Washington Nationals: Top 5 Spring Training Storylines - Jayson Werth, Bryce Harper, Steve Lombardozzi? And More.
5. Jayson Werth, Year Two: Remember last Spring when Jayson Werth was standing behind the batting cage with D.C. GM Mike Rizzo joking about their feelings for the Philadelphia Phillies, the Nats' NL East "rivals"? Then they weren't doing that. Remember the first time the Nats' new $126M dollar outfielder stepped in against closer Drew Storen for some live BP and got thrown at by the Nationals' then-23-year-old closer, who wanted to let the former Phillie know he didn't forget the previous September's walk-off HR in Philadelphia. Things were different then. People are still trying to figure out what went wrong with Werth in the first year of his seven-year deal. In a report last night on the MLB Network Show Clubhouse Confidential they pointed to Werth's splits against left-handed pitchers, with Werth down from a .278/.382/.526 career line to .184/.307/.368 last season and his BABIP, which fell from .324, .304 and .352 from '08-2010 to a career worst .286 in 2011. A report by ESPN.com's Mark Simon yesterday looked deeper into Werth's struggles against left-handers pointing to the drop in his line drive percentage against LHP which was down from 19% in 2010 to 10% in 2011 and his issues in two-strike counts on the year...
Werth finished the 2011 campaign at +2.4 fWAR with a .232/.330/.389 line, 26 doubles and 20 HRs after a career-high +5.3 fWAR 2010 season in which he had a .296/.388/.532 line, 46 doubles and 27 HR's in his last year with the Phillies. Over four years in Philadelphia, Werth had a combined .282/.380/.506 line. Though he struggled at the plate, there were more than a few Nationals who said the right fielder played a big part in "changing the culture" in the nation's capital. Bill James is projecting a .259/.360/.451 line with 26 doubles and 23 HR's in 2012, and there's talk that Werth might end up in center when Bryce Harper eventually comes up. The Nationals need Werth to be the outfielder they thought he was when they signed him and still think he can be, or no one will ever stop talking about that contract...
4. Adam LaRoche's Shoulder: Rough as Jayson Werth's first season in D.C. might have been, Adam LaRoche's 2-year/$16M dollar deal with the Nationals got off to an even rougher start. Just days into Spring Training the left-handed hitting HR threat and plus defender felt soreness in his shoulder which reports at the time said was different than the usual pain a player dealt with when starting back up. The soreness turned out to be a slight tear of the labrum in his left shoulder. LaRoche tried to play through it but eventually admitted that he couldn't continue. When his first year in the nation's capital ended, the then-31-year-old first baseman (who turned 32 in November), had a .172/.288/.258 line, four doubles and three home runs in 43 games and 177 plate appearances a year after he'd posted a .261/.320/.468 line and hit 37 doubles and 25 HR's for the D-Backs.
LaRoche eventually underwent surgery to repair what was by that time a significant tear of the labrum and rotator cuff damage in his left shoulder. The first baseman is expected to be 100% when Spring Training begins. The Nationals entertained the idea of signing Prince Fielder in spite of the fact that LaRoche was under contract for another year and owed $9M of the $16M he signed for last winter. All the while, however, the Nats' GM maintained that the team was perfectly comfortable going into the season with LaRoche at first and Michael Morse ready to step in if necessary. When Fielder signed with Detroit, the Nationals' general manager reiterated that they expected to have a healthy LaRoche back in 2012. "We think Adam LaRoche is the player that we signed two years ago," Rizzo said, and, "That's 25 [HR's] and 85 [RBI's], Gold Glove-caliber first baseman." If LaRoche isn't healthy, the Nats know Morse can step in, but it opens up another hole in the OF. Will the shoulder be fully healed? Will the power be back? How Adam LaRoche and Jayson Werth bounce back could go a long way in determining just how competitive the Nationals are in 2012.
