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Wire Taps: The Washington Nationals, Prince Fielder, Scott Boras And The Rumors That Won't Die.

TOKYO - DECEMBER 15:  Prince Fielder of the Milwaukee Brewers visits Minamisuna Junior High School as part of the Major League Baseball (MLB) International Ambassador program to promote the game of baseball on December 15 2010 in Tokyo Japan.  (Photo by Kiyoshi Ota/Getty Images)

Baltimore Sun writer Dan Connolly speculated this weekend, in an article entitled, "Boras and Fielder did not meet with Angelos on free agent tour", that since "an industry source" told him Prince Fielder and Scott Boras had visited the Washington/Baltimore area without seeing Orioles' owner Peter Angelos, "... they likely spoke with representatives of the Lerner family, principal owners of the Washington Nationals." MASNSports.com's Phil Wood wrote yesterday, in an article entitled, "I wouldn't be surprised", that he knows, "... Fielder and agent Scott Boras met with Rizzo and Lerner on their recent tour," and wouldn't be surprised if the 27-year-old slugger ended up in D.C." The Nationals, of course, have remained mum on the subject, with Nats' general manager Mike Rizzo consistently downplaying the rumors without closing the door on the possibility.

FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal wrote about the Nationals and Fielder on Monday...

Star-divide

... in an article entitled, "Money no issue as Nats pursue Fielder", and came to the conclusion that though the Nats might prefer a shorter-term deal and Fielder and Boras will of course seek the maximum amount, "The solution for both sides — in fact, for any Fielder suitor — might be an opt-out clause after three or four years," which would give Washington a game-changing bat and give the hard-hitting first baseman a chance to reenter free agency in three or four years.

On Twitter this morning, the FOXSports.com writer (@Ken_Rosenthal) discussed how an unnamed baseball "exec" had objected to the idea of an "opt-out" working since it only benefits the player. "Exec's point is that club assumes all risk. If player performs, he's gone. If player fails or is injured, he won't opt out," Mr. Rosenthal writes, "In any case, many in industry believe that Boras wants opt-out for Prince. From their perspective, makes all the sense in the world." Why does it make sense? The bow-tied FOXSports.com reporter later explained in a series of tweets:

"A mutual one after 3 or 5 years COULD benefit both sides. Team could back-load deal and pay massive buyout if it opts out, maybe even year's salary. That way, it would eat only one year's salary as opposed to multiple years while getting maximum benefit (through lower salaries) from early years of deal. No idea whether Boras/Fielder would go for such a concept."

Washington Post writer Dave Sheinin appeared on the MLB Network Radio show Power Alley with Jim Duquette and Kevin Kennedy this morning, where the WaPost writer reiterated that we're unlikely to hear about any negotiations between the Nationals, Fielder and Boras if any discussions are taking place. "First of all," Mr. Sheinin said, "We have an owner in Washington, Ted Lerner, who is essentially invisible. He doesn't do any media. He's barely seen in public, so there's this whole air of mystery around him and you know the way Scott [Boras] operates...If this is going on, it's going on largely between Scott Boras and Ted Lerner and we're not going to hear anything."

"The Nationals' baseball ops people are saying, 'We're not really in on him,' 'Not at these prices,' and yada yada, but the fact is this could be taking place above their heads if it's taking place at all. So, the fact that we're not hearing anything concrete out of Washington I don't think means anything either way." The Lerners, however, the Washington Post writer pointed out, "...have a history of jumping in on big-ticket items."

"They did it with Mark Teixeira a few years ago and ultimately didn't get him," Mr. Sheinin said, "but offered what was the highest AAV at the time and then they obviously jumped in on Jayson Werth last year and got him. And so, I think they're viewed as someone who's liable to do just about anything. And then the longer this thing goes on and Prince Fielder's available, I think that the Lerner's relationship with Boras and the fact that this guy could be the difference for the Nationals between contending and not contending and that history there, suggests that the longer it goes on, the more the Nationals are in it."

