Wire Taps: Washington Nationals, Prince Fielder Rumor Roundup, Mike Rizzo's Response To Rumors.
It's hard, these days, to find anyone who doesn't think the Washington Nationals and Prince Fielder are destined to agree on a deal. ESPN.com writers Buster Olney and Jim Bowden both wrote articles this morning examining the pros and cons of adding the 27-year-old, 5'11'', 275 lb, slugging first baseman and his .282/.390/.540 career line to the Nationals' lineup. FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, in his latest free agency update, said it's always hard to tell with negotiations involving Scott Boras, "But this much we know, the Washington Nationals are in, just as people in baseball suspected all along that they would be."
The FOXSports.com reporter puts the Mariners and Cubs in the mix as well, though Seattle doesn't have much to offer competitively and Chicago's reportedly not willing to go more than five years, and Mr. Rosenthal wonders, "... if anyone else has the level of interest that we've seen from the Nationals and the Mariners," saying, "... that is the great unknown." Asked for his prediction for how many years and how much money Fielder will eventually get, Rosenthal said, "I would expect 8 x 25, $200 million with opt-outs and all kinds of bells and whistles."
ESPN.com's Jim Bowden, in an article entitled, "Five reasons Nationals need Fielder", offered five reasons why the Nationals should sign Fielder. Bowden points out the opportunity signing the slugger provides for the Nats to become a contender now, solve their run-scoring problems, reward Ted Lerner* with a winner, provide a great clubhouse leader and example for the Nats' young stars and finally add another star and drawing card to a roster that already includes Ryan Zimmerman and Stephen Strasburg and one day soon will feature Bryce Harper.
-- ed. note - " * = New York Post writer Joel Sherman too wrote that the Nationals' motivation for thinking big the last few years was to provide the Nats' owners with a winner. In an October 14th article entitled, "If Sabathia opts out of contract, Yankees will have competition", Mr. Sherman suggested that the "ill-fated Jayson Werth deal" won't keep Washington from going for it this winter, because, as he put it, "The Nats believe they are on the verge of being a winner and can become a big-market team if they are regular contenders,":
"Plus the same situation that instigated the Werth signing -- an aging owner, Ted Lerner, who wants results now and an ambitious son, Mark, who wants to put his stamp on the team, remain."
Of course, Mr. Sherman was talking about the Nationals possibly pursuing CC Sabathia if he opted out of his contract with the Yankees, though the New York Post writer did note at the time (in October) that, "... there is an expectation that Washington's big money this offseason is targeted toward Prince Fielder."
ESPN.com's Buster Olney weighed the pros and cons of Prince in the nation's capital, in his own article entitled, "Washington's end game for Fielder." In the ESPN.com analyst's opinion, add Fielder to the Nats' lineup and, "This might be the best lineup in the National League, and if the Nationals' rotation "Big Three" -- Jordan Zimmermann, Gio Gonzalez and Stephen Strasburg -- all stay healthy," Mr. Olney writes, "this team could be good enough to play deep into the postseason." In addition, adding Fielder would make the Nats a more desirable destination for future free agents, provide them with a relatively young leader on a young team and boost the interest in the team nationwide.
The cons, as Mr. Olney sees them, enormous long-term deals for Fielder (or any player) often become "major problems" for major league teams toward the end of those deals. The signing, Mr. Olney notes, eliminates the position as an option for Ryan Zimmerman should the Nats want to move him from the hot corner over the length of Fielder's deal, however long it might be. Fielder's defense, "already considered subpar by a lot of scouts," as the ESPN.com writer notes, isn't likely to get better as he gets older, and signing him would mean the Nationals essentially eat the money remaining on Adam LaRoche's deal.
So will the Nationals sign Prince Fielder? Are the rumors true?
Not so fast. Washington Times' writer Amanda Comak talked to the Nats' GM this afternoon for an article entitled, "Nats GM Mike Rizzo says nothing has changed with regard to Prince Fielder", in which the Washington Times' writer quotes the Nationals' general manager saying, "'Our position has not changed since the winter meetings, on Prince Fielder specifically.'" Rizzo reiterates in the article that the Nats are pefectly comfortable at first with Adam LaRoche and Morse as a backup plan, and responds to the recent rumors by saying, "'There are a lot of comments that we’re the front runners and I don’t know where that comes from because we haven’t gone beyond where we were at since the winter meetings.'"
So...
• LINKS:
• "Should the Nationals sign Prince Fielder?" - Steve Slowinski at Fangraphs.com asked that question today.
