my list of one of the next places I visit…..always wanted to go there, but never have yet. BTW….Does anyone else miss Generous George’s since they moved all the way to Dulles? I sure do!

by sullyzz on Jan 30, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It was great when my kids were little, but I wasn’t a big fan of the pizza

by PerryMason on Jan 30, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Joe Theismann's Restaurant

Good sports restaurant walking distance from the King St. Metro. Lots of big TVs with good game. The food is good.

by HG_VA on Jan 30, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I like the idea

of a one game wild card round. There is also no reason this has to be written in stone. If a couple of years go by and it clearly is a mistake, I hope Baseball would have the wisdom to get ride of it. However, as it stands now I am willing to be open minded about it.

Sharon Marsh "Stan, what did I tell you about being a smart ass?" Stan Marsh "Don't be a smart ass"

John S West Jr

by Adam double bubble on Jan 30, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Any guesses as to the best case scenarios, i.e. Quickest

for any of these guys – Meyers, Solos, Purke, Ray – make it to the big leagues?

by PerryMason on Jan 30, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

I'll go Solis, Purke, Meyers, Ray

Solis pitched at AA and if he can stay healthy (big IF), he could be a September call-up this year. Ray is the youngest, so I think he’ll take the longest. It’s kind of a crap shoot between last year’s draftees, but I’ll guess Purke first because of his upside. Although if Meyers gets moved to the bullpen, he might make it first.

It will be very interesting to see where the ‘11 class begins this season. I’ll guess Potomac for Rendon and Purke and Hagerstown for Meyers and Godwin.

We Aim to Maim - JoseRijo es mi Amigo aka court

by rfk428 on Jan 30, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m really hoping that Rendon is starting in the Nats infield in 2012.

by PerryMason on Jan 30, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

At any point?

Or in the beginning of 2012. Barring injury he’s def gonna be a Sept callup at the latest. Zimm made it up in Sept of his first year, and by all accounts Rendon is a much better pure hitter.

"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon

by wittcap79 on Jan 30, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Zim was Drafted in June, signed immediately and was up in Sept.

He started in A ball, moved to AA then was called up. Maybe we see a similar path for Rendon, assuming he’s 100% healthy of course.

We Aim to Maim - JoseRijo es mi Amigo aka court

by rfk428 on Jan 30, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too

Good ballplayer, and good guy

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 30, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

A similar path to Zimm’s would mean good things for the Nats

by PerryMason on Jan 30, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

They were able to bring him up because their org. was awful.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Jan 30, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

It was their second year of existence…

by RossingtonCollins on Jan 30, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

thats a bit misleading

they were the expos. the team just moved.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Jan 30, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

what difference does it make if the team was awful?
He came up and finished 2nd for ROY (many thought he should have won it).
He wasn’t up because the team was awful he was up because he was ready.

by PerryMason on Jan 30, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

the difference is that Zimmerman is now at 3rd base

So you think Rendon is going to come up and take at bats from Zimm?

Is he going to take at bats from Espinosa?

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Jan 30, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference was Vinny C. was leaving.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Jan 30, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Rendon is blocked at this point

You going to take at bats away from whom? Desmond/Espinosa? I highly doubt that the org is ready to move on either.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Jan 30, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

point is he won't immediately have the impact opportunity that Zimmerman had.

He came at a time where there was opportunity for him to play immediately. the Nats are fortunate that its not true with Rendon. Rendon is probably a quick to majors guy, but there needs to be some shuffling at the MLB level to make that happen, and Desmond and Espinosa still need to exhibit their value.

This year will say lot for the org, but we do not have the open position battles like in the past. the only real position battle is CF.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Jan 30, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t mean I want to see him up this year, I’m saying that I’d like to see him with the Nats next year out of ST.
This of course is if he shows that he is better than either Espinosa or Desmond.

by PerryMason on Jan 30, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmmm…….I am not only on the Dez bandwagon, sometimes I think I am driving it; however, absent some significant improvement, I could totally see those ABs being taken away from Dez, with a shift of Espi to SS. However, I am still holding onto hope that Dez has a remarkable turnaround this year, and lights the park up with the bat. Having said that, I don’t think DC even sees Rendon until sometime mid 2013 at the earliest.

by sullyzz on Jan 30, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

but a path like Zimm had would be almost imposible based on what we have seen with Rizzo moving players through the system. I think that unless Rendon starts at Harrisburg(unlikley per reports) he has no real shot at the majors this season

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Jan 30, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

He played SS at UVA [spits]

because Mark Reynolds was at third

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 30, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Never said it was

Just answering your question. College was the last time Zimm played enough SS to mention.