The last word from the Nationals, of course, came from D.C. GM Mike Rizzo in an MLB Network Radio interview last week in which he told host Mike Ferrin that the team planned on heading into Spring Training with a healthy Adam LaRoche at first base in the second year of the 2-year/$16M dollar deal he signed last winter unless something extraordinary or "out of the ordinary" happened. In spite of all the rumors, and apparent lack of suitors for Fielder, the Nationals haven't publicly said anything to lead one to believe they're in the mix for Fielder though one anonymous player and countless reports have them in the market. With an "invisible" owner and a leakproof front office, there probably won't be any confirmation until someone tweets that Fielder has signed somewhere. Until that time, the rumors will continue...

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Waiting for Darvish (18 Jan) seems not realistic. Otherwise, this topic has been hashed to death. Let’s wait and see.

by JamesFan on Jan 3, 2012 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

Guess you'll have to forgive or not if I don't just wait and see...

I tend to not assume that everyone’s read everything there is out there, so I think I’ll continue to mull it over based on any new rumors.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

and yes

you should be writing about it. its the talk around baseball. I am tired of it however, and just want PF to sign.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Jan 3, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Zuckerman makes the best argument

and supports what I have been generally saying the entire time.

I also think the examples of Teixiera and Werth are the useless. The fact that the Nats have a “history of jumping in on big-ticket items” ignores the fact that they were in a different financial place now than then. If they had gotten Teixiera, would they have been in on Werth. Now that they have Werth does that mean they can throw the same money at another player? You are talking 50 mil between two players vs the 25 mil for one.

I know thats an obvious comment, but why is it so ignored across the industry.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Jan 3, 2012 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

It doesnt matter – I’d still be pretty shocked if the Nats end up with PF and probably most Nats fans would also. I thought the Zuckerman article made the most sense too – although it did ignore the potential of trade moves of both LaRoche and Morse (one more likely than the other). Obviously IMO- I think the whole rumour mill at the moment is based on Boras driving up the price on the very very few remaining bidders. The fact that this process is taking so long speaks volumes to me that its not going right to plan for the big guy.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Jan 3, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

$50M between two players and eventually $65-$70 between 3 if/when they extend Zimmerman...then Strasburg, Harper, etc. It's a LOT of money in the near future...

And I have an equally hard time believing the Nats are going to make that sort of jump in payroll.

I think Zuckerman’s article is by far the best breakdown of all the pros and cons.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me sum up my thoughts on Fielder

I really want Prince on the Nats, but I would be pissed if I ever saw Zim, Zimm, Stras, or Harp playing for another team in the next 10 or so years(assuming everything goes as hoped/assumed with thoes 4). ALR is a great 1B if he means we keep zim.

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Jan 3, 2012 2:56 PM EST reply actions  

There seems to be a commonly held presumption that Harper is bolting for the pinstripes ASAP

Which would be after 2017 if Harper is on the roster Opening Day. If the Nationals start the season with him in Syracuse but call him up after a month or so, then he wouldn’t be eligible for free agency until after 2018 – but likely would get an extra fourth year of arbitration. So to call him up after the first month or so wouldn’t cost the team service time, just $$. If he’s called up after July 1 or so* then Harper would only be eligible for arbitration for 2016, 2017 and 2018.

*It’s unclear when the “Super 2” cutoff will fall under the new CBA, but it’s clear that it will be later than the timeframe under the old CBA, typically late May.

by d_c_guy on Jan 3, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont belive that Harper will bolt for the Yankees

as long as we are willing to pay fair market value for him when that time comes

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Jan 3, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I think guessing who stays or goes five or six years from now is pretty silly

Certainly from a fan perspective. Players get hurt, flame out, or (on the plus side) develop ties to a community that you really can’t predict this far out. I can see why (given his Yankee fandom and, shall we say, comfort with his level of notoriety) Harper might be interested in going to NY now. In 2019? Who knows?

by d_c_guy on Jan 3, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

The “bolt to the Yankees” camp is based on statements Harper made as a 17-year-old. If I carried out in my mid-to-late-20s what I said when I was 17, my life would be quite a bit different, and I most likely wouldn’t be on this thread…

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Jan 3, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

History shows...

That Boras likes his clients to enter free agency because they get the most money in a competitive bidding atmosphere. There is no reason to expect anything less from Harper, Strasburg, etc.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Jan 3, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Jared Weaver shows that Boras works for his clients not the other way around.

I don’t expect the same from Strasburg or Harper, but it is not impossible and there are good reasons to sign extensions. Everyone knows that you are going to get more money in free agency, but it carries more risk. If you are injured, or don’t produce at the same rate, then you could lose millions.

by chubias on Jan 3, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Harper is our main competing interest for Fielder.

