Washington Nationals: No Prince Fielder, But An Extended Ryan Zimmerman? Bryce Harper In RF?
What if the Washington Nationals opened the 2012 season with a newly-extended Ryan Zimmerman at third and the next-generation Face of the Franchise Bryce Harper in right field? D.C. GM Mike Rizzo told reporters last week that the reason the team decided to entertain thoughts of signing Prince Fielder was the belief that with the addition of the big slugging first baseman, "We thought we saw an opportunity to really improve ourselves, to accelerate our improvement curve by the signing of the player. We thought that it was a good fit for us. We loved the player, so we did our due diligence and went through the process and met with him." Fielder, of course, ended up signing in Detroit for 9-years/$214M dollars, which was more than the Nats were willing to commit to a player many see headed for a DH role long before that deal with the Tigers ends...
The Nationals had a stated goal of adding a pitcher and a center fielder/leadoff hitter this winter. The general manager admitted that the interest in Fielder, "... varied from what we thought we were going to do at the beginning of the season, but we thought it was a good opportunity to really accelerate our program and take us to a different level." Having failed to find the top-of-the-order-type outfielder they were after, and having missed out on what most consider a once-in-a-generation-type slugger, what do the Nats see themselves doing this season? Is this the "We can contend if..." season before the 2013 campaign in which they think they can really compete?
If Ian Desmond puts it all together finally. If Danny Espinosa continues to improve on what he did last season. If Wilson Ramos' development continues. If Michael Morse's late-career resurgence continues. If Ryan Zimmerman stays healthy for a full season. If Jayson Werth rebounds and plays like the Werth Washington thought they'd signed. If Adam LaRoche comes back at 100% and provides the Nationals with the, "... 25 [HR's] and 85 [RBI's] [and] Gold Glove-caliber," defense Rizzo said he's expecting. If Stephen Strasburg avoids any setbacks. If Jordan Zimmermann takes another step. If Gio Gonzalez cuts down on the walks, Chien-Ming Wang's shoulder is fully-recovered, John Lannan's able to keep his fastball down, Tyler Clippard's invis-ball remains invisible, Ross Detwiler has a breakout year...
There are a lot of ifs. Davey Johnson thinks the Nationals are ready to butt heads with the Phillies, Marlins and Braves for NL East supremacy as they're currently composed. Before any talk of Prince Fielder, the skipper was telling reporters as he did earlier this winter that the goal in 2012 was, "A pennant. Winning the pennant. Winning the division. Winning the National League."
"I couldn't have said that last Spring," the manager continued, "I didn't think the talent was ready, but after being there and seeing the progress that some of the young players made, I think we definitely can contend and I would be sorely disappointed if we didn't do just that." When Johnson was asked if he thought the outfielder Washington was after was out there this winter in an interview on 106.7 the FAN, the manager correctly predicted that, "I don't foresee us doing that in the free agent market," which they haven't yet, and asked about the idea of adding a big middle-of-the-order bat like Fielder's this winter, the 68-year-old veteran of 13 MLB seasons as a player and 15 as a manager said, "I think you've got to answer the question about how good are the guys you've got? They need to be up playing and playing at their top level. Then you think about adding somebody, that's the formula. You don't go out and do it, spend a lot of money right now to get some big masher."
The Nationals tried to get that masher, but didn't. The GM still thinks their offense can improve on the .242/.309/.383 line they posted as a team last season. "The talent's there," Johnson said in late October, "obviously we've got to do better than we did in certain areas. Offensively, [we] struck out too much, tried to do too much, didn't make pitchers throw the ball in the strike zone, didn't hit the fastball as well as we should have, a mountain of things, a few things defensively, but I think we definitely can get there and a good Spring Training and a good start...I like the way we stack up against everybody in our division."
"I think that with the maturation of our young core of Ramos getting better, Espinosa getting better, Desi getting better," the Nats' GM explained last week, "... just by maturing and playing another season and with the continued success of Morse, LaRoche getting better, Zim playing a full season and Jayson coming back to his career norms, I think we have addressed the offensive part and we do have a power left-handed bat by the name of Bryce Harper in the wings, waiting to be fully-developed and help us on the big league level."
Davey Johnson thinks Harper's likely ready now, as he's said all winter.
CBSSports.com's Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) wrote this afternoon that he'd, "Heard again Davey Johnson really wants Bryce Harper starting the year with #Nats as the RF." And according to ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, the Nationals, having missed out on Fielder, can, "... now turn their attention to wrapping up an extension with Ryan Zimmerman, which could happen any time now," which is what beat writers in D.C. heard last week, and then the Nats can find the CF they need next winter, when even Rizzo's stated the options are better. Would Fielder have made the Nats a contender immediately? Maybe. Were they already headed that way without him? The GM, manager and Face of the Franchise seem to think so. You?
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wow, my vote Yes - 5 votes No..........
JonHeymanCBS: heard again davey johnson really wants bryce harper starting the year with #nats as the rf
HA!!!
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."
Ask this question after some spring training, then I’ll answer.
by RossingtonCollins on Jan 31, 2012 10:30 PM EST reply actions
"Will he be...", or "Should he be...."?