Lots of guys come up playing one pos, then – for whatever reason, possibly a sharp-eyed manager or coach in the bigs, or some other circumstance – they change. Morse came up as a SS. Harper came up as a catcher. Hell, Mickey Mantle came up as a SS. Ol’ Casey saw him take a couple grounders, walked out and said, “Get to the outfield, kid, and don’t come back.”

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 30, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

If Harper didn't have any real chance to make it up in one year

despite playing a position of need and displaying a rare combination of power and discipline, then I strongly doubt that Rendon — who plays in a locked position, hasn’t played much at all in the last year, and has a lower ceiling than Harper — will have any hope either.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 30, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The age (and, potentially, corresponding mental maturity) gap between the two is not insignificant though.

by brs03 on Jan 30, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Rendon has some more hope of making it in one year

because he has a lot more experience than Harper did, but like I said earlier he would have to start at Harrisburg, and reports say that is unlikley at best

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Jan 30, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I think a September call-up this year for Rendon is not out of the question...

even if he starts in Potomac. If his bat is as advanced as we hope, he could move up to AA pretty quickly. Some scouts don’t think he can play 2B so it will be interesting to see where he plays in the field. LF could also be an option to get him on the field, as well as 1B.

We Aim to Maim - JoseRijo es mi Amigo aka court

by rfk428 on Jan 30, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

If I am remembering right

there has never been a player under Rizzo to go from Potomac to Washington in one season, and when there are articles like this out there, I dont get the impression Rizzo thinks he will be in Washington

http://www.masnsports.com/byron_kerr/2011/12/nationals-believe-rendon-good-enough-to-start-career-with-potomac.html

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Jan 30, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, the Nats have never had a hitting prospect as well regarded as Rendon

While Harper ranks off the charts, he was known to be raw. Rendon is a polished college hitter who’s already one of top prospects in all of baseball without playing a game.

If anyone can do it, a guy like Rendon would be the perfect candidate.

We Aim to Maim - JoseRijo es mi Amigo aka court

by rfk428 on Jan 30, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

There are questions about Rendon

And not just about his shoulder. After his numbers fell off last year (from “otherworldly” to merely “really, really good”) there was some concern that he was a metal bat phenomenon – that his power didn’t make the jump to BBCOR metal bats, and thus wouldn’t translate to wood bat play. Rendon is well regarded, yes – but he never had the hype or upside that Harper has gotten. The next web site that I see that regards Rendon as a better hitting prospect than Harper will be the first one that I’ve seen.

by d_c_guy on Jan 30, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Not better but pretty damn good

If Purke and Rendon had been in the 2012 draft they most likely would have been 2 and three, after Harper, and there would have been serious doubts about who was better. I think any injury that affected his throwing that much would have had an impact on his swing, and probably mostly on his power.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Jan 30, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

By 'well regarded' I meant more polished

Meaning he’s closer to a finished product than Harper.

We Aim to Maim - JoseRijo es mi Amigo aka court

by rfk428 on Jan 30, 2012 6:21 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

As of the time they were drafted, yes

But at this moment in time, Harper is clearly the closer to MLB-ready player.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 30, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

True,

Though that could change quickly, and I think Harper will be in MLB first regardless of readiness because Rizzo likes guys to spend time in the minors. There is also the fact that Rendon will most likely be changing positions. While it won;t be much comfort this season, I still believe a lineup that includes Rendon and Harper will make the team quite competitive offensively in 2013, regardless of who is in CF or at SS.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Jan 30, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

This discussion was about going from A ball to DC in one season.

I think Harper will be up by June. But I also think Rendon has a great chance to be a Sept call-up even if he starts in Potomac.