Werth’s contract is up in 2017, so we could afford to pay him after the 2017 season. However, there are any number of other players that will become increasingly expensive over the next 3-4 years. Combined this with the fact that adding Gio and Fielder would hopefully decrease our draft position which would likely reduce our ability to effectively recruit cheap replacements for Ramos, Espinosa, Zimmermann, the Nationals will have a number of other budgetary concerns.

However, I am curious to see if the Nationals will be able to Boras Boras& Co. As Patrick correctly noted earlier, the Nationals have other options besides Fielder, and could afford to wait another season for a fully healthy Strasburg. I’m not sure that Fielder has similar options. I suppose the Rangers might be involved, but the other teams mentioned don’t seem to make sense. The Blue Jays are building a good team, but they are still a couple years away from contending. The Mariners and Cubs seem to be in a similar place. Perhaps this will allow the Nationals to bring Fielder in a more reasonable price with some creative contract options.

by chubias on Jan 3, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Ladson:

@washingnats: #Nats meet with Boras, in running to sign Prince http://t.co/x4ydrfBP
#MLB

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 3:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I read that, but couldn’t tell if anything he was saying was anything but a rehash of what’s already out there.

by dc Roach on Jan 3, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Think the first line is the only new addition...

As far as I’ve read (as noted above) I don’t think anyone but Phil Wood has written til now confirming that Nats met w/ Boras and Prince. Everything else is rehashed.

“The Nationals are in the Prince Fielder sweepstakes, according to a baseball source, and ownership recently visited with Fielder’s agent, Scott Boras, in the nation’s capital.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 3:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

is it really?

I read that the first line is most likely a reference to the Boras/Fielder tour that didn’t include Baltimore but clearly included DC. That visit was common knowledge. All he’s done is confirmed it and that it included ownership, which a meeting of this kind logically would. The only difference here is that he makes it sound like he’s doing some reporting rather than just confirming a what others have said for days.

by dc Roach on Jan 3, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

"That visit was common knowledge."

Until the Baltimore Sun writer posted that where was it common knowledge? Even he only speculated that the meeting took place.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 4:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Twitter spotted Prince in Georgetown

fwiw

We Aim to Maim - JoseRijo es mi Amigo aka court

by rfk428 on Jan 3, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

So there's no difference between twitter rumor (sans pics), speculation that he was in DC/Baltimore area...

… and didn’t go to Baltimore and a baseball source through the MLB beat writer for the team telling him that a meeting with ownership, Boras and Fielder took place?

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think all this is a smoke/fire scenerio

Nothing in and of itself is all that conclusive, but the combination of the Sun rumors, DC sighting, and the report from Tom Hardicourt in MIL leads me to believe the Nats are interested and have talked with Boras.

Reading the tea leaves is what’s fun!

We Aim to Maim - JoseRijo es mi Amigo aka court

by rfk428 on Jan 3, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I too am a fan of tasseography.

Still can’t believe how wrong I was on Darvish leaves. (ToT)

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, everything previous to this article was “speculation”, but is anyone here at all surprised by Ladson’s relevation? Is there anything new? If not, we’re in “common knowledge” territory.

The Lerners aren’t going to spend $20M per year without being personally involved, so I don’t consider that information news. Kudos to Ladson for putting his name behind the rumor of a meeting and turning it into fact.

and I think rfk was trying to make the point that Connolly’s speculation was strengthened by at least one independent report of Fielder visiting D.C. specifically during that time period.

by dc Roach on Jan 3, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Assumptions and facts are not the same thing...even on the internet.

If Ladson quoted an actual person saying it that would solve all the problems.

Until then an off the record source saying it is the next closest thing to a fact.

Assuming that since someone on the internet told someone they saw Fielder in Georgetown, (that counts as an “independent report”?) and assuming that since Prince and Boras were in the area and didn’t meet with the O’s that they must have met with the Nationals and thus the owners must have been involved is assumption at every level.

Of course we all I assumed it, that’s why I wrote six different posts over the last four days putting the same things you’re quoting back to me together. Putting your name to it like you say is another step up from Twitters rumors and speculation.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry, I forgot to use facetious font when talking about “fact” :)

by dc Roach on Jan 3, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

If only the Twitterer who saw had taken a picture...

