The Washington Nationals, Stephen Strasburg, Bryce Harper And Spring Expectations.
When the Washington Nationals sent '09 no.1 overall pick Stephen Strasburg to Double-A Harrisburg to start his first professional season, he expressed some disappointment. The then-21-year-old right-hander had finished his junior year at San Diego State University with a (13-1) record, a 1.32 ERA, 195 K's (16.1 K/9) and just 19 walks (1.5 BB/9) in 15 starts and 109.0 IP. After that he went to the Arizona Fall League, where he was (4-1) in 5 GS and 19.0 IP, giving up 15 H, 10 R, 9 ER, three HR's and seven walks while recording 23 K's (10.89 K/9). In 9.0 Spring Training innings in 2010, Strasburg allowed eight hits, two runs, two earned, two HR's and a walk while striking out 12. When he was sent to Double-A Harrisburg to start the season, he told reporters, including the Washington Post's Adam Kilgore, that he was convinced he had a chance to make the Opening Day roster.
"'There's always that thought in my head,'" Strasburg said, "'Everybody is competing for a job here. I felt like I was included, but you know, it's all good. I'm going to go down... and learn what I need to learn and be ready to be called up, hopefully soon.'" Nats' GM Mike Rizzo told MLB.com's Bill Ladson at the time, as quoted in an article entitled, "Strasburg sent to Minor League camp", that sending both '09 1st Round picks, Strasburg and Drew Storen down to Double-A was, "'... for the benefit of their development. They needed some time to refine their tremendous skills.'" The speculation then, as it is with 2010 no.1 overall pick Bryce Harper, was that the delay in Strasburg's ascent was motivated more by the sort of financial and contractual concerns that every team deals with when developing exceptional young talents.
"Strasburg’s station based on dollars, not sense", was the title of Yahoo!Sports.com's Jeff Passan went with for an April 2010 article on the topic of Super Two status. "All that’s preventing Strasburg from pitching Sunday in the big leagues, as opposed to Altoona, Pa., is a clause in baseball’s collective-bargaining agreement," Mr. Passan wrote, a clause which, "... encouraged teams to keep their most talented players in the minor leagues simply to avoid paying them more in the long run." The Indians, Reds, Giants, Rays, Cubs and Marlins faced similar decisions the Yahoo!Sports.com writer explained. Washington Post writer Dave Sheinin speculated at the time, in an article entitled, "Why the timing of Strasburg's MLB debut is so important", about how much the Nats could save by delaying the date when Strasburg would reach the majors (as much as $18M in the future he suggested), and noted the significant service time (an extra year before he reaches free agency) and contract implications the decision held for the right-hander's future in D.C.
NatsInsider.com's Mark Zuckerman explored the same concerns in 19-year-old Bryce Harper's case, noting the new rules with the changes to the CBA, in an article this winter entitled, "Could new CBA delay Harper's debut?" He further broke down, better than anyone else I've seen, the possibilities in a follow-up post entitled, "Who decides if Harper makes club?" D.C. GM Mike Rizzo told ESPN980's The Sports Reporters in a recent interview that decision on Harper is, "... certainly not contract-based, it's not service-time based. It's going to be strictly based on the performance of the player and the development of the player and those are two distinct differentials."
An 18-year-old Harper, of course, wondered last year why it was unrealistic for him to think he could have made the club coming out of his first Spring Training. "'Why can't it be realistic? Why can't I come in here and think that I can make this team? I've exceeded expectations my whole life,'" Harper said to reporters, the Washington Post's Thomas Boswell among them. Davey Johnson wants Harper on the roster, and Rizzo's said he'll keep an open mind, and Harper, of course, still thinks he's ready.
In an article by MLB.com's Bill Ladson entitled, "Harper confident he can make club this spring", the top prospect in the organization and the no.2 prospect in baseball according to MLB.com, tells the Nats beat writer, "'I really feel I have a legit shot at making the club,'":
"'I've been working my butt off this offseason, getting ready to go out there and doing outfield stuff, working on running and jumping -- everything that consists of trying to make this team. To have Davey on my side, that a very big plus going in there.'"
Told about Harper's comments last Spring, the Nats' general manager told MLB Network Radio hosts Kevin Kennedy and Mike Ferrin, "'I'd be shocked if he said something other than that.'" Harper had a .343/.410/.629 line, three doubles, two triples and a home run in nine games in the AFL in 2010. He went to Spring Training with the Nationals in 2011, where he was 7 for 18 with 3 doubles in 13 games. A .318/.423/.554 line, 17 doubles, 14 HR's and 19 stolen bases in 72 games and 305 plate appearances at Class-A Hagerstown earned him a promotion to Double-A Harrisburg. A .256/.329/.395 line, seven doubles, three home runs and seven stolen bases in 37 games and 147 plate appearances left the left-handed hitting power bat with a .297/.392/.501 line in his first pro season.