We Aim to Maim - JoseRijo es mi Amigo aka court

by rfk428 on Jan 30, 2012 7:08 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Long term

I could see Rendon (and I have no evidence to back this up other than he was a undersized awesome hitter in upper echelon DI without a real position) as an Edgar Martinez-guy-you-can’t-keep-out-of-the-line-up-but-he-is-in-the-NL-so-we-have-to-find-a-position-for-him type player. Not saying he has Edgar’s knees, but I bet he can hit.

Harper has the best upside of anyone on the planet. And even if he doesn’t fulfill that, he will still probably be an All-Star.

I can see lots of 2 strike singles, walks, and RBI doubles in the gap from Rendon. Bat him 2-hole, but where do you play him? I don’t know.

by HarmonK on Jan 30, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

One big difference from Edgar

Is that Rendon, by all accounts, is a plus defender.

by d_c_guy on Jan 30, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly, Rendon has a great glove and would be a great glove at 2b or 3.

The scouting reports lamented the fact that his range is somewhat limited, because if it was better, his reaction time and arm would have made him a great SS.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Jan 30, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I will assume you meant Alex Meyer, and not Brad Meyers who we should get back from the Yankees

Quickest would be in this order IMO

Solis, Purke, Ray, Meyer, but I think that you can switch Meyer/Ray very easily.

Upside your probobly looking at something like

Purke, Meyer, Ray, Solis

Solis has the potential to make it in September if he has a good year, Purkes ealiest I think would be Sep next year. Ray and Meyer are both a fair ways away from the majors

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Jan 30, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of Brad

Anyone have a clue how the Yankees bullpen is shaping up? I think they’ll have a hard time carrying him, so hopefully he’s returned.

We Aim to Maim - JoseRijo es mi Amigo aka court

by rfk428 on Jan 30, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

assuming no trades, this is what I got

rotation

Sabathia
Pineda
Kuroda
Nova
Garcia

bullpen
Hughes
Burnett
Joba
Rivera
Soriano
Robertson
Logan

and there are some other guys who would be ahead of Meyers.

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Jan 30, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think the Yankees would have wasted the money on a Rule 5

if they didn’t think he had a chance to make the team. They won’t make “every effort” to keep him, but they won’t just toss him without seeing if he could help.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 30, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think the Yankees saw themselfs getting Kuroda and Pineda

when they took Meyers. Take out one of thoes two and he has a spot, but with them he dosent. I also dont think that Yankees are worried about Rule V money

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Jan 30, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wasted money? Rule 5 is not a lot of money

Certainly not to the Yankees. I agree that the Yankees thought that Meyers had a chance to make the team when they picked him up last Fall. Since then they’ve traded for Pineda and signed Kuroda and Garcia. Even if the Yankees move Burnett (lotsa luck there) the RHRP competition in NY has gotten much tighter since they picked up Meyers.

No matter how you slice it, the math is not on Meyers’s side. I differ a bit from Jeff in that I think that Burnett likely starts in the rotation with Garcia as the long guy in the bullpen. Joba starts the season on the DL (as does Pedro Feliciano – what a waste of money that was). So with a seven man bullpen there are five slots that are nailed down (Mo, Robertson, Soriano, Garcia, Logan). Competing for the two remaining slots are Hughes, Cabral (Rule 5 LHRP), George Kontos, D.J. Mitchell, David Phelps and Cory Wade. Oh, and Meyers. Seven guys for two spots. Phil Hughes is a former top prospect working his way back. Cory Wade was great for the Yankees last year (1.034 WHIP, 2.04 ERA, 6-1 record in 40 games). Cabral is left handed. I think those are your top three. Of the rest, Meyers probably starts ahead of Mitchell but behind Kontos and Phelps on talent, with a very slight push because of his Rule 5 status. The Nationals can’t write him in, but they should be prepared to pencil him into the Syracuse rotation.

by d_c_guy on Jan 30, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It is possible that Meyers has already done everything he was supposed to do, give the Yankees some leverage so as not to appear desperate.

Not that many teams were going to buy the Yankees throwing a Rule 5 in the rotation, though I think Meyers might suprise folks. But clearly the Yankees got more mileage out of thier 2011 rotation than anyone ever expected. So, while they were negotiating they could say “well, we would like X, but we don’t HAVE to add a pitcher.”

This is not to say that I think that Meyers isn’t talented; quite the opposite. But even a little leverage for the Yankees was easily worth a few thousand.