3. Steve Lombardozzi? Just Me?: Since the moment, during a late-season conversation with the press, when Nats' skipper Davey Johnson talked about Stephen Lombardozzi's September call-up and told reporters, "I'm very comfortable with the guys that we have up the middle," referring to Ian Desmond and Danny Espinosa and then talked about what role the top infield prospect in the organization might play in the Nats' future, saying, "As far as I'm concerned, could [Lombardozzi] be an every day second baseman? Yeah, [but] could he fill a utility role? That's what he's up here to see," I've been wondering whether or not the Nationals' manager would really keep the 23-year-old '08 19th Round pick on the 2012 roster to play a utility role and push the incumbent second baseman and shortstop for playing time?
Desmond and Espinosa were given an opportunity to compete for playing time and were able to outplay their veteran competitors. With Lombardozzi it's different, however. Desmond and Espinosa are just establishing themselves at the major league level, a point which the 24-year-old Espinosa made in a Washington Times' article last September.
Lombardozzi made two stops in the Nationals' system on the way up last year, (playing near-flawless defense wherever he was and) posting a .309/.366/.454 line in 65 games and 291 PA's at Double-A Harrisburg before moving on to Triple-A Syracuse where he had a .310/.354/.408 line in 69 games and 325 PA's before he was called up to the big league club at the end of the season. Lombardozzi was 6 for 31 with a double and a walk in his first 13 MLB games. Is Lombardozzi headed back for more time at Triple-A Syracuse? Will Carlos Rivero beat Lombo out for the utility role? Andres Blanco? Maybe it's just me, but I'm really interested to see if Lombardozzi ends up winning a spot on the Opening Day roster.
2. 5th Starter?: Before the Edwin Jackson signing, it was a three-pitcher battle for the 4th and 5th spots in the Nationals' Opening Day rotation with Chien-Ming Wang, John Lannan and Ross Detwiler expected to fight it out this Spring to decided which pitchers would end up starting at the start of year and which one would end up in the bullpen. With the 28-year-old Jackson signed, one of those two spots was immediately filled. Chien-Ming Wang and his surgically-repaired shoulder aren't ideally suited to a relief role. Ross Detwiler has no options. John Lannan's name has been the subject of trade rumors since the Edwin Jackson-to-D.C. talk started right before he signed. Something's got to give, right? Not really.
The Nationals, as D.C. GM Mike Rizzo explained after signing Edwin Jackson to a one-year/$11M dollar deal, felt they had an innings-shortage and they addressed it this winter by adding two pitchers (Gio Gonzalez and Jackson) who've shown that they can throw 200+ innings in a season which gives the Nats some room to work with Wang, Stephen Strasburg and Jordan Zimmermann, all of whom have dealt with injuries over the last few seasons. Who opens the season in the rotation is not that important, of course, the Nationals will use more than five starters this season, but the depth the've assembled, even before the Jackson signing, the Nats' GM said, "... is in the realm of something that we've never had here before."
"We've got [Stephen] Strasburg, Gio Gonzalez, Jordan Zimmermann, Chien-Ming Wang, Ross Detwiler [and] John Lannan," the general manager said, and now Edwin Jackson too, and, Rizzo continued, "We also have guys who can start and compete for a starting job, there's Tom Gorzelanny, Craig Stammen." It's a significant improvement for a team that just a few years back had to cast a wide net just to find the pitching to fill out their rotation each Spring.
(ed. note - "One other thing, though he doesn't explain the thinking behind his opinion, MLB.com's Peter Gammons wrote that all the additions Washington's made to their rotation and bullpen this winter provides them with, "... another safety net to help insure that if Washington has to beat Philly, Atlanta or Miami come September, Strasburg will be physically able to compete." The Nationals have said nothing publicly to support this opinion, to be clear, but Mr. Gammons said it, not me, and that should keep the, "There's No Way You Shut Down Strasburg In A Playoff Run"-gang going in spite of all of the Nats' GM's comments to the contrary.")