Or called the restaurant they were at or etc., etc., we could have been past all this weeks ago.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Cafe Milano's on 12/18...

according to a celeb hunter’s tweet. Can’t find any pics.

We Aim to Maim - JoseRijo es mi Amigo aka court

by rfk428 on Jan 3, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

who is calling cafe milano!

Odd story but I met Sammy Sosa there one time.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Jan 3, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Short guy.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Jan 3, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's the Tweet by

LINK: @CelebrityQandA:

ALERT Baseball Superstar Prince Fielder getting a meal at Georgetown’s Cafe Milano last night – will he sign with the #Nationals #DMV…”

All I’m saying is I read this and referenced it it in several link posts, and the NatsEnquirer folks have mentioned it several times, but until today not even an anonymous source had gone on the record to say they were in fact meeting with the team’s owners though we all assumed it was so.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh

And the quote from the baseball source is probably someone who heard about the fan tweet and filled in the rest.

by d_c_guy on Jan 3, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

And I did not intend to insult Collin (@CelebrityQ&A) but even he doesn't say clearly "I saw Prince..."

Or take a picture.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

What makes Ladson's piece so ironically magnificent

Is that, four days earlier, Ladson’s Nationals Look to Turn Corner as Calendar Flips included this gem in the countdown of 10 questions to consider:

10. Who is playing first base for the Nationals?

Without a doubt, it’s going to be Adam LaRoche, who has one more year left on his contract. LaRoche missed most of 2011 with an injured left shoulder, but he is expected to be 100 percent by Spring Training. If LaRoche is not ready to play, look for Michael Morse to get the nod. There are many fans who want the Nationals to sign free-agent first baseman Prince Fielder, but he is not on the team’s radar screen.

Ladson never mentioned the earlier quote, much less indicated that anything had changed over the weekend. It was a thing of beauty :-)

by d_c_guy on Jan 3, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a whole other story...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Ladson, the one who was saying no chance earlier. Ladson could be a pretty good reporter, if he didnt take evrything he hears as fact

MOAR SEVERINO!

by jeff550 on Jan 3, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely a change in what Ladson's been saying...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 3:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I trust what he says though when he’s reporting facts from a source. Not surprised he got ahead of this. This probably means there’s some real action. I hope it means we’re helping Boras with his market or that the price is coming down. 7 or 8 years of prince at 25M is too much for me.

Waiting to bang my drum in parades for the Nats and Caps.

by souldrummer on Jan 3, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

6 would be just fine though.

and I think he will outperform Pujols over the majority of those 6 years.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Jan 3, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

it's certainly possible

but like the Angels I’d be betting that 2011 was just an odd down year for Pujols

by dc Roach on Jan 3, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Ladson could be a pretty good reporter

If he just did everything he does differently.

Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!

by Pig.Pen on Jan 3, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He just makes some ridiculous statements

I have no idea how hard it is to work in his field, but his basic assumptions (players the team may have interest in etc.) are not normally in the ballpark. So his conclusions are generally unfounded, though his “facts” tend to be correct because he has decent sources.

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Jan 3, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

goodbye crisp

doh

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Jan 3, 2012 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

Dobbs too apparently...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Dobbs to Miami according to @ClarkSpencer via @JonHeymanCBS

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I just want to post this ridiculous image, courtesy of Big League Stew

Guess what, both those guys were the most famous when they lived in DC.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Jan 3, 2012 6:55 PM EST reply actions  

BLS shoulda credited Kilgore with the quote though...

Washington Post writer Adam Kilgore examined a potential deal for Fielder in a Nationals Journal post entitled, “On Prince Fielder and the Nationals”, and spoke to Scott Boras, who teasingly said his client could be described as, “… a combination of Henry Kissinger and Frank Howard,’” because, “Boras said. ‘He’s got brute strength power. He’s a diplomat in the locker room.’”

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, looks like they changed the credit from this morning when I originally read it...

And correctly credited it to the WaPost’s Mr. Kilgore.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Jan 3, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Any updates

Signn Prince !! please!! lol

so was he really in Georgetown last night..? how and If these rumors r false ..how can someone play with our minds like this and make it up? can we please sign him and move forward..he is going to do so much good for the Nats..

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