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
"Will", we can change the wording for another poll...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 31, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
"Davey Johnson Wants Harper in Right Field"
Headline at Daily Dish….
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."
by cat daddy3000 on Jan 31, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing about Livo signing with the Astros?
I’ll miss his 58 mph junk
some in the comments of other articles
private goodbyes, you know…
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."
by cat daddy3000 on Jan 31, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
It's a shame he won't get into the batter's box anymore
Man lays a pretty bunt.
Sniff...snuffle...wahhhhhhh.......
I’m STILL mourning the loss of Livo.
I KNOW I should be happy/relieved that there’s no legitimate spot in the starting rotation for Livo, BUT…BUT…but I STILL FEEL SAD & WISTFUL….he was the MOST JOYFUL player, truly still playing like the happiest kid on the playground. And his wiliness will be missed.
And the first time I see Lannan try…and MISS…to lay down a bunt, I will howl and shed tears for Livo. (grumble, grumble, Lannan, grumble. Hurry up Solis or Purke!)
MR. NATIONAL HAS LEFT THE BUILDING.
Long live Livo, LIVO, Livo!
Hope he has huge success in Houston (lord knows they need it!)
"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011
by MissB on Feb 1, 2012 10:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd......
"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."
by cat daddy3000 on Feb 1, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'll miss Livo
but not the eternal “will today be Good Livo or Bad Livo” watch. Despite his offer, I never thought he’d work out as a long man. I just wish he could have imparted some of his knowledge of fielding, hitting, and bunting to the rest of the staff (I’m looking at YOU, Bambi!)
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
anybody catch the MASN Nats classic yesterday?
from July 6, 2006 vs the Fish. Zim’s rookie season and already called Mr. Walkoff.
That was before he singled in the winning run in the 11th inning.
Soriano, Jose Guillen, Alex Ecsobar in OF, Zim, Royce Clayton, Jose Vidro and Nick Johnson, with Schnieder catching. Darrel Ward actually got a pinch hit., they said he was 10 out of 30 in pinch hit ABs. Livo, Rausch, the Chief, Bray, Majeski among pitchers.
A trip down memory lane for sure.
What ever happened to Alex Escobar?
i watched the one on monday
astounding how much the roster had changed, only 3 starters remain from a game this decade.
Watching that game also made me realize why i want to throw something at bob carpenter. I hadnt been able to put my finger on it before but its the constant questions over the air, some rhetorical but most sound not. its almost as if hes trying to learn the game of baseball as he goes. also, in retrospect, maybe dibble wasnt that bad during a game. him willing zim’s ball over the cf with the pure power of his machismo is something
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man
by TJL on Feb 1, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
boy, my post got shortened somehow
it replayed during the day and was from July 6, 2006, Zim’s rookie season.
Sutton got on my nerves and Carp hasn’t changed.
whatever happened to Alex Escobar? he was in center.
Royce Clayton at SS, Vidro, Nick Johnson, Jose Guillen, Soriano, Brian Schnieder.
FRobby vs the Fish. Livo, Majeski, Rausch, Bray, trip down memory lane for sure
called Zim Mr. Walkoff even then, so of course he singled home the winning run in the 11th.
And it was at RFK, too
The only things I miss about RFK were the bouncing stands and the white painted seats in the OF upper deck where Frank Howard had hit home runs.
I miss the short lines for cheap sausages and easy parking
… but that’s about it.
and Ray King
For some reason I miss watching the big lefty come in and get winded after his three pitches per game.
The bouncing stands will always hold a spot in my heart.
But that is not because of the Nats. I miss the days of JKK.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
The fries were good, but overall I prefer the concessions at Nats Park
And it’s not close.
I miss RFK, too
That park had character.
I loved the bouncing seats – I remember late in 2005 when the Nats were still struggling for contention. My father (a Braves fan) had come to visit and we went to a Braves vs. Nats game at RFK. I got us seats in the bouncy section and had a lot of fun there. The Braves took a big early lead but then the Nats made a huge comeback against the Braves awful bullpen. I think that was the first time the seats had bounced in several weeks since the Nats were in the midst of their late slide.
And then the Chief came out in the 9th to close the game agains the Braves and I and the rest of the stadium went nuts during King Nothing and the entire 9th inning. There wasn’t too much hope of coming back to make the playoffs, but there was still just a sliver.
Easily my favorite Nats game until June 8, 2010.
I was under the impression they were only showing Nats Classics on Monday nights. Are they on every night.
I would have enjoyed seeing Majeski… I was a big fan. To bad he got hurt, he coulda been a contender!
they repeat games during the day sometimes
from the original slate of Nats classics. I just happened upon it yesterday.
That linked article says Harper played catcher and infield?
What infield position did he play?
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
I'm pretty sure that he played almost every position on the field at the prep level.
But his only experience at high levels has been at catcher (JC) and outfield (A, AA).
BREAKING NEWZ!!!!
Davey Johnson wants Bryce Harper to start the year with the Big Club.*
*This is the same newz that was reported last October that we will continue to report until opening day.
Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!
No you're missing the subtle distinction...
Yes, Davey’s said it before, but this time, someone heard from someone else that Davey had said something that we’ve heard him say before…
#triestoholdstraightface
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 1, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions

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