• Washington Post Adam Kilgore writes that it doesn't have to come down to Zim or Prince in an article entitled, "For the Nationals, Prince Fielder or Ryan Zimmerman is only a choice if they make it one."
• MASN's Pete Kerzel wonders, "How much is too much for Prince Fielder?"
• CBSSports.com's Jon Heyman, in an article entitled, "Nats, as many as 7 others, shooting for Prince", writes that though the Nationals, "... do appear to be deep in the mix for star free agent slugger Prince Fielder... it may be a bit too early to declare them as 'the' favorite." Mr. Heyman examines what other teams might still be possibilities for Fielder and his agent to explore.
• ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick notes that Fielder isn't the only unsigned Boras client still available this winter in an article entitled, "
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Wow..
R,u kidding,me?? So no Prince?
by Sportzxpert on Jan 5, 2012 2:39 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I wouldn't draw that conclusion, it's the same thing Rizzo's said all along...
As the rumors have swirled.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 5, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
I hope so
if that’s the case Rizzo is one hell of a GM..
by Sportzxpert on Jan 5, 2012 2:55 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I agree that it handcuffs the organization
so only make the play that makes sense for the Nats, and if the Boras group comes down to that, then trigger the deal. The Nats have leverage because they have a 1st baseman in LaRoche, and 30 HR guy in Morse who can play 1st and an up and coming lefty power hitter.
We can look at all lineups WITH prince fielder, and they all look better, let’s not kid ourselves. He’d look great at the DH spot for the Angels behind Pujols even. Doesn’t mean it makes sense.
That fangraphs article is exactly my point.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
For once….I actually liked the fangraphs article and I am usually not a fangraphs fan. I tend to agree more though with the writer’s original projection of 91-92 wins WITH Fielder, and not the mid 80’s that he reverted back to. The only player that I see a possible regression in, is unfortunately Morse, and that is only with his average; I still think he hits 25-30 HRs and 90-100 RBI. I truly believe Dez and Espi improve with another full season, Zim will be back to a full-season production, and Werth will enjoy being in a lineup that fits his style better and he won’t be moved all over the place like last year. I would even venture to say that the Nats “could” be even better than the 91-92 wins, and “could” win the division with Fielder. But….I think I have developed the reputation of being Federal Baseball’s eternal optimist. lol
Nah
I could be wrong, but Morse passes my eye test. After the All-Star break, other teams did everything they could to mess with him and he didn’t give in. The pitched around him, they threw at him, nothing but junk…..I don’t think he got a fastball over the heart of the plate for months and he still hit. And he is confident. He has a plan at the plate and he executes it. It was light years away from pressing/swing-at-everything/deer-in-the headlights. Morse post ST.
And he might be older than Prince, but I like his body a lot more than Prince’s.
There are a lot of people that can hit a baseball, but he became a hitter this year. I loved his AB’s once he became confident and consistent. I hope it rubs off on Espi.
I am Pro-Prince.....
But the Buster article is scary in the fact that the last two years of a deal for Prince, the Nats would likely be paying 45mil per year, considering that it would be obviously back-loaded. That is a lot of dough, which makes me wonder still…why back-load a contract to that extreme? Why NOT front-load it a little, while the team has such a low payroll? Why not try to level out the annual payroll a little? Is it REALLY better to have a payroll of 65mil now, but 150mil then? Will the economy be THAT much better then? I still wonder….is it truly better to be paying Werth only 10mil now, to keep the payroll at 65, while having to pay him 20mil when his norm may be what his regression was last year? It just doesn’t seem smart to backload these contracts when the big payments will become due when other players will be coming out of their league minimum salaries and demanding much more money. However, I am not an economics major……..
It’s not about the economy being better, so much, as it is that people like the Lerners should have the ability to invest saved money for (presumably) a profit between now and then regardless.
They’re probably rather pay him 200 mil 7 years from now and 0 leading up to it, if they could, because that’s 200 mil they can invest between now and then and make several mil profit that they’d otherwise lose.
Now, that requires them to have that kind of outlook about it, rather than keep the team as an isolated financial situation and wanting a strict year-to-year budget. But it makes way more sense to back-load any and every contract if you’ve got the ability to make use of your money in the meantime (which the Lerners most certainly should).
Agree, 97%
There is one small consideration here that should be addressed: at $200M the team would likely be assessed a luxury tax, which is non-trivial and would erase a chunk of the benefits of back-loading.
But, realistically, the Nats aren’t going to threaten the cap any time soon.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
by RobBobS on Jan 5, 2012 3:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, that was just out of thin air so of course there are other considerations, thanks for bringing that up.