HIs second AFL stint ended with a red-hot Harper hitting .333 with a .400 OBP, .634 SLG, six doubles, two triples, six HR's, 26 RBI's, 11 walks and 22 K's in 25 games and 93 at bats. What sort of Spring will Harper have to have to earn a spot in the Opening Day outfield? Is simply being better than the other options in camp enough, or does Harper have to be dominant to avoid a trip to Syracuse or possibly Harrisburg to start the season? And more importantly, when can we start talking and asking questions about 2011 no.1 overall pick Anthony Rendon's debut?
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Heh. I think he's got the blowing kisses down......
#bench-clearing brawls, media frenzy, YouTube sensation/villain
(Rizzo must be dreading this while Davey"s drooling at the thought of it.)
"player development" should not be gladiator games. by cat daddy3000 on Aug 6, 2011
by MissB on Feb 9, 2012 12:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why not?
Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him blow some kisses at Phillies fans as he’s rounding the bases.
by monkeypuzzle on Feb 9, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
That COULD get ugly
But then again, most scenarios involving Phillies fans do.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
On Rendon
What position is he going to play?
by HarmonK on Feb 9, 2012 8:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions
3B i think
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man
by TJL on Feb 9, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
I think he'll start his career at 3B
then shift if necessary. Once he gets the aluminum out of his swing & proves himself healthy, he could end up at either 2B or 3B.
"Things are going great, and they're only gettin' better..." Timbuk3
Like Espi stayed at short til necessary...
#sorryDesihaters:)
Vivian Jaffe: "Have you ever transcended space and time?"
Albert Markovski: "Yes. No. Uh, time, not space... No, I don't know what you're talking about."
by Patrick Reddington on Feb 9, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Harper seems like a real d-bag
His twittering is showing him to be really immature
by William.Hatheway on Feb 9, 2012 10:25 AM EST reply actions
Stras was a 20 year old millionare and didn't pull that crap
by William.Hatheway on Feb 9, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Even if he is
He’s OUR D-bag, which means he’s not a D-Bag at all. Barry Bonds wasn’t/isn’t a D-Bag to Giants fans, just to everyone else.
Ross Detwiler will have a breakout year...Believe It!...and I'm serious this time!
Strasburg was 21 when he signed. A couple years as an adult makes a difference.
Besides I hardly think that Harper saying he’s a Yankees fan or Cowboys fan is outrageous. Its not like he said “Yeah, I hate the Nationals, they are a bad team” or something actually offensive like say John Rocker.
#extendZim
Two years is not what's different between them
One has humility despite insane ability, the other does not. And I really don’t care that he’s a fan of other teams, but why the hell choose, unprodded, to tweet that you love “your” city’s biggest rival? And the fact that all those favorites aren’t due to loyalty but because he got on their bandwagon when they were the best in their sport. And blowing kisses. And talking about how wild he’ll be on the town. And war paint. Get off yourself, man, is all I’m saying…
by William.Hatheway on Feb 9, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
One is quiet and one is not
I guess it’s a matter of preconceptions, but in all honesty I have NEVER read or heard something about him that makes me think he’s not just an outspoken guy with a good sense of humor and a big ego. I know lots of folks like that and they are all really likable people, though I suppose they all have their detractors. Some folks may be predisposed to dislike that behavior and as such will see each of these actions as confirmation of their beliefs.
Like it or not, I think there’s a very strong likelihood that Harper will soon be the new face of the franchise.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
Correct, I am predisposed
though i don’t think I like what phrasing it as “confirming beliefs” implies about me. I will say, and say no more on this, that the general conception outside Nats World is that he is a jerk, so it ain’t just me. But whatever, I’m wrong again.
by William.Hatheway on Feb 9, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Please don't do that.
We are discussing OPINIONS. There are no “right and wrong”s here.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
Isn’t the Cowboys stuff because of his dad? Not to mention there’s likely to be an uncomfortably high amount of Cowboys/Nats crossover fandom in this area.
I don't know, but I don't think his dad is connected to the Lakers, Yankees, or Duke
by William.Hatheway on Feb 9, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
one of the reasons
(it’s been speculated) why he’s been brought along as “slowly” as he has. Immaturity is usually curable, given time, and without even the benefit of a telethon.
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
I've never seen any quote of his that I would consider offensive
He lacks tact, but that doesn’t make him a “d-bag”.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
by RobBobS on Feb 9, 2012 10:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just meant off-putting
like making a point of how much of a Cowboy’s fan he is, and that in fact all his favorites are because they were frontrunners during his youth (Lakers, Yanks, Duke); also, that he intends to totally play the field in DC clubs, etc.
by William.Hatheway on Feb 9, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't bother me even one tiny little bit
that he roots for the teams he’s always rooted for. I would find it much worse if he affected a phony love for the Redskins.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
by RobBobS on Feb 9, 2012 2:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He wasn't asked
he made it a point to let the world know, via twitter. That is provoking, not endearing honesty. And look above for more reasons I just don’t love the guy (I hardly said he was evil, and the expression I used was meant to be just that, an expression, but apparently it was stronger than i meant). But, like I said, many other reasons he is clearly full of himself and doesn’t show that he’ll be a good clubhouse guy, which whatever, no one here would think that because my god, he’s “one of us”. You can respect someone’s ability, even root for them, but you don’t have to think that they seem like people you’d want to hang with.
