Back in 2013, while he was still a coach in the Arizona Diamondbacks' organization, Matt Williams, who wanted to get into managing, asked an old friend, Washington Nationals' GM Mike Rizzo, how best to get some experience.
After he was hired as the Nats' manager, Williams recounted a conversation he had with Rizzo about what he could do.
"I had spoken to [Rizzo] a couple years ago about my desire to manage at some point, and asked him as a friend what I should do," Williams explained in an MLB Network Radio interview that winter, "so he mentioned to me that I should get as much experience as I can in doing that.
So, I couldn't do it at the big league level so I tried to do it at the [Arizona] Fall League last year and then he called me after the season when they were looking at potential managers and said, 'I'd like to talk some baseball with you and bring you in and talk to the Lerner family and see what may be there.' So I said, 'Great.' And he called for permission from the Diamondbacks and I came in and talked a little while."
Rizzo, in an interview with 106.7 the FAN in D.C.'s Holden Kushner and Danny Rouhier after Williams was hired, was asked what he took out of the time Williams spent in the AFL.
"I took out of it that it was managerial experience," Rizzo said.
"He ran the ballclub. He made the moves. He controlled the bullpen and made the Xs and Os that a manager has to make. He also had a stint in Double-A filling in for Brett Butler [in 2007] for several months at the Double-A level. Like I said, there [are] a lot different roads to the manager's seat in the big leagues."
Williams apparently had an inkling that Rizzo was interested before Davey Johnson was relieved of his duties on the Nationals' bench.
According to what Dusty Baker said during a recent interview on 106.7 the FAN in D.C., Williams told him late in the 2013 campaign that he thought he had a chance to get the job.
"Matt had come into my office in Cincinnati, late in the year [in 2013] and said, 'Hey, I might have a chance to go to the Washington Nationals,;" Baker explained.
"So we talked a couple of times over the winter and well, I lost my job first and then this job was open. Detroit was open. Seattle was open. So I called -- not me -- my agent called and I told them, 'I'm not going to cut Matt out of the job, because that's my boy,' but I did want to show people that I wasn't retired."
"I really didn't want the job," Baker said during his introductory press conference in the nation's capital earlier this month, after he was hired to replace Williams on the Nationals' bench, "but I wanted to let people know that I was still interested in being in baseball.
"The reason I didn't want the job is because Matt Williams had already talked to me about different things and Matt was one of my prized pupils when I was a batting coach and the manager.
"I was glad that they didn't offer me the job because I didn't want to cut Matt out. The main reason I contacted the Nationals was just to show people that I was not retired."
Two years later, Baker was still not retired and he was interested when the Nationals reached out...
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