#extendZim

by chubias on Jan 30, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The leverage point is reasonable enough

I will say that the Yankees always viewed Meyers strictly as long relief; there was never much chance that he’d fit into the rotation.

by d_c_guy on Jan 30, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the run-down

Meyers was definitely seen as a long man for this season but with the pickups they’ve made to their rotation, I think who ever loses a spot in the rotation will take Meyers spot in the bullpen.

I predict he’ll be returned during spring training once they’re certain no injuries pop up. The Rule 5 money is pocket change to the Yankees.

We Aim to Maim - JoseRijo es mi Amigo aka court

by rfk428 on Jan 30, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Hughes may be stashed in the rotation at AAA

To keep him ready for starting duty if they move Burnett and Garcia’s renaissance doesn’t translate to 2012.

by d_c_guy on Jan 30, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

MASN is starting to air a series of Nationals Classics tonight

and every Monday through April 16 at 7 pm, except for April 9, which airs after the Reds-Nats game.
Tonight’s game is from July 6, 2010 vs Padres with a walk-off homer by Zim
Something to get me through the rest of the waiting for spring time

by gengreen17 on Jan 30, 2012 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

thanks for posting this

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man

by TJL on Jan 30, 2012 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

reply fail

thanks, gengreen

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man

by TJL on Jan 30, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Off topic, but are we doing a fantasy baseball league again this year?

I’d certainly like to.

We Aim to Maim - JoseRijo es mi Amigo aka court

by rfk428 on Jan 30, 2012 5:39 PM EST reply actions  

So we should be blaming YOU?

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 30, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

i take full blame, which is why i will castigate myself by playing in a money league with two professional fantasy writers (goal is fifth, a free 2013 entry)

by William.Hatheway on Jan 30, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure we will do a league or two again...

Dave from the District Sports Page ran them last year, i’ll ask him about doing them again.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 30, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

No more teams...........

Lets play 162 games to play ONE MORE?……….$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

by artistfork on Jan 30, 2012 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

Anyone else watching the Nats Classics on MASN tonight?

It’s like a weird blast from the past – Nyjer Morgan in CF, Dunn at first, Guzman at 2b, Livo on the mound and Pudge behind the plate.

by d_c_guy on Jan 30, 2012 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

Watching now

Thanks for the tip!

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 30, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Plenty of guys here I do not miss

But damn, I will miss Livan.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 30, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

fixed -- Nyjer steps in

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Jan 31, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

One out

Nobody on, Nyger hustles his nuts then screws himself into the ground sticking out swinging

by PerryMason on Jan 30, 2012 9:42 PM EST reply actions  

Oops… that would be “striking” out, not “sticking” out

by PerryMason on Jan 30, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Weird - Capps on the mound for the Nats

And both Jerry Hairston and Matt Stairs with the Padres

by d_c_guy on Jan 30, 2012 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

Terrible base running… He missed timed his steps turning 3rd and was out by a mile

by PerryMason on Jan 30, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice to see a catcher who can handle a relay throw

Hammer to Desmond to Pudge to nail Jerry Hairston at the plate! FOTF to lead off the bottom of the 9th! I have a good feeling about this game …

by d_c_guy on Jan 30, 2012 9:54 PM EST reply actions  

Nice job, Ryan

Looking forward to/Hoping for a healthy season from Ryan this year. MOAR WALKOFFS!

by d_c_guy on Jan 30, 2012 9:59 PM EST reply actions  

This game was a sobering reminder

…that from time to time, and for no apparent reason, Clippard takes spells of flat-out ineffectiveness.

…that we are immeasurably better off with Espinosa in the middle infield, Nyjer in another city, and Riggleman out of our dugout.

…that despite his prickishness, Dibble was way better than FP will ever be.

…and that all the Rendons in the world notwithstanding, if Rizzo doesn’t make Zimm a Nat for life – and soon – he is nuts.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 31, 2012 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

Don't care to expound on which three, do you?

I myself am very open to allowing Zimmerman to walk under certain circumstances. Specifically (1) he proves himself fragile again this year, and (2) Rendon plays a top-line hot corner in 2012 A – AAA, and (3) Zim’s salary demands become untenable. At this point the Nats can step back and ask whether signing him up “for life” will really be in the team’s better interests.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 31, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Boo! Boo! Boo this man for even entertaining the thought.