1. Bryce Harper, Nats' RF?: The Twitter, the new whip, the Yankees, Cowboys, Duke, the Lakers, all of that off-field nonsense will likely take a back seat to the story of the Nats' 19-year-old 2010 no.1 overall pick attempting to make the Nationals' Opening Day roster once Spring Training begins. (Hopefully?) The MLB Network Show Clubhouse Confidential spent two-thirds of their 30-minute program last night examining Harper's chances of claiming the right field job on Opening Day. Davey Johnson wants Bryce Harper in right field on Opening Day. D.C. GM Mike Rizzo has promised to keep an open mind. Bryce Harper thought he was ready last Spring. Widely-regarded as one of the two, if not the best, outfield prospects in baseball, Harper is likely to be the best option the Nationals have in Spring Training to fill the right field role, but the decision will be based on what he's accomplished so far in the minors and what he's able to show the team this Spring.
The GM said it won't be based on contract and service-time issues, but instead based on his performance this Spring and developmental concerns. Harper (as Stephen Strasburg's said before him) believes he has a legitimate shot at making the Opening Day roster. The problem with continuing to say that Harper will be given a chance to win the right field job, as CBSSports.com's Jon Heyman said recently is that, "... by saying publicly he can play his way onto the team, that also, puts pressure on them to make good on the promise," if Harper has a big Spring. No one's likely to complain, however, if the 19-year-old's good enough this Spring to force the Nationals' hand.
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There's no way you shut down Strasburg in a playoff run
…unless for some reason you’d like to have him healthy for the rest of his career in Washington.
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
by RobBobS on Feb 15, 2012 3:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I just cannot see how some people would be willing to risk the arm again just for a playoff push, they should be in the playoff hunt for the next 5 (just throwing a number out) years at least. Longevity over immediate success IMO.
by RossingtonCollins on Feb 15, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Do you live...........
in this town?………Winning is the only thing that matters……….Its an event town.
I would like to hear some qualification on Mr. Gammons' thinking, maybe I'll respectfully ask on the Twitter...
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 15, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
The point, of course, is that Mr. Gammons didn't say a source told him, Rizzo said, anyone said...
He just stated it outright in opposition to all the Nationals have said. I know you think there’s no way they could shut him down if they’re in a playoff run, but I don’t doubt what Rizzo’s said about eventually shutting him down and there’s no hint with just days before pitchers and catchers report that the Nats intend to do anything but what they’ve said all along.
If Rizzo means what he says it will be a REALLY hard sell for fans late this year.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 16, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
I suspect............
A questionable 21 day stint at some point………..Rizzo can’t really come out and say…..“Um were winning the division this year so STRAS’ first start is May1st”……….Thats a whole lot of black board ammunition…….
My thoughts...
A few skipped road starts throughout the season and the Nats buy an extra month of Strasburg-ing. He’s sure to experience some “soreness” or “a little tenderness” here and there and I bet the strategy will be to give him some extra rest at those possibly pre-determined times.
Hesitation
I can understand posters worrying about skipping starts…….All though if you skip road starts it will kill two birds by having STRAS start more home games thus more sell outs………
While I have argued 'till I'm blue in the face...

(Artistic rendering of RobBobS)
…I don’t think the whole “Bryce Harper starting the season with the Nats” thing will turn out to be that much of a big story. I think it’s pretty much etched in stone that he won’t start with the club. But I do hope that he makes it a difficult sell to the fan base.
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
which is to say,
I am most intrigued by what’s going to happen with the Lannan/Detwiler/Wang situation.
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
While I agree that he's likely headed for more minor league AB's and hope he makes it a hard decision to sell too...
I think it’s going to be the most-covered if not the actual “biggest” storyline all Spring.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 15, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Or were you just saying, "it's etched in stone" to throw Rizzo off what you really want?
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 15, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
It won't work.