by William.Hatheway on Feb 9, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think he'll be do just fine in the clubhouse
Jayson Werth comes off as a jerk to me, and others I’ve spoken to who have had encounters with him off the field say essentially the same thing. Meanwhile, his teammates seem to love him and very much appreciate his attitude both on the field and in the clubhouse. I completely expect that Harper will be the same way, because that’s the gist of the reports I’ve ever read about him.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
Werth is confident
but not egotistical. And other stuff. But again, I’ll post no more on this.
by William.Hatheway on Feb 9, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
I agree and disagree. I’ve seen that he loves to retweet everything about him that makes him look good, I guess thats ok but I don’t usually like self promotion. But when he wants to answer any questions that his followers ask, the answers are seemingly truthful and sincere. So I just think he’s got a little bit of growing up still but nothing to be worried about.
by RossingtonCollins on Feb 9, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
That's interesting...
He speaks so well of you.
by Mr.InBetween on Feb 9, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Give him a shot
Bring him up if he’s going to improve the club and if it won’t hurt him in the long run — regardless of contract issues. Make the Nats a winner and those contract questions will resolve themselves.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
by RobBobS on Feb 9, 2012 10:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Bring him up mid-year if he's still performing at higher minor league levels
Let him mature, AA and AAA will be good for him
Let him dominate each of those levels to show he’s ready
He’s going to probably struggle early if he starts early in the majors
Let him come up once he’s been rolling in the minors – increased likelihood of high performance when he does come up
This certainly seems to be the conventional wisdom
I can see that treating him like you would any other prospect would make some sense. He can surely benefit from some additional humility (we ALL could). Thing is though, he’s not like any other prospect. He could very well THRIVE by advancing quickly and getting thrown among the big dogs. He might struggle at first (even beyond his “traditional” 10-14 transition period) but the time spent facing the best competition could make him better later in the year and for the rest of his career.
Perhaps.
Thing is though, if Rizzo fully intends to send him down, I think it would be wise to tell Harper that he fully intends to send him down. Suppose your boss tells you that you could get the big promotion if you worked very hard on your current project and if you succeeded beyond expectations. Suppose you did exactly that, but reneged in a manner that makes it clear he was lying all the time. How would you feel? …. Yeah, that would bother me a lot.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
Law's top 100 are out.
It shows why he thinks depth is an issue. He isn’t very high on the remaining farm system of the Nats, though he likes Harper/Rendon (2 and 17) and defines Meyers as a just missed the cut, so 100-110, or somewhere. Likes him as a starter.
Names also mentioned, AJ Cole 33, and Norris 93.
You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
Would’ve been a bit different if they didn’t trade for Gio obviously.
by RossingtonCollins on Feb 9, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Harper.........
Can’t wait till he’s a complete failure and we get him out of this city…………
Get used to disappointment.
Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
What if harper tweeted like lomo
Everyone needs to let harper be himself
by Rob"t.plush"Bowden on Feb 9, 2012 6:51 PM EST reply actions
LEAVE BRITNEY HARPER ALONE!
Besides, the media loves to dump on loudmouth wonderkids like Harper, anyway. None of us really know what the guy is like.
HAR HAR HAR!!!

Rob
--"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." -- Mal Reynolds
I'm feeling much better!
Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, ... wait, ... no, ... never mind"
I want to go for a walk!
Aim for the head baby Jesus
by Doncosmic on Feb 9, 2012 11:43 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Harper is a jerk, Harper is a good kid, Harper is ... Harper
There are people who "know" that Harper is an arrogant, cocky, selfish jerk who alienates people around him and is a bad teammate. There are also people who "know" that he is a smart kid, got excellent grades in school, comes from a solid religious family, is polite, his teammates speak highly of him, is a gym rat and simply loves the game of baseball and loves to play it hard.
What I know is that he’s an 19 who lives with a spotlight on him at an age when very few of us would hold up in a spotlight. That spotlight is bright enough that it will illuminate something to reinforce just about anyone’s preconceived narrative about who Harper is – confirmation bias is a powerful thing. I know that he’s pretty good at baseball, and I’m willing to pay money to see him play on the Nationals. And I’m not foolish enough to think I know who this kid is because someone tells me who they think he is. I do know that he seems to be good at this thing called baseball, and that I’m interested in getting a chance to watch him play baseball first hand.
by d_c_guy on Feb 9, 2012 10:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Right
We all know a guy like Strasburg… confident, keeps his mouth shut, knows how to behave, and he’s our friend. We all know a guy like Harper… confident, shoots his mouth off, no inhibition, and he’s our friend too.
The difference between these guys and our friends, as d_c_guy alludes, is that these guys are REALLY fun to watch playing baseball. If you want to call them out — off the field — for being this or that, well, meh. If you want to say they have to be better than my friends — off the field — because they’re role models, meh.
I’ll watch ’em play ball.

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