No, you don’t have to boo. I get it, Rob. But boy would I hate to see him go.

If I had to lay down any bets on DC’s disagreement, it would be the Dibble vs. FP equation….

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!

by ricksnats on Jan 31, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

If #2 but not #1 and #3 then I assume you would want to move Rendon to another position and resign Zimm, correct?

by PerryMason on Jan 31, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Or get a top-flight starter/center fielder for him.

And I mean, top flight.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 31, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

By "him" I mean Rendon.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 31, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Assuming # 2 and Zimm is resigned because he healthy and doesn’t ask for the moon (which I don’t see him doing) then I think it’s more likely and better that Rendon plays second paired with either Espi or
Ian and the Nats pick up a FA CF’er. That could be a pretty slick team there.

by PerryMason on Jan 31, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It could be

but the Nats’ biggest needs right now are in CF and 1B. Then SP. MI’s they got.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 31, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

There are FA CF’ers available in 2012. That doesn’t seem to me to be a big problem (not to mention there are also some possibilities within the organization).
I think Morse will be at first next year (after finishing 2011 there).
So the question is what sticks will they have playing at short and second.
My money is on Rendon being one of them. (and I agree with Whup that Espinoza ends up as the Nats SS of the future).
Hopefully Ryan Zimmerman plays his entire career as a Nat.

by PerryMason on Jan 31, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh! I forgot to mention that I think that starting pitching will be the least of their worries.

by PerryMason on Jan 31, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If Purke is the real deal then that is certainly the case.

Stras, Gio, Zim(nn), Purke….. that could be one hell of a rightly lefty mix.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Jan 31, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

If Zimm is allowed to walk, the baseball gods will surely fling us into hell. Zimm must stay.

And this does not block Rendon.

If the young’n pans out as expected, a more likely scenario is that Desmond gets traded – possibly as part of a deal for that CF we need so badly – Espy moves to SS (and we would not lose a thing in that trade-off), and 2B becomes open for Rendon. If Zimm goes to the DL (as has been known to happen), Rendon’s there to fill in at the hot corner, with Lombardozzi or a player-to-be-named filling in at 2B.

Desmond remains the best active position-player we have that we can “afford” to trade.

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 31, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

If Zim wants 8/yrs $175M

I say, good luck sir.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 31, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

But do you thin anyone would give him that?

Or do you think that merely by letting him get to free angency that the Nats would have fouled the waters enough to no longer be a contender in the bidding?

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Jan 31, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It's all pretty hypothetical

but you’ve got to imagine that he’s thinking big after seeing what Pujols, Fielder, Braun, and Tulowitzki signed for in the last 10 months.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 31, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The gods would cast us into hell, I tell ye' - every damn last one of us, and deservedly so

My word, what would the Braves or Phillies not give for our Ryan Zimmerman? 8/175? Hah! In a friggin’ heartbeat.

Rob, you flirt with disaster – and far worse than sport or financial. You stand on the beach, before you an angry ocean of bad kharma – a damning legacy to rival the Bambino Curse – and you stand there, with your eyes covered.

Thou fool. Have you taken leave of your senses? No, I say!

Let us speak no more of this. [exits, stage right]

"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford

by Whupass on Jan 31, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

[Crowd leaps to applause. "Encore!"]

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 31, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Bravo!!!

"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."

by cat daddy3000 on Jan 31, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Why?

Just because he is possibly the best 3rd baseman in major league baseball?

by PerryMason on Jan 31, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

#hethrowsweird

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 31, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

His new motion on throws made when he has lots of time is Mike Marshallesque, but it looked like he got it over the hang of it and by the end of the year I wasn’t crossing myself whenever he threw after a two hopper.
On throws he has to get off quickly or off balance there may be no one better.

by PerryMason on Feb 1, 2012 7:15 AM EST up reply actions  

We've got to admit,

he’s not. Longoria is better. He’s probably the best in the NL though.

Rob

--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

by RobBobS on Jan 31, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I know that’s the consensus. I wish I could see Longoria more. But even if that’s the case, 2nd best in the majors ain’t too shabby.

by PerryMason on Feb 1, 2012 7:21 AM EST up reply actions  

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