I tried that with Fielder, saying there’s no way the Nats would sign him. And they didn’t. Rizzo’s too clever for that old trick.
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
hehe
Harper will get more headlines and press coverage, but the storyline that will garner our attention here will be the rotation. Fans know that Harper will get to D.C. sooner or later, and probably this year either way. How to squeeze three pitchers into one rotation is a much more intriguing question that also requires a more immediate resolution. Who Rizzo picks for the rotation is a decision where he can be wrong. Whatever they do with Harper will be the right thing to do, either way, so there will be few permanently broken hearts. Now imagine the baby raccoons after Lannan or Detwiler get cut from the rotation.. the drama may be epic.
The more intriguing question in re Harper
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
Young man needs somebody to teach him how to be a big-leaguer
I note that his highn’ass and renowned Knight of the Keyboard Jason Reid has volunteered for the job – which is a true knee-slapper, if ever there was.
"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford
The #5 spot is Wang's to lose, IMHO
If there are no trades, and they pitch equally well (or poorly), then Wang goes to the rotation, Detwiler to the bullpen (3 lefties!) and Lannan goes to Syracuse. Because that way they all are retained and used in roles that they are effective in.
There’s not going to be a six man rotation, because more starts for Wang, Detwiler and Lannan means fewer starts for, not just Strasburg, but Zimmermann, Gonzalez and Jackson as well. Which is not a recipe for even being relevant in September.
agreed
I think the hierarchy is:
(1) Wang — he either wins the #5 spot or has to be exposed to waivers (or develops a fortuitous unfortunate setback in his shoulder resulting in a DL stashing).
(2) Detwiler — making him a second LH long man is bloating the pen, and only happens if Wang flames out and Lannan clearly outpitches him
(3) Lannan — an expensive AAA insurance policy, unless both of the above occur, or Rizzo finds an attractive trade alternative.
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
I hear Lannan has an option left, but I doubt the Nats would pay five million dollars for a kid they send to AAA.
Rizzo said he has an option during the Edwin Jackson discussion...
BUT…they view him as a major league pitcher, etc. If I were to judge his tone when asked I’d say he doesn’t expect Lannan to end up in Triple-A though I can see how everyone’s drawing that conclusion based on the circumstances.
Rizzo quote: "Asked if Lannan had any remaining options, (Detwiler has no options remaining which could figure in the decision-making process this Spring), Rizzo reiterated that though Lannan does have an option, “We feel that he’s a major league pitcher. He’s major league caliber and he’s major league-ready to help a contending team and we feel that he’s a solid major league starting pitcher and that’s what we’re going to use him as.”
Of course he’s not going to say, “We’ll just send him to Triple-A” so that’s fwiw of course.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 15, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I take that as GM speak
As you note, FWIW.
Of course he’s going to say they “view him as a major league pitcher (etc., etc.).” Lannan is an organizational soldier and nothing would be gained, either internally or in trade value, by saying anything else. But because Rizzo does view Lannan as a ML pitcher Rizzo is (hopefully!) not going to just dump him for any bag of baseballs/Cutter Dykstra equivalent that he can get someone to offer. In Viera Lannan may well pitch his way into the rotation, especially if there are a couple of major or minor nicks, or other pitchers falter. But if all three hold up and no one gets hurt, I’m sticking by my order of Wang in the rotation, Detwiler in the bullpen, and Lannan in Syracuse. And cue Rizzo’s "really tough decision … everyone pitched great, we just have a a luxury having that kind of reserve to draw on … " speech.
Yeah, I can't see any one buying this.
Of course
"We feel that he’s a major league pitcher. He’s major league caliber and he’s major league-ready to help a contending team and we feel that he’s a solid major league starting pitcher and that’s what we’re going to use him as."
is all true. All of which is completely non-responsive to "what are you going to do with 7 SPs on opening day?’
#extendZim
Harper will create a commotion, alright - but why waste such a good commotion
at the beginning of a season that’ll already kick off (mixed metaphor, sorry) with Strasburg? We play this game for money, y’know.
"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford
Speak for yourself
I pay for the privilege of playing baseball :-)
Aw, you missed the metaphor
from poker this time.
"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford
My not-so-bold spring prediction is that one of the pitchers slated for 1-4 won't be on the opening 25
saying ejax will be traded is too easy but what if stras has a significant setback? what if gio ends up with class 3 sprained control and has to start on the dl to get some rehab in and make room for one of the other 3 until a transaction can be worked out?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man
I'm not sure that Jackson CAN be traded....?
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
Neither he nor Wang can be traded until June
because they were signed as free agents. Lannan and Detwiler would be the only trade targets. Well, maybe Gorzo.
I think Phil Wood mentioned this, but I’m starting to come around to the idea of just pushing Strasburg’s start of the season back a month or so. He’d then miss the first month of the season instead of the last. Lannan or Detwiler then fills his innings in April instead of Stammen or Maya filling them in September.
I know games in April count as much as games in September, but the roster is better equiped to cover Strasburg’s innings early as opposed to late (when there will probably be some other aches and pains in the rotation). You could either DL Strasburg or if that’s too shady, you option him to AAA to do his ‘spring training’.
Once Strasburg is ready to go, you then have an addition month to showcase somebody for trade. Or perhaps an injury will create an opening. This way you wouldn’t have to be forced with trading Lannan or sending him down when he doesn’t really deserve it.
We Aim to Maim - JoseRijo es mi Amigo aka court
That won't happen...unless Rizzo wants a new job...
That’s no way to excite the fanz and as RobBobS already pointed out, using Bambi for Stras starts in April will almost guarantee the Nats WON’T be playing for a playoff spot in Sept.
The other teams would LOVE IT though…and revel in their good fortune at not facing the uunbelievable Stras stuff to start the season.
Meanwhile Rizzo continues to shop Lannan…
"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011
by MissB on Feb 15, 2012 7:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Missing the firstg month..........
Means missing the playoffs???……..How can you know that its 5 or 6 starts…..That he is’nt going to make at some point anyway……….
Take back the park with Strasburg.
Having Strasburg make his 1st start against the Phillies the 1st weekend in May will fill the ball park with Nat fans. I not sure the team will do that.
Just give him a second TJ, that should limit his innings
MOAR SEVERINO!
@awalker138-I have joined the twitters
Quick question, where do you get the "free agent signings can't be traded until June" rule?
I’ve been looking everywhere on Cot’s Baseball Contracts/MLBTR and have yet to find a rule like that. On to your actual point, I don’t think there is any way Stras doesn’t start the year in the Majors. I firmly believe he will be the one toeing the rubber on April 6th at Wrigley (Only 50 days away!!!)
The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Morse
by Nationalpastime9 on Feb 15, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Go to an authoritative source...
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/important_dates.jsp
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
by RobBobS on Feb 15, 2012 9:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nope - they're better prepared to pick up Strasburg's slack late
Because if they are in serious contention at the trade deadline, they go out and get someone. The way contending teams do.
Forgive me...
what’s this term “contending teams”? It’s totally unfamiliar….
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
October...........
The point is to have STRAS pitching in October………..
Drew Storen, historian
Drew Storen:
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Lombardozzi
i’d love for him to beat out ian desmond as a starter
Enduring the pain of wizards basketball....one game at a time
same
But I don’t think the organization wants that.
Poor Ian
He’s better than he gets credit for, IMO.
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
by RobBobS on Feb 15, 2012 10:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's crazy to think he's better than Desmond
At least at this point.
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
Fwiw most writers think the Nats need to find a solution for their voids in cf and ss
Fan graphs,, one example, I can dig up more.
But reading between the lines is easy.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
Folks at FanGraphs
are not always right. They just think they are.
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
true
but a .656 OPS player should not be guaranteed a starting job.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
even a .755 OPS player shouldn't be guaranteed a starting job.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
He should if he plays shortstop,
assuming his competition isn’t Tulowitzki.
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
Only if he is Ozzie Smith
If you can’t be productive at the plate and aren’t showing great value in the field then you aren’t going to be very valuable.
He had two nice offensive months last year that clearly saved his season. Put it all together, and the season still was a loss for Desmond.
If he starts off 2012 like 2011? Its time to consider our internal and external options.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
A .755 OPS from a shortstop is well above ML average.
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
Too bad he didn't do it for a full season
I measured out .711 as league avg. Unfortunately that .755 was .100 points more than Desmonds full seasons numbers. So he is " well below" ML avg.
So he needs a + glove.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
Ahem.
You said, a .755 OPS should not guarantee one a starting job at shortstop. I said it should unless by rare chance such player happens to be blocking someone even better.
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
Sure
too bad we don’t have a shortstop with those kind of full season numbers who deserves a guaranteed spot in the lineup.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
After all this conversation is all hypothetical
fact is, you have an underachieving shortstop who commits too many errors.
Is that not correct?
you can throw out the words improving or potential in there, but those are also the same as hopes and dreams.
i can deal with a shortstop who has success in one or the other and is trying to get the whole package together (starlin castro is a great example, though some people still talk of moving him),. at this point he struggles on both ends, as one of the worst offensive and defensive shortstops in baseball.
there i said it.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
No big surprise
You’ve said as much countless times before.
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
Several people had him rated middle of the pack last year, and Lombo just hasn’t shown much at all.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
by Doncosmic on Feb 16, 2012 6:16 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Lombo has had 31 major league at bats
“not much at all…”
Desmond has had 1302 at bats and is ranked as one of the bottom 5 shortstops in baseball according to multiple sources of WAR.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
Desmond sits for Lombardozzi?
Don’t hold your breath.
"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford
its not like Desmond has created a huge hurdle rate
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
That's as may be
I just don’t see Lombardozzi as the guy to elbow past him. Not even close.
Axe me, far more likely is that Desmond gets traded – part of a package for, say, that first-line CFer we need, with Espy moving to SS.
"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford
Certainly might be the case
You never know, an injury might give him some playing time, and we’ll get more exposure as to what he can do at a Major League level. He is certainly a well-rounded player with no flashy skillsets. Who knows.
To me, with Desmond not proving all that much, it hurts the team not to see what other players in the system can do at the MLB level. I’d hate to pass on guys purely on hopes that Desmond pans out. He may never pan out.
And as an FYI, I am not imaging Lombardozzi filling in at SS, but as you say, Espy moving over there. The question to me is who do you
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
The question to me is who do you ever give him enough at bats to figure it out.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
the hurdle is legit MLB starter
That’s a long way off for Lombo.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
by Doncosmic on Feb 16, 2012 6:12 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
For two months now...........
Ive been saying they should and will find a way for STRAS’ 160th inning, to happen the last week of September………..Most posters here seem to be in denial………….Apperently does’nt fit in some math equation…….
They don't need to.............
and they……… shouldn’t do it……….. just because some think………… that September games are…………. more important than April games………They’re not………
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
by RobBobS on Feb 16, 2012 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
LMFAO!
+1
"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon
Locksley 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Terps, except through me."
Artistfork, get off it
“denial” would be denying what the FO has said all along… which is that Stras starts the season. You are the one in denial. “Denial” doesn’t mean “not agreeing with Artistfork”… it is getting old.
by William.Hatheway on Feb 16, 2012 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
Get used to it..........
Also I am not auging it should happen. At some point STRAS’ goes on the DL with soem mystical injury. Just watch.
October games...........
October games…………October games……….October games…………..October games……….
Rizzo would look pretty stupid
if he saved innings for Strasburg to pitch in October and they don’t actually get to play in October.
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
nah
He’d just want to save 10 innings or so. It wouldn’t be hard to give Stras an extra 10 innings over his last 5 starts if we don’t have the inside track.
by NatsFaninBama on Feb 16, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
JFC!!!!!
Theres no saving innings……….He hits 155-165 the last week in September. Then pitches in October. This really is’nt that difficult………….
Funny.............
but it sailed……………right over…………..his head…………
"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford
Nothing sailed......
He’s playing school marm……..And has no reply………He’s worrying about April instead of October………..
Ye' don't say
Crissake, we got ST to worry about, then OD, then…c’mon, long way to go before October, and there’s many a slip. Take it easy, will ya’?
"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford
silly
September games are more important than April games for a number of reasons, most importantly that MLB doesn’t use a balanced schedule, and we play our division opponents twice as often at the end of the season.
On top of that, April games are spread out, and teams can usually go with a 4 man rotation, and play, especially pitching, is less consistent. Starters can’t go as long, colder weather means that it’s harder for players, again especially pitchers, to get loose.
by NatsFaninBama on Feb 16, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ain't from around here, are ye?
Go to a ball-game here in April, bring a warm jacket. It’s damn windy, especially near the river, and sometimes it even snows.
"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford
I think that was sort of his point.
But I don’t think it’s an issue. I believe Stras will be limited most games to 6 innings or so anyway.
And, by the way, while they do play NL East teams more often in September than April (12 vs 6), it’s NOT true that games are more spread out in April this year. From Apr 7th to the 29th, they play straight though with but one day off. That’s a mid-season stretch there.
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
yeah, that was my point
And for that matter, I’m a DC native — and I don’t think there’s been an April snow since my last April in DC (2007).
You also have to count those last 3 against the Phillies in October. 26 of our 44 games after August 15 come against the NL East.
Interesting about the compact April schedule… though you can expect a few rainouts to spread that out.
by NatsFaninBama on Feb 16, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
My bad, I misunderstood
Thought you meant April’s warmer than Sept. Yes, we get snow-flurries in April.
"I can go to my left or right, I am amphibious." - Charles Shackelford
And let me tell you,
watching that old horrible version of the Nats every single game in April when it’s bitter cold and blustery, is no fun at all. I choose to believe that the new improved version of the Nats will make that cold/bluster tolerable.
Rob
--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb
Thats right.............
Highlight the nonsense that April games are more important then playoff games………
"You’ll never know the hurt I suffered nor the pain I rise above
And I’ll never know the same about you, your holiness or your kind of love
And it makes me feel so sorry."
- there really aren’t many songs better.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 16, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
I agree!
For the record, Allen Ginsburg praised the rhyme of “skull and Capitol” in the verse
“Idiot wind, blowing like a circle around my skull
From the Grand Coulee Dam to the Capitol”
(though, for what it’s worth (not all that much) some critics ( Greil Marcus, who’s writing I like a lot), disagree with you and I on the merits of this tune).
"... to the Capi-tull."
Eh, critics. ;) what moves me moves me.
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 16, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Keep Lannan?
From what Rizzo’s said so far, I take it his preference is Lannan starting, Detwiler as a valuable left reliever ready to step into the rotation if/when needed, and Wang a wild-card that could be traded or put on waivers.. Am I the only one that would much rather see Lannan in the fifth spot than Wang. Lannan has proved to be a reliable, above average starter and was even our “ace” a few years ago (I know that’s not saying much). Wang hasn’t pitchedbanything close to a full major league season in like 3 years and even in his prime his ERA was always good but not great.. Thoughts?
by danielweltz on Feb 16, 2012 2:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Maybe they should put Wang on waivers
They signed that deal before getting two better pitchers they didn’t yet have.
by William.Hatheway on Feb 16, 2012 8:15 AM EST reply actions

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