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Wire Taps: Washington Nationals' Stephen Strasburg, Inning Limits, Etc.

Reports out of Florida on the first official day of the Washington Nationals' 2012 Spring Training, after pitchers and catchers reported yesterday, have D.C. GM Mike Rizzo reiterating that once 23-year-old right-hander Stephen Strasburg reaches his prescribed innings-limit in his first full-season back from Tommy John surgery, he will be shut down. No late starts to the season, no extended rests, no manipulation to keep him around for a potential late-season run at a post-season berth. When Strasburg reaches his limit (which will be around 150-160.0 innings according to Nats' skipper Davey Johnson via MASN's Pete Kerzel on Twitter @KerzelPete), the Nats' '09 no.1 overall pick will be done for the season regardless where the Nationals happen to be in the standings at that time.

"If we're lucky enough and improved enough to be playing meaningful games in September," D.C. GM Mike Rizzo said in an MLB Network Radio interview with hosts Kevin Kennedy and Jim Duquette this past September, "and [Strasburg's] pitch limits are up, just like Jordan Zimmermann this year, he will be done. We'll sit with our plan and we'll stick to it." In a conference call with reporters this winter the Nats' general manager said that though they hadn't arrived at a set number of innings "in concrete" as he put it, they had discussed , "... general parameters of what I think is something I would allow him to throw."

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Rizzo wouldn't tell reporters when Strasburg would be shut down or how many innings total he would pitch then, explaining that, "... there's strategy that's employed in it and we don't want people to know our business, but we have a good idea of the parameters of where we want [Strasburg] to throw, and we'll adhere to those parameters. Like I said, it's nothing in concrete because we want to see how he comes to Spring Training, how he feels and how he develops throughout the season." Davey Johnson too explained that he was on board with the plans, telling the D.C. press corps, "I'm going with the medical experts," when he was asked about how he'd handle the Nats' '09 no.1 overall pick. "Whatever they think is the best thing to do,' Johnson said, "I know that what I saw at the end of the year, I saw a very healthy Stephen Strasburg. He reminded me of a guy that didn't look like he'd ever been injured."

Strasburg told reporters, including NatsInsider.com's Mark Zuckerman, that after a year of rehab, a short stint in the minors and five starts and 24.0 IP with the Nationals last September over which he walked just two and struck out 24 while posting a 1.50 ERA and a 1.28 FIP, he's arrived at Spring Training 100% healthy and ready to put the past behind him. "'It feels like it almost never happened,'" Mr. Zuckerman quoted Strasburg stating. The fact that it feels like nothing ever happened is immaterial of course.

The Nationals will treat Strasburg just like they treated Jordan Zimmermann last season in his first full year back following Tommy John surgery in 2009. "'There's not going to be a whole lot of tinkering going on,'" Rizzo told the Washington Times' Amanda Comak this morning, as quoted in an article entitled, "Nationals won't manipulate Strasburg's innings." "'We're going to run him out there until his innings are gone,'" Rizzo told reporters again this morning, "'and then stop him from pitching.'"

Humorously, the Washington Post's Adam Kilgore quoted an unnamed teammate today in his own story on Rizzo's comments about Strasburg entitled, "With Stephen Strasburg on an innings limit, the Nationals will not manipulate his schedule", who told the WaPost writer that Strasburg, "... would not be easily convinced to stop pitching during a playoff race. 'They’re going to have to lock him in a cage,' the player said.'" That reaction isn't unanticipated either, as the Nats' GM explained in a recent interview with ESPN980's Thom Loverro and Kevin Sheehan.

"I hope we're making that tough decision in September," Rizzo said when asked about having to potentially shut Strasburg down when things are heating up late this year, "That would be good, but the decision [has] already been made in my mind and we'll stick to it. And like this year with Jordan Zimmermann, it didn't make everybody happy, but I thought it was the right move, and I think that the move with Stras will be the right move also and probably won't make a lot of people happy either." Why do the Nationals keep restating their plans for Strasburg?

A) Because reporters keep asking for the sake of clarifying what's been said? B) Because the Nationals don't want it to be a surprise to fans who may have tuned out late last year or who have not been following every word they've said this winter? 3) Because no matter how many times they say it some people find it impossible to believe that a team everyone thinks finally has a chance to compete for a postseason berth, might have to make a run without their no.1 starter? Probably all of the above, but the Nationals have to think long-term.