Isn't
Bobby Bonilla still being paid by the Mets? I think I read that — something around a million a year.
WSJ article on Bonilla's contract:
“There’s no accounting for this.”
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 5, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
i think the idea is
that your fan base increases which brings more revenue and if you are an annual contender TV revenue and such goes up as well. THen in theory you make the playoffs, and there is more revenue to be had there. So you backload it with the hopes that it pays for itself more or less.
That and the Present Value of future money is worth less today. 1 million in 2012 for example is worth 950k for example or so in todays terms.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
Something I Keep Hearing....
Where is all the discussion being created that Zim may not be able to handle 3B much longer, and may need to move to 1B? I have seen no regression there at all…..the kid is fantastic!
yea, that's ridiculous.
By the time Zimmerman can no longer play a legit 3rd, I think he will retire. I think it is unlikely that his body breaks down enough that he can’t play third but he can still hit well enough to play first.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
by Doncosmic on Jan 5, 2012 6:42 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Fixed
The bow-tied FOXSports.com reporter
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
I edited myself when he wasn't in fact wearing a bow tie in the video...
#attentiontodetail heh.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Jan 5, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Something non Prince Fielder
Davey still talks about wanting to get more bench pieces. Here are some out of house options
Jeff Keppinger
Aaron Miles
Ryan Theriot
Ronny Cedeno
Edgar Renteria
Jack Wilson
Wilosn Betemit
Eric Chavez
Omar Vizquel
Thrillie Harris
Raul Ibanez
Ryan Ludwick
Luke Scott(?)
Rick Ankiel
Cody Ross(will he take a bench spot)
J.D. Drew
Kosuke Fukudome
Xavier Nady
Magglio Ordonez
about the only viable in house option is Xavier Paul, any maybe Andres Blanco
MOAR SEVERINO!
From that list, Theriot and Ludwick look intriguing. What is up with Ludwick? He had a couple of great seasons in St. Louis, but what happened? Could be ever generate those numbers again, or would he be worth giving an opportunity? I remember a LOT of fans on this site last season was hoping we would trade for him. Are there desires still out there for Ludwick?
SD killed his power.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
I thought the same thing.
I hate to say it, but I think Nix is going to love hitting to that short porch in Philly. I would expect him to have 25+ HR’s this year if he gets the AB’s.
acomak:
#MLB announces the 50-game suspension of #Nats minor lg. RHP Zechry Zinicola after a second violation of the drug prevention program.
Hes gone
fringe prospect caugh a second time. I hate to say it but I think this may have ended Zech’s chances at the MLB
MOAR SEVERINO!
So what's everyone's honest opinions :j
Will they sign Prince? he knows he won’t get the ten years..so my question is will Boras and Prince wake up and sign the best offer imho that should come from the Nats owners? all other teams are supposedly not interested..Rangers r out. Cubs r out. marlins out. Toronto’s only destination that could outbid our bid.. whats the hold up u guys think?
by Sportzxpert on Jan 5, 2012 3:36 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Rangers aren't out ... yet
If they don’t sign Darvish, I’m guessing they’ll be after Fielder in a big way (insert fat joke here). Which is why I don’t expect Fielder to sign until after Darvish’s situation is worked out. The wild card there is whether Boras will want to get Fielder under contract while the Rangers are still out there as a potential fallback option. If Darvish signs with the Rangers, then IMHO the Fielder market really dries up
Darvish wants 5 years 75 million.
Will Texas be able to sign him.
Does Texas lose the $50 million posting fee if they don’t sign him?
Agreed, I think Boras wants to move before the Darvish decision, but we'll see.
Two teams might be thinking the same thing. That they’ll keep their offers low until they know about Texas, hoping to get Fielder only at significant discount. Only to find that the maket hasn’t really changed.
I'm not sure that's how I would play it
If I were Lerner/Rizzo, I would be wary of lowballing Fielder to wait for the Darvish resolution. If Yu doesn’t sign, then there’s a new player in the Fielder sweepstakes who obviously has money to burn.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
This is in part why I chose Jan 19
as the day the headline will read announcing the Fielder signing. I am assuming that the Rangers cut a deal with Darvish on the last day, the 18th, and the Nats and Fielder finalize their agreement the next day, comfortable in the knowledge that Texas has spent its offseason cash.
The 19th is also my birthday.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
by RobBobS on Jan 5, 2012 5:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
...and Edgar Allen Poe!
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds

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