There's little chance the Nats will even know their fate when Strasburg reaches his innings limit. Jordan Zimmermann reached his on August 28th, and that was after a few attempts to give him extra rest resulted in sub-par outings. The Nationals can't afford to think short-term with a talent as big as Strasburg's, can they? And looking at the big picture, with evidence to support it and a plan put together in conjunction with the doctors who performed Strasburg's surgery, they've made their decision and they're sticking with it, tough as it may eventually be to explain to their fans late this year.

• Previously on Federal Baseball:

Who's Telling The Washington Nationals' Stephen Strasburg He's Reached His Limit?

• (ed. note - "Yes, I wrote A), B), 3) on purpose, I think that stuff is funny.")

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Then I don’t want to see Bryce Harper in DC until he’s damn good and ready.

by NatsFaninBama on Feb 20, 2012 4:43 PM EST reply actions  

He is.

Rob

--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb

by RobBobS on Feb 20, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I know this is pointless for the two of us to argue our many times stated positions

but wRC+ has him as 3% better than an average AA hitter. Or, if that’s too saberist: .256/.329/..395… as an outfielder. At AA. Super 2 issues or not, I want a guy with those numbers to prove himself at AAA first.

by William.Hatheway on Feb 20, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

SSS, he was clearly raking in AA after a slow start when he was hurt.

I’m fairly confident he would be better than any of the OF’s the had last season.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Feb 20, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand why you consider 37 games worth of AA data,

which itself features a dramatic increase in production rate around a third of the way in, to be a good sample to assess his readiness to play at the ML level. Because, to be perfectly blunt, it’s not.

Rob

--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb

by RobBobS on Feb 20, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right.

Problem is that neither is 20 Spring Training games.

He needs to go to AAA. Period.

by rarumberger on Feb 20, 2012 8:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Why MUST he go to AAA?

He’s not a typical player. He doesn’t have to follow the typical player’s path to the bigs.

Rob

--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb

by RobBobS on Feb 20, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the other point is that he’s better than what we already have. I have no quams about the kid being sent to AAA if there are guys who can offer better production. They can’t. The option at the moment of Morse/Ankiel+Bernie/Werth is a gap in CF. By moving Werth to CF – if he reverts to career norms and plays serviceable CF – then its a better lineup with Morse/Werth/Harper. He only needs to bat about 220 to give us more than we had last year.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Feb 20, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I do

I have a problem with promoting him to the majors if it’s going to inhibit his development. There’s reason to believe that he’d be better served in the long run by being given time to develop in the minors so he would be ready when he gets to the majors. You can argue against that, and obviously I’m not an expert in player development.

The team ought to be consistent and do what’s in the long term best interest of developing Bryce Harper rather than the short term interest of the team this year, given that they’ve already made the decision to prioritize the long term over the short term with respect to Strasburg.

by NatsFaninBama on Feb 21, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

ready for what?

Ready to hit .250 and get booed and heckled relentlessly at every road stop? I doubt it.

by NatsFaninBama on Feb 20, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

err...

I doubt the latter… I suspect the former.

by NatsFaninBama on Feb 20, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I think both are 100% true.

Guy has been booed since he was 12. I think he can hit .250 easily, and with enough power to make him an above average MLB outfielder right now.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Feb 20, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

but...

Which will prepare him better for next year, spending a full season hitting .250 in the majors, or spending at least part of the season and a making deliberate progression through the minors?

by NatsFaninBama on Feb 21, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I suspect if we knew the answer to that, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

It seems like you think that making steady progress in the minors will help him more than making the team opening day. I tend to agree with that assessment, but I have to admit that I simply don’t know. I think it is reasonable to want Harper taking his lumps this year, when we are in fringe contention, so that next year when the Nationals are in full-on WS hunt, Harper will be ready to go. I’m not sure that Harper couldn’t gain this expierence from 400 MLB PAs, instead of 600 though. Ultimantly, I am going to trust the teams player development staff to make the right call.

#extendZim

by chubias on Feb 21, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

And, by the way, he managed to handle all that heckling quite admirably

…which only goes to demonstrate his maturity. Why would you want to subject him to more of that though?

Rob

--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb

by RobBobS on Feb 20, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

We'll see him........

As soon as by rule we retain that extra year………….

by artistfork on Feb 20, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I missed Rizzo on the FAN

what did he have to say for himself?

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!

by Bsullivan on Feb 20, 2012 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

Didn't see that he was going to be on, will check if they add it to the archives...

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Feb 20, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Interview was with Grant Paulsen and Danny Rouhier...

Should be up soon on their site, but seems like more of the same. Stras on limit. Harper has a chance, Nats thinking playoffs, etc.

Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."

by Patrick Reddington on Feb 20, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

There's an upcoming crisis of conscience

What will d_c_guy do now that Yertl’s signed with the Yankees? At least the Nats will only see him two series this year…

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Feb 20, 2012 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

Only one series, unless the teams meet in the WS

Given Yertle’s success rate against the Nationals, I have to think the Yankees signed him with their series in DC in mind … ;-)

by d_c_guy on Feb 21, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That would make sense,

since they still haven’t taken a series from the Nationals.

Rob

--"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'..." -- Jayne Cobb

by RobBobS on Feb 21, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It amuses me that in 2009 the Yankees won 103 while the Nationals lost 103

And yet, the Nationals took 2 of 3 from the Yankees in the Bronx. Go figure baseball.

by d_c_guy on Feb 21, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Lannan, Stammen and almost Martis!!! (Vill0ne the villain, blowing the hold...)

"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."

by cat daddy3000 on Feb 21, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

When pressed for comment..........

On the continuation of this asinine innings limit decision……….Artistfork replied: “No friggen comment.”

by artistfork on Feb 20, 2012 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

Tommy. John. Surgery.

This isn’t a case of coddling a child. It’s rehabbing an injury. Now get off it.

by rarumberger on Feb 20, 2012 8:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah. What rarumberger said.

Rocky: I see three of him out there!
Paulie: Hit the one in the middle.

by Jeff T on Feb 20, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Will this do?

Rizzo on Strasburg’s innings: He can’t be much clearer than that. Or would you like a bigger stick for that horse carcass?

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"

by jbg2772 on Feb 21, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Rendon update
Says he has been swinging and throwing all winter and feels great, and that the nats plan to get him work all over the infield.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Feb 20, 2012 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

and Wang is still sore, and LaRoche isn't 100%................

roster problems may work their way out….

"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."

by cat daddy3000 on Feb 20, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't really expecting much of a contribution from either one of them this season anyway,

Though a nice start in order to make them worth at least something in a trade would be nice. I think Lannan is far more reliable than Wang, and would make a better #5 starter, and well LaRoche is LaRoche, and was never very good to begin with, I’m just worried about what kind of dreck the Nats would have in the OF if they move Morse back to first.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Feb 20, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

it's just nice that the idea of DL storage is being developed, for Wang, if not La Roche...

I would suppose Morse’s LF defense is easily replaceable, with either Werth or the new kid….

and this is the year that Bernadina breaks out….without that meddling Riggler.

"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."

by cat daddy3000 on Feb 20, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Shark breaks out?

He is in “his prime” and had a wRC+ of 89 (85 career). He doesn’t get better from here, and that isn’t good.

by William.Hatheway on Feb 21, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe he bulked up too much last year, to overcompensate for the broken ankle...

so maybe this year his training and opportunity align…….it’s all I got.

"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."

by cat daddy3000 on Feb 21, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea i chuckled when I read your comments bout the Shark… I didn’t want to offend so I refrained from posting. Im pretty sure he’s not much more than a left handed J-Max.

Ian Desmond is my hero!

by Mezza on Feb 21, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure you're right, but wishing on a star to avoid the DeRosa Option.........

is what we’re left with, again.

"...I don't want to go watch American League baseball." -Lance Berkman....
I wanna watch the "... tape-measure-testing, laser-throwing, eyeblack-oozing baseball cyborg."

by cat daddy3000 on Feb 21, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmmmm.......

Now, I do not believe that the Shark will have any kind of break-out year; however, he is still younger than Morse when Morse had his break-out year….so I would not put an age in the equation, if that is what you are hinting. It is very possible that the Shark comes out and hits for .300 and has 20/20 HR/SB. Do I think that may actually happen? Absolutely not….it surely would not be a bet that I would make. Do I have wishful thinking? Absolutely….I really like the kid; but I really liked J-Max as well. And Austin Kearns. And “Thrilledge Milledge”. And Elijah Dukes. Hopefully, we will eventually find that solid OF, who can also hit, to go along with Werth and Harper (when Morse is staffing 1B).

by sullyzz on Feb